For my current Twin Peaks rewatch, I’m starting with just the episodes of the original series directed by Lynch (which feels like an interesting way to get the heart of things). The first episode of S2 is so damn good… I think it rivals the pilot in terms of quality.
― Hops: Mosaic, Citra, Simcoe (morrisp), Wednesday, 27 April 2022 05:58 (two years ago) link
The Straight Story was his best-reviewed film since Blue Velvet fwiw.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 27 April 2022 09:30 (two years ago) link
I would sure hope so!
― Hops: Mosaic, Citra, Simcoe (morrisp), Wednesday, 27 April 2022 14:57 (two years ago) link
(I mean, I've done a 180 on FWWM, but it took years and some commitment... I'd like to revisit the other two at some point)
― Hops: Mosaic, Citra, Simcoe (morrisp), Wednesday, 27 April 2022 14:59 (two years ago) link
Lynch's reputation for most of the '90s was basically ...
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― Max Hamburgers (Eric H.), Wednesday, 27 April 2022 15:02 (two years ago) link
I just started watching all of Northern Exposure, and there was a pleasant little Twin Peaks nod in Season 2 which I wasn't aware of. Made me smile anyway
― Ste, Wednesday, 27 April 2022 15:25 (two years ago) link
erm season 1
― Ste, Wednesday, 27 April 2022 15:26 (two years ago) link
Back to the ruminations on evil: watching Blue Velvet with students two months ago, I noted how Sandy's dad seems implicated in the corruption. We only know thanks to stricken reaction shots and his insistence on Jeffrey's not telling Sandy about what he learned, but I appreciated Lynch wasn't heavyhanded about it.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 27 April 2022 15:27 (two years ago) link
And the 90s coincides with his most determined efforts to work within the system as it was at the time. Making TV shows, or trying to, being an A-list name even if everyone thought he was a super weirdo. The ultimate failure of all of that was when ABC killed Mulholland Drive as a TV series, which from this perspective feels like a great liberation for him.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 27 April 2022 15:28 (two years ago) link
xp
I don't think he's implicated in it, I think it's more like he knows his partner is crooked, which on the one hand fucks him up, but on the other hand he has to tread very carefully if he wants to see justice served
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Wednesday, 27 April 2022 15:46 (two years ago) link
where are you watching Northern Exposure? I heard it wasn't streaming due to music rights like lots of other shows. Yes it started as kind of a ripoff on the innocuous and quirky side of Twin Peaks; I enjoyed it up to a point.
― akm, Wednesday, 27 April 2022 17:09 (two years ago) link
Yeah I thought Sandy's dad was investigating his partner, not that he was in cahoots with him.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 27 April 2022 17:21 (two years ago) link
xp akm, I bought the dvd box set
― Ste, Thursday, 28 April 2022 11:46 (two years ago) link
he had a beard last year!? scroll down to 6/1/2021 here while being impressed by the list: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=videos
― StanM, Wednesday, 4 May 2022 16:27 (two years ago) link
ok then youtube . com/c/DAVIDLYNCHTHEATER/videos
I'm on to the final two eps in the Return, which I've saved for some Friday night viewing. So far the re-watch has been totally worth it, had dreads that it wouldn't be as good second time round thankfully proved wrong. I'm still trying to figure out what the fuck that vomiting girl in the car with screaming mad woman was all about. i love you david.
― Ste, Friday, 6 May 2022 15:29 (two years ago) link
They were very late iirc
― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 6 May 2022 15:30 (two years ago) link
lol
― Ste, Friday, 6 May 2022 15:34 (two years ago) link
They had miles to go.
― Max Hamburgers (Eric H.), Friday, 6 May 2022 16:54 (two years ago) link
watched Eraserhead again, can see it was the genesis of his obsession with zigzag-patterned floors and curtains
― Dan S, Monday, 23 May 2022 00:49 (two years ago) link
it was an interesting experimental film, I still don't love it though
― Dan S, Monday, 23 May 2022 00:59 (two years ago) link
I think the films he made after that brought the viewer in more, bit by bit.
I want to rewatch The Elephant Man
― Dan S, Monday, 23 May 2022 01:19 (two years ago) link
I’ve actually never seen The Elephant Man, need to rectify that.
― Bob Dylan's iconic Ray Ban sunglasses (morrisp), Monday, 23 May 2022 01:36 (two years ago) link
It’s very good. Sorta like The Straight story in that it is remembered as one of his more mainstream movies but it’s chock full of Lynch nuggets.
― Cow_Art, Monday, 23 May 2022 02:16 (two years ago) link
also his saddest film by a mile
― assert (matttkkkk), Monday, 23 May 2022 02:44 (two years ago) link
It has an amazing ending.
― circa1916, Monday, 23 May 2022 02:49 (two years ago) link
Remember watching it with my roommate years ago and we were both trying not to blubber.
― circa1916, Monday, 23 May 2022 02:52 (two years ago) link
My brain has wanted to think about Twin Peaks lately, but I don’t have the time/patience for podcasts (so not sure how to really scratch the itch). I’ve been doing a sort-of TP rewatch by watching just the episodes that Lynch directed himself, followed by FWWM/Missing Pieces (and I guess eventually The Return again, it’s been a year or so since I first rewatched it).
― Disarm u with a SMiLE (morrisp), Sunday, 7 August 2022 03:08 (two years ago) link
The Diary of Laura Palmer is probably the best off-the-screen TP work and it works as a Twin Peaks object. The audiobook is supposedly excellent but I don’t know if I can do it.
― Cow_Art, Sunday, 7 August 2022 04:47 (two years ago) link
I just finished a rewatch of OG Twin Peaks - trying to work up the courage to do Fire Walk With Me. Have never seen The Missing Pieces and I guess I may as well?
Don’t know when I’ll redo The Return - the first time through was one of the absolute greatest screen experiences of my life and I’m kind of afeared that it might lose some of its power the second time round.
Would definitely want to do it on Blu-ray with a decent sound system tho. Watching it on streaming I did get a bit annoyed by compression artefacts in the dark parts of the screen. Want my TP blackest ever black pls.
― the life of a rebo band is always intense (emsworth), Sunday, 7 August 2022 05:01 (two years ago) link
The Missing Pieces are really interesting and feel (to me) like integral, if less essential, parts of the story. I understand why none of them were in the final cut; though there are a few that I could make an argument for including.
― Disarm u with a SMiLE (morrisp), Sunday, 7 August 2022 06:10 (two years ago) link
Re FWWM, Missing Pieces, and courage: there's a fan edit out there that combines the two pretty well, making the movie a bit easier to take.I'm slowly rewatching for the first time, and for some reason started with my first watch of the actual movie. I'm into the Return now and decided to leave the famous episode 8 until I'm done the rest. See what I can see in it after Cooper biffs it.My favourite fan content is our own Simon's The Lodgers podcast and this guy's videos which I'll probably watch again later. Haven't checked out the diary yet. Is the "Diane.." Cooper tapes book or audiobook worthwhile too? I have listened to the two Mark Frost books which are pretty fun, and further the lore a bit and wrap up some minor storylines. But I feel like they'd be out the window if Lynch decided to make anything else.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Sunday, 7 August 2022 10:58 (two years ago) link
emsworth: I'm enjoying The Return the second time through. Not looking at everything as a potential "clue" and just letting it wash over, it's different and good.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Sunday, 7 August 2022 11:02 (two years ago) link
The diary is an essential companion piece to the series and especially the film, & if the latter had never been made would take its place as the most sustained/focused look at the real horror behind the murder mystery & kind of a justification of the whole enterprise for me? It’s not that the incest & abuse would be absent from the series otherwise — it’s kind of everywhere, but diffused in the town & its secrets, the world & its spinning, all the cycles and splits and breakages — but without these two extended bits from Laura’s perspective I think so much essence is lost from the story (The story goes that Jennifer Lynch wrote it in like 3 weeks, then lost the manuscript and *rewrote* it in like 3 days, there’s def a rawness)fwwm is such a punctum/eye of the duck for me, I should prob watch that fan edit one day but I just hate the idea of putting the missing pieces back in and diluting the film (tho of course I understand why you might need to make it “easier to take” considering the subject); also just on a formal level the editing style of tmp is so different, much closer to the return (it was the last thing in my mini-rewatch just before tptr dropped and it really primed me for the feel of those first parts). A big part of fwwm’s power is that it feels sort of apart from the series, the idea of the edit feels a bit like a fan tried to “improve” part 8 by cutting away to Lucy & Andy during the nuclear explosion
― Wiggum Dorma (wins), Sunday, 7 August 2022 14:02 (two years ago) link
haha I don't think there is anything like that. Just full scenes arranged in whatever best order they could work out. Though I've only seen each once (the edit, then eventually the movie and the Missing Pieces), I noticed that the Philip Jeffries section was really diminished by going on longer. That really unexpectedly hit me in the movie as something terrifying.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Sunday, 7 August 2022 14:11 (two years ago) link
I wonder if its seeing the film first but i just think that once youre past the prologue *anything* else just feels like pulling focus in an unfortunate way (and i love all those scenese, ed & nadine in the car is all time)
I think the compressed Jeffries scene is ideal for the film but I love the extended convenience store sequence with all the animal chattering - the worst bit of lynch/engels humour is around here tho & makes me feel weird about being the guy who's like "twin peaks fire walk with me is a masterpiece, one of the most radically empathetic works of fiction, and its supplementary film the missing pieces is an essential primer for the sequel series that manages to define the current era better than almost anything produced since. Nowhere is this more apparent than when the Buenos Aires bellhop says 'mr jeffries de shit it come out of my ass!' I'm smart"
― Wiggum Dorma (wins), Sunday, 7 August 2022 14:52 (two years ago) link
The autobiography of Dale Cooper is pretty good and had a few genuine lol bits. It feels very true to the character. Not essential like the diary, but much more enjoyable than the Frost books. The Diane tapes are a different thing, and to make knowledge are only available on out of print cassette. It’s good but it has some continuity problems and isn’t worth spending $$$ for a tape.
The access guide to the town is very good and pretty funny.
― Cow_Art, Sunday, 7 August 2022 15:00 (two years ago) link
xps the diane tapes are fluff along the lines of maclachlan hosting SNL, worth hearing once. The autobiography (which is a completely separate thing, confusingly) is entertaining enough & really funny in places, it's a piece of the version of twin peaks where windom earle matters
In terms of semi canonical twin peaks tie in media I'd say diary > tmp > palmer family interview > log lady intros > secret history > autobiography >>>>>>>>>>>>> diane >>>> final dossier
xp!
― Wiggum Dorma (wins), Sunday, 7 August 2022 15:07 (two years ago) link
Never came across a copy of the access guide
― Wiggum Dorma (wins), Sunday, 7 August 2022 15:08 (two years ago) link
The Diane tapes are a different thing, and to make knowledge are only available on out of print cassette. It’s good but it has some continuity problems and isn’t worth spending $$$ for a tape.
― Alba, Sunday, 7 August 2022 15:08 (two years ago) link
should be piratable too, def don't buy it
I'm thinking I should bump up the palmer interview in that ranking
― Wiggum Dorma (wins), Sunday, 7 August 2022 15:14 (two years ago) link
lol I did not realize "My Life, My Tapes" was a different thing from "Diane ..", the book of supposed tapes. Thanks, will enjoy.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Sunday, 7 August 2022 15:48 (two years ago) link
"Re FWWM, Missing Pieces, and courage: there's a fan edit out there that combines the two pretty well, making the movie a bit easier to take."
yeah i would rarely make a case for something like this, but I recommend watching both FWWM and this fan edit; it makes the best use of those removed scenes and includes everything you'd care about from them. It's very well done.
― akm, Sunday, 7 August 2022 16:07 (two years ago) link
Just full scenes arranged in whatever best order they could work out. aiui the order is almost entirely taken from the shooting script?
― Vance Vance Devolution (sic), Sunday, 7 August 2022 16:16 (two years ago) link
Think so yeah
― Wiggum Dorma (wins), Sunday, 7 August 2022 16:23 (two years ago) link
I only read My Life, My Tapes once but it made an impression on me. There was cool stuff in there, the amputated hands holding chess pieces or black and white squares? something like that.
― akm, Sunday, 7 August 2022 16:38 (two years ago) link
Compressed Jeffries vs. complete Jeffries is interesting... I agree the way it's all edited in the film is much more creepy and unsettling, though it's probably pretty confusing for someone who doesn't know the lore; the complete scenes spell everything out more (same with the extended "meeting" above the convenience store, and the other bits with those characters).
That said, I guess the extra Jeffries scenes are the Missing Pieces whose canonicity is debatable, as his references to "Miss Judy" and "Judy's place in Seattle" conflict w/the later retcon (though maybe you could get a No-Prize by suggesting that he's speaking in code or something).
― Disarm u with a SMiLE (morrisp), Sunday, 7 August 2022 16:58 (two years ago) link
FWIW, the two extra scenes that I could see inserting into the film are Laura & Donna driving from the Roadhouse to the Canadian bar with the two guys (I think the transition btw. those two settings is confusing in the movie); and the "I'm the muffin / You're the muffin" scene in Donna's living room (not just b/c it's a really nice scene, but also because bits of the dialogue become important later - especially something Donna's dad says).
― Disarm u with a SMiLE (morrisp), Sunday, 7 August 2022 17:02 (two years ago) link
If I made a fan edit, I might also drop the scene where Cooper predicts the specifics of the next murder to Albert, describes what the next victim is doing right now, etc. That exchange feels a little too "extra" to me (Cooper's intuitive and has interesting dreams, but he's not a psychic!).
― Disarm u with a SMiLE (morrisp), Sunday, 7 August 2022 17:04 (two years ago) link
I think he pretty much is a psychic as far as it goes tbh - “the log lady will be here in one minute” The missing piece I might put in is the other Palmer dinner, as a contrast to the “wash your hands” scene, they’re genuinely happy but there’s something unnerving and desperate about it
― Wiggum Dorma (wins), Sunday, 7 August 2022 18:21 (two years ago) link