It’s cowardice, she’s careful to lean on I think when we can all read Atwood’s words for ourselves.
― mardheamac (gyac), Saturday, 19 February 2022 17:10 (two years ago) link
yes that coda is especially pathetic
― oscar bravo, Saturday, 19 February 2022 17:54 (two years ago) link
If the Guardian goes under all its worst writers will be fine.
Guess she really misses having that column. pic.twitter.com/QD5Bevargs— Elvis Buñuelo (@Mr_Considerate) February 21, 2022
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 21 February 2022 10:04 (two years ago) link
Women can no longer afford to sit out the gender wars...they must come to the aid of their natural allies in the religious right.
― Daniel_Rf, Monday, 21 February 2022 10:13 (two years ago) link
I often think about a certain generation of middle class British feminists that they take things for granted that Irish ones don’t. We are more aware in a practical sense of the involvement of the religious right in regressive causes because that’s who has been funding anti choice/anti lgbt causes at home. But what have British feminists had to fight on that scale recently? To me it shows the danger of being complacent about progress; you have to keep on fighting because the fascists don’t ever take a day off. But what’s Hadley’s excuse, she’s American!
― mardheamac (gyac), Monday, 21 February 2022 10:50 (two years ago) link
Grew up here though I think? OTM though.
― Blu Ray Davies (Tom D.), Monday, 21 February 2022 10:56 (two years ago) link
You are, that is, not her.
she's lived here long become infected with a very British disease
― calzino, Monday, 21 February 2022 11:04 (two years ago) link
enough
Which isn’t to say we don’t have our own gobshites because do we ever!
When we founded the Irish Women’s Liberation Movement,although we were radical young women, we reached out inclusively to women with all views. How sad to see the National Women’s Council of Ireland excludes so many. See Breda O’Brien in today’s Irish Times— Mary Kenny (@MaryKenny4) February 19, 2022
― mardheamac (gyac), Monday, 21 February 2022 11:16 (two years ago) link
Funny -- I was literally thinking of Mary Kenny after reading those posts. :D
HF supports the political Right (she campaigned against socialism in the UK), so it makes sense for her to be unconcerned about "the involvement of the religious right in regressive causes". That's literally her own position.
― the pinefox, Monday, 21 February 2022 11:18 (two years ago) link
A lot of the middle-class columnists weren’t ever actually “fighting” in any active sense of making a difference. They were grounded in complacency (not just middle class feminist columnists but Left aligned guardian columnists in general).
― Luna Schlosser, Monday, 21 February 2022 11:32 (two years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMHAtXJWQAAYguW?format=jpg&name=medium
the bigot getting boosted by the award winning investigative journalist, lol. Media class solidarity.
― calzino, Monday, 21 February 2022 13:40 (two years ago) link
Gentleman met Jo Johnson, former MP for Orpington while at Oxford University in 1991. They married in 2005 and live in Camden. The couple have two children.
― the pinefox, Monday, 21 February 2022 13:42 (two years ago) link
even when she was garnering lots of praise for her coverage of the Windrush scandal I always assumed she was an arsehole!
― calzino, Monday, 21 February 2022 13:45 (two years ago) link
I wonder what they think is interesting about it. Guess we'll never know.
― nashwan, Monday, 21 February 2022 14:00 (two years ago) link
I'm not at all familiar with UnHerd, but this is on it !
https://unherd.com/2022/02/why-the-nineties-rocked/
WHY THE NINETIES ROCKED !
― the pinefox, Monday, 21 February 2022 14:10 (two years ago) link
very interesting piece
― calzino, Monday, 21 February 2022 14:14 (two years ago) link
Hadley's in full echo-chamber mode:
Yet I know a lot of non-Right-wing, non-bigots who are extremely angry at how things have shifted. My friendship group consists mainly of thirty-something to fifty-something progressive women, all, like me, lifelong Labour, or Liberal Democrat, or Green voters, all teachers, or civil servants, or writers, or lawyers. Most are not on Twitter, or TikTok, or any Mumsnet message boards. But when we meet up these days, they talk about Lia Thomas, the Ivy League swimmer who recently transitioned and is allowed to compete against female swimmers and is duly smashing women’s swimming records.
ie "Everyone one I know thinks the same as me and we're not extremists..Why can't everyone see we're just being reasonable?" rhetoric
― Luna Schlosser, Monday, 21 February 2022 14:21 (two years ago) link
interesting only in that it shows who she thinks is impervious to bigotry, tho to be frank we knew that already
― Daniel_Rf, Monday, 21 February 2022 14:25 (two years ago) link
Imagine being friends with a Liberal Democrat voter.
― Blu Ray Davies (Tom D.), Monday, 21 February 2022 14:28 (two years ago) link
Well I would fall into that age group and I have never heard of Lia Thomas, nor does the case concern me much when you look at the problems faced by women’s sport (underfunding, lack of broadcast coverage for a lot of them, etc). It’s great to know that women’s sport, like so many other things, only exists to some people if they have an opportunity to go on about trans people.
― mardheamac (gyac), Monday, 21 February 2022 14:34 (two years ago) link
Ofc they’re always lifelong Labour voters
― mardheamac (gyac), Monday, 21 February 2022 14:35 (two years ago) link
Must be nice for all those progressive women to spend more time thinking about Lia Thomas than Ashling Murphy.
― mardheamac (gyac), Monday, 21 February 2022 14:36 (two years ago) link
Yes.
"when we meet up these days, they talk about ..."
Fine, they talk about that one person. That's up to them. But don't they talk about anything else?
There are quite a lot of important and indeed dangerous things going on that one might talk about!
― the pinefox, Monday, 21 February 2022 15:18 (two years ago) link
They must meet up pretty often given how recent the Thomas story is. Or maybe they're not on Twitter, TikTok (is TikTok especially transphobic?), or Mumsnet because they spend all day consuming american right-wing media like so many other non-right-wing non-bigots do
― rob, Monday, 21 February 2022 15:30 (two years ago) link
Yet I know a lot of non-Right-wing, non-bigots
Some of my best friends are not right wing bigots!
― nashwan, Monday, 21 February 2022 15:45 (two years ago) link
I like to talk sports with my friends too
― very interesting piece by (Bananaman Begins), Monday, 21 February 2022 15:51 (two years ago) link
interesting only in that it shows who she thinks is impervious to bigotry
Daniel is extremely otm about this
all teachers, or civil servants, or writers, or lawyers
such a shameful, screaming tell
― I have a voulez-vous? with death (Noodle Vague), Monday, 21 February 2022 15:52 (two years ago) link
Yes, class hatred screams out from everything these people do
― Blu Ray Davies (Tom D.), Monday, 21 February 2022 15:56 (two years ago) link
if you want to picture the working class experience of working in a bureaucracy, Hadley's absolutely covered it
― I have a voulez-vous? with death (Noodle Vague), Monday, 21 February 2022 15:56 (two years ago) link
hatred but plastered over with squeamish distaste and patronage
― I have a voulez-vous? with death (Noodle Vague), Monday, 21 February 2022 15:57 (two years ago) link
"But when we meet up these days, they talk about Lia Thomas, the Ivy League swimmer who recently transitioned and is allowed to compete against female swimmers and is duly smashing women’s swimming records."
That's not even true. A basic search on twitter tells you that.
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 21 February 2022 16:05 (two years ago) link
Didn't know all her friends were swimming nerds.
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 21 February 2022 16:06 (two years ago) link
truly, what is to stop men across the ivy league from putting on one-piece suits and competing in these women's events?? apart from the current rules requiring documentation of three years of hormone suppressants, i mean
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 21 February 2022 17:01 (two years ago) link
does unherd pay well?
― plax (ico), Monday, 21 February 2022 17:10 (two years ago) link
or all of these culture war mills. the critic?
dork satanic mills
― imago, Monday, 21 February 2022 17:11 (two years ago) link
unherd apparently pays really well.
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 21 February 2022 17:15 (two years ago) link
ooh! 'Tankies Have Taken Over My Webforum' has a nice ring to it
― imago, Monday, 21 February 2022 17:21 (two years ago) link
it really is astonishing to me the unresearched, fatuous bigotry that people who call themselves journalists feel okay putting their names to, but i don't know why, it's as old as the hills really
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 21 February 2022 17:21 (two years ago) link
hangon is this the same wan whose friends all abandoned her for this same reason? she doesn't include an explanation of how they all came around to transphobia and are now totally with her. what an eejit.
― plax (ico), Monday, 21 February 2022 19:16 (two years ago) link
― imago, Monday, 21 February 2022 bookmarkflaglink
You should pitch.
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 21 February 2022 22:42 (two years ago) link
per an article from last year, she lost "at least a dozen" friends over being a transphobe & didn't at all understand why being an obsessive bigot was a friendship dealbreaker so my guess is by now the only ones left are those who completely agree with her, as that article suggests
― ufo, Monday, 21 February 2022 23:26 (two years ago) link
yeah funny how that works
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 21 February 2022 23:50 (two years ago) link
Adrian Chiles' latest is even better in context pic.twitter.com/s7JLqNPuCA— future canon (@futurecanon) February 24, 2022
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 25 February 2022 10:15 (two years ago) link
Now more than ever this is the Guardian content we deserve
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2022/feb/25/you-be-the-judge-is-it-ok-for-my-boyfriend-to-keep-butter-in-the-cupboard
― Piedie Gimbel, Friday, 25 February 2022 12:29 (two years ago) link
ah fuck jury duty again?
― Daniel_Rf, Friday, 25 February 2022 12:30 (two years ago) link
Some people asking why no Chelsea in this article. Why do you think? It’s not for a lack of will believe me https://t.co/nXfCcsti7b— Barney Ronay (@barneyronay) February 26, 2022
im not in any way invested in the guardian as a bastion of anything, nor even a facsimile of a bastion that is the closest thing you might hope for in this world, but this is a shocker
― Ár an broc a mhic (darraghmac), Saturday, 26 February 2022 10:35 (two years ago) link
Because - he's saying it's been censored?
― the pinefox, Saturday, 26 February 2022 20:29 (two years ago) link