Last (x) movies you saw (II)

Completely on a tangent, there's a new film out called The Emigrants, based on a book by a chap called Vilhelm Moberg. It seems to have been shot a while back and held back for release post-COVID. The film is about a bunch of people from Sweden who moved to the United States in the 1800s. However the book was filmed before, in the early 1970s, with Max Von Sydow and Liv Ullmann, whose name is two-two, like accommodate and millennium, but unlike Philippines which is one-two. And there was a sequel, The New Land.

Are they any good? The first film looks uncannily as if it was a 2010s indie film project shot on expired 35mm film stock:
https://www.blu-ray.com/The-Emigrants/317961/#Screenshots

One the one hand they get good reviews but on the other hand I have to admit I haven't heard of either of them, and yet they look wonderful and were nominated for awards etc.

Viz:
https://seeingthingssecondhand.files.wordpress.com/2017/10/screenshot-1318.png
https://images.static-bluray.com/reviews/13169_5_large.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EV5rfdnXYAI0Qyk?format=jpg&name=large
https://images.static-bluray.com/reviews/13169_14_large.jpg

the new land is exceptional, i rewatched it recently

Thor, Love & Thunder
finally got to see this. It was a cam but a pretty good one. Thought it might even not be until I saw somebody's head a couple fo minutes in.
Then at the end you see fully in focus backs blocking the credits.
Sound was good for the most part but it did get Spanish subtitles for some of the books and things.
Anyway thought it was fun and should have copped on who teh director was before the end credits. Don't think I read much about it before seeing it.
Funny subtheme about jealousy between warhammers etc since Mjolnir got broken up in an earlier film and was a relic in this until Jane Foster turned up and reunited it which I assume is already known by most. Other subtheme is what she does after that. Not sure what access is to or from Valhalla , has been a very long time since I read the comic
Did thoroughly enjoy it so hope there's more.

Passing Rebecca Hall 2021
Beautiful film about race at the time of teh Harlem Renaissance. Very atmospheric, nice b+w cinematography and some very good acting.
Took me a moment to realise i was watching Tess Thompson again in a very different role to last night. She seems pretty versatile on the strength of this
Think I had the file for this for a while before watching it. Think I may have the book somewhere too. So think I may need to read it too.
I was wondering to what extent Thompson would be passing in the light of this, but she looks like she might be seen to be Spanish or something from seeing her in a colour film. Not sure if that would work at the time it is set. But the film is beautiful.
Ruth Negga is pretty good too

I just watched Don't Let the Riverbeast Get You! starring Matt Farley of A message to the Spotify musician The Passionate & Objective Jokerfan (aka Matt Farley) fame. It's deranged in a pretty delightful way, I might be a convert to his movie universe.

Get That Venus (Varney, 1933)
Fat Wives for Thin (Sennett, 1930)
Dance Hall Marge (Sennett & Lord, 1931)
The Sap From Syracuse (Sutherland, 1930)
Dangerous Curves (Mendes, 1929)
When the Clouds Roll By (Fleming, 1919)
Nope (Peele, 2022)
The Devil's Rain (Fuest, 1975)
*The White Shadow (Cutts, 1924)
The Dark Mirror (Siodmak, 1946)

The Breadcrumb Trail 2014 Lance Bangs
the Slint band history.
Couldn't get this to play on my tv through memory stick a few weeks back so thought I'd stick it on as I chopped dinner today.
Good doc, makes me want to pick up a new copy of the cd . Don't remember seeing my copy in a long time.
Cd as I recall had nothing written on it so it looked similar on both sides. Teeth fell out of jewel case so it would probably need to be replaced even if I did find it. Definitely had a copy when I was i Dublin anyway.
Do think the guy who I saw playing tambourine with Royal Trux in the late 90s did look a lot like Britt Walford with bleached hair.

Elvis (6.0)
Caddyshack (5.0)
Thief (6.5)
Brian Eno: 1971-1977 - The Man Who Fell to Earth (6.5)
The Sopranos (S1-S7 – 9.0)
Smash His Camera (6.5)
Garry Winogrand: All Things are Photographable (7.5)
Year of the Dragon (5.5)
Dark Waters (6.5)
The People vs. Larry Flynt (5.5)

Memories (1995) 3/5
Gentlemen Prefer Blondes (1953) 4/5
Nope (2022) 4/5
Drunken Angel (1948) 4/5
RRR (2022) 4/5
* Robocop (1987) 5/5
Both Sides of the Blade (2022) 3.5/5

Bonus series:
Irma Vep (2022) 4/5. I was very skeptical about Assayas revisiting this material but it feels very contemporary and lively. A fun watch on summer evenings.

The Shallows (Collet-Sera 2016) 2.5/5
Out of the Past (Tourneur 1947) 5/5
Palm Springs (Barbakow 2020) 3/5
Looking for Richard (Pacino 1996) 3/5
Notorious (Hitchcock 1946) 5/5
His Girl Friday (Hawks 1940) 4.5/5
Do the Right Thing (Lee 1989) 5/5
The Friends of Eddie Coyle (Yates 1973) 4/5
Monsters (Edwards 2010) 4/5
Sweet Smell of Success (Mackendrick 1957) 5/5
Jackie Brown (Tarantino 1997) 4.5/5

Being largely film-illiterate leads to some crazy runs eh (only one of those is a rewatch).

July:

Nekromantik (Buttgereit, 1987) DVD 8/10 DVD - still an effective piece of outrage
Twentynine Palms (Dumont, 2003) DVD 7/10
Hell Drivers (Endfield, 1957) YOUTUBE 7/10 - a James Bond, a Doctor Who, the Prisoner, a Man From UNCLE and Sid Boggle
The Wayward Cloud (Tsai, 2005) DVD 8/10
The Crime of Doctor Crespi (Auer, 1935) YOUTUBE 5/10
Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse (Roth, Ramsey et al, 2018) BLU-RAY 6/10
The Stepford Wives (Forbes, 1975) DVD 8/10 - this has aged very well ...
*GoldenEye (Campbell, 1995) DVD 6/10 - this has aged very badly
Number Seventeen (Hitchcock, 1932) DVD 5/10 - Charles Barr has tried to make a case for this as Hitchcock's most experimentally reflexive British feature, but (as Hitchcock admitted to Truffaut) it's really just a right old mess, with an insufferable cockney character lead
Stolen Face (Fisher, 1952) DVD 6/10
The Changeling (Medal, 1980) DVD 7/10
Fire Sale (Arkin, 1977) BLU-RAY 4/10 - oh dear oh dear, what a drop-off from Little Murders
Friday the 13th: A New Beginning (Steinmann, 1985) BLU-RAY 5/10 - avoid the commentary track
*Lost Highway (Lynch, 1997) BLU-RAY 8/10 - docked a point for some terrible 90s music choices, Smashing Pumpkins, Marilyn Manson esp
Footprints (Bazzoni, Fanelli, 1975) DVD 7/10 - I'm hoping that the forthcoming presentation from Severin does greater justice to Vittorio Storaro's colour imagery than the shoddy Shameless DVD I watched
This Island Earth (Newman, 1955) 8/10
*High Noon (Zinnemann, 1952) FILM FOUR 8/10 - some of the unmotivated panning shots across the empty town reminded me of Straub-Huillet! Floyd Crosby, what a cinematographer
Devil Doll (Shonteff, 1964) YOUTUBE 7/10
The Ghost and Mrs Muir (Mankiewicz, 1947) TALKING PICTURES TV 8/10
Homicidal (Castle, 1961) BLU-RAY 7/10 - again, superb crisp black and white cinematography (on a budget) from Burnett Duffey
Thor: Love and Thunder (Waititi, 2022) CINEWORLD 6/10
The Steel Bayonet (Carreras, 1958) TALKING PICTURES TV 5/10 - hard to see Hammer film, but really only of historic interest

The Phantom (James, 1931)
A Lady's Profession (McLeod, 1933)
The Strange Case of Clara Deane (Marcin & Gasnier, 1932)
She's My Lilly, I'm Her Willie (Watson, 1934)
Evangeline (Carewe, 1929)
Les Miserables (Bernard, 1934)
The Godfather (Coppola, 1972)
Lost Highway (Lynch, 1997)

July:

10 Things I Hate About You (not john hughes, not the 80s) 5/10
Targets (Corman/Bogdanovich, 1968) 6/10
Spider-Man 8 or so (Disney/Sony, 2021) 4/10

Nope (Peele, 2022) 8/10
My Name is Sara (Oritt, 2022) 8/10
* Internal Affairs (Figgis, 1990) 7/10
That's Life! (Edwards, 1986) 2/10
Manhattan Melodrama (Van Dyke, 1934) 7/10

Chameleon Street (1989) 4.5/5. It's every bit as great and its neglect by the film industry is every bit as shameful as I'd heard. I wonder if Paul Beatty saw it? The tone really reminded me of The Sellout.
Compulsion (1959) 3/5
Arrebato (1979) 3.5/5
Throw Away Your Books, Rally in the Streets (1971) 2.5/5. Funny how all the mind expansion and experimentalism of this era didn't lead many artists to interrogate their own misogyny.
Prey (2022) 3.5/5
* Lost Highway (1997) 4/5. 2nd time seeing this in a theater. The 4k looks and sounds great; albeit not as revelatory as when I saw a 35mm print.
The Gunfighter (1950) 4.5/5

Rolling Stone (Chase, 1919)
Picking Peaches (Kenton, 1924)
Birds of Prey (Dean, 1930)
Mother Machree (surviving material) (Ford, 1927)
*Footlight Parade (Bacon & Berkeley, 1933)

Capitolfest 19
KoKo's Earth Control (Fleischer, 1928)
Penrod and Sam (Beaudine, 1923)
Woman Trap (Young, 1936) (The programmers announced the 1929 film of the same title; the distributor sent this unrelated film.)
Ex-Bad Boy (Moore, 1931)
The College Coquette (Archainbaud, 1929)
The Cobweb Hotel (Fleischer, 1936)
Nobody's Fool (Greville Collins, 1936)
Till I Come Back to You (de Mille, 1918)
*King Kong (Cooper & Schoedsack, 1933)
Barnacle Bill (Fleischer, 1930)
Mysterious Mose (Fleischer, 1930)
Seed (Stahl, 1931)
Little Red Riding Hood (Disney, 1922)
Celebrity (Garnett, 1928)
Somewhere in Dreamland (Fleischer, 1936)
Glamour (Wyler, 1934)
Jack and the Beanstalk (Disney, 1922)
Goldie Locks and the Three Bears (Disney, 1922)
Kitty From Kansas City (Fleischer, 1931)
The First Year (Howard, 1932)
The Poor Nut (Wallace, 1927)
Radio Patrol (Cahn, 1932)
*Moonlight and Pretzels (Freund, 1933)
Puss in Boots (Disney, 1922)
Cinderella (Disney, 1922)
A Jazzed Honeymoon (Roach, 1919)
The Roaring Road (Cruze, 1919)
I Love That Man (Brown & Towne, 1933)
Above the Clouds (Neill, 1933)
The Fire Brigade (Nigh, 1926)

Re-watched Walter Hill's Trespass tonight. Bill Paxton and Bill Sadler are firemen who learn about a hidden treasure in an abandoned building but while they're there searching for it, they run afoul of Ices T and Cube, who are there perpetrating a gang murder. Hijinks ensue.

*High Noon (Zinnemann, 1952) FILM FOUR 8/10 - some of the unmotivated panning shots across the empty town reminded me of Straub-Huillet! Floyd Crosby, what a cinematographer

The Mighty Barnum (Lang, 1934)
East of Borneo (Melford, 1931)
Honeymoon Beach (Edwards, 1932)
The Big Meow (Christie, 1934)
The Tonic (Montagu, 1928)
The Thief (Rouse, 1952)
City Across the River (Shane, 1949)
The Prince of Arcadia (Hartl, 1932)
Arizona (Seitz, 1931)

Prey Dan Trachtenberg 2022
Authentic looking early 18th century set meeting between a young native would be hunter woman and one of the Predator race from the series Arnie started. IT was pretty effective, utilised a largely native cast though seemed to be few in teh crew in the credits.
I didn't watch many of the series of predator and predator meets alien movies which seemed to drag on for a while but the first 2 films from the 90s were pretty effective and this seems to be a return to form.
I think it went down ok with the bits of Native American media I listen to and is also empowering to women I guess.
Well really enjoyed it so hope others do.

The Drop Kick (Webb, 1927)
The Silver Streak (Atkins, 1934)
Mr. Klein (Losey, 1976)
The Silent Command (Edwards, 1923)
The Lost Record (Svenonius & Cabral, 2021)
The Killer Shrews (Kellogg, 1959)

Red Nation roundtable review of Prey. So an Indian take on the film set in a pre colonial Comanche territory. Interesting.
Does point out that the film being written and directed by a white film maker does direct gaze even if there was a lot of input from people from various Indian Tribes
https://open.spotify.com/episode/6jyASI54Vdq0ECc0tT05Gb?si=c8f97f84ddaa4bf3

August viewing

*The Living Daylights (Glen, 1987)8/10
Real Life (Brooks, 1979)8/10
Resurrection (Semans, 2022) 6/10
Aloners (Hong Sung-eun, 2021) 8/10
*Room 237 (Ascher, 2012) 6/10
*Naked Lunch (Cronenberg, 1991) 8/10
Nope (Peele, 2022) 6/10
Police Story (Chan, 1985) 9/10
A Summer's Tale (Rohmer, 1996) 8/10
Brute Force (Dassin, 1947) 7/10
Between Two Dawns (Nacar, 2021) 8/10
Prayers For The Stolen (Huezo, 2021) 7/10
Shellshock Rock (Davis, 1979) 6/10
The Night Comes For Us(Tjahjanto, 2018) 6/10
The Palm Beach Story (Sturges, 1942) 6/10
The Pervert's Guide to Ideology (Fiennes, 2012) 8/10
Bergman Island (Love, 2021) 6/10
Anantaram (Gopalakrishnan, 1987) 9/10
Prey (Trachtenberg, 2022) 5/10
Pather Panchali (Ray, 1955) 8/10

August

*Clifford (1994) 7/10
The Addams Family 2 (2021) 4/10 can't hate a movie that references both pee-wee herman and elvira

*Room 237 (Ascher, 2012) 6/10

I found this pretty fascinating (and weirdly credible, even though common sense kept telling me otherwise) at the time.

My patience is wearing thin about ridiculous theories these days. I definitely enjoyed it more the first time.

I thought it was a hoot a decade (!) ago, but I don't really see myself wanting to watch it again.

Mr Malcolm's List
multi ethnic Regency RomCom. I was thinking that couldn't be Vod as the jealous protagonist cos she wouldn't be taht young but no it was her.
A little flat and cosy possibly but the clothing's pretty cool.

Strong recommendation for the dark sociocomedy "The Good Boss". There's lots to like but first and foremost, Bardem is incredible in it. One of the best endings I've seen in a while.

Shadow of the Law (Gasnier, 1930)
Secret Service (Ruben, 1931)
She Loves Me Not (Nugent, 1934)
Many Happy Returns (McLeod, 1934)
Au Bonheur des Dames (Duvivier, 1930)
*Jaws (Spielberg, 1975)
Wake Up and Dream (Neumann, 1934)

Elvis (2022) 3/5. Baz simply overwhelms you with Oliver Stone-style nuttiness about 20-25 minutes in... and then you still have about 2 hours and 10 minutes left to go.
Bergman Island (2021) 4/5. Starts off as a very subtly funny movie about cineastes and then turns into something that resembles The Worst Person in the World (with which it shares an actor).
The Heroic Trio (1993) 3/5
* Mifune: The Last Samurai 3/5
Fred Lyon: Living Through the Lens (2013) 3.5/5. San Francisco photographer Fred Lyon just passed a couple of weeks ago and it led me to discover this documentary. It's less than an hour long and worth your time if you want to see a guy being very creative and engaged with the world into his 90s.
Righting Wrongs (1986) 4/5
Samurai Assassin (1965) 3.5/5.
Filmworker (2017) 2.5/5 - I can't say this left me with a great feeling about Kubrick and his virtual slave/master relationship with Leon Vitali, and the doc is not nearly as critical of it as it could be.

Short:
Le 15 Mai (1969) 3/5. Claire Denis' thesis film from 1969 or thereabouts. Has a very similar premise to Groundhog Day -- intriguing enough that it could have been expanded into a feature under the right circumstances.

Secrets of a Secretary (Abbott, 1931)
Children of Pleasure (Beaumont, 1930)
The Flaming Signal (Jeske & Roberts, 1933)
The Deadline (Hillyer, 1931)
Soup and Fish (Meins, 1934)
Trifles (Foy, 1930)
The College Hero (Lang, 1927)
Dead Ringers (Cronenberg, 1988)
Partners (Allen, 1932)
Defying Destiny (Chaudet, 1923)

Moonfall (Emmerich, 2022): fucking hilarious. Totally insane, dumb as shit, highest possible recommendation.

Tombstone Canyon (James, 1932)
Hooks and Jabs (Gillstrom, 1933)
The Audition (Mack, 1933)
Week-End (Godard, 1967)
La Chinoise (Godard, 1967)
*Dirigible (Capra, 1931)
Westworld (Crichton, 1973)
House of Dracula (Kenton, 1945)
Three Thousand Years of Longing (Miller, 2022)
See How They Run (George, 2022)

saw a few movies at TIFF

The Fabelmans - 4/5
All the Beauty and the Bloodshed - 4.5/5
Women Talking - 3.5/5
Knives Out 2: Knives In - 3/5
How to Blow Up a Pipeline - 4.5/5

How was TIFF attended this year? Between leaving the city and COVID, it feels a million miles away.

this was the second TIFF i've attended, with the first being last year and it was one screening (the Soderbergh screening) so idk if i have any worthy standard of comparison

the screenings this yr were mostly full, decently attended without being overwhelming i guess? surprisingly, the least attended screening i went to was Knives Out 2, which was free (well you had to show your Presto card lol)

Summer 2022

Navalny (Daniel Roher, 2022)
Chameleon Street (Wendell B. Harris Jr., 1989)
Limbo (Ben Sharrock, 2020)
Mad Dog Time (Larry Bishop, 1996)
A Life in Waves (Brett Whitcomb, 2017)
Propaganda (Slavko Martinov, 2021)
Domestic Violence (Frederick Wiseman, 2001)
No Time to Die (Cary Joji Fukunaga, 2021)
Billy Liar (John Schlesinger, 1963)
Johnny O'Clock (Robert Rossen, 1947)
Last Night In Soho (Edgar Wright, 2021)
Daisies (Vera Chytilová, 1966)
Paula Rego, Secrets & Stories (Nick Willing, 2017)
Karen Dalton: In My Own Time (Richard Peete, Robert Yapkowitz, 2020)
Adrienne (Andy Ostroy, 2021)
Domestic Violence 2 (Frederick Wiseman, 2002)
Darkened Room (David Lynch, 2002)
Still Processing (Sophy Romvari, 2020)
Mountains May Depart (Zhangke Jia, 2015)
Mr. Turner (Mike Leigh, 2014)
Exhibition (Joanna Hogg, 2013)
The Quiet Man (John Ford, 1952)
Benedetta (Paul Verhoeven, 2021)
Evening in Byzantium (Jerry London, 1978)
Hail, Caesar! (Ethan Coen, Joel Coen, 2016)
The Card Counter (Paul Schrader, 2021)
The Asphalt Jungle (John Huston, 1950)
Moonwalk One (Theo Kamecke, 1972)
The Matrix Resurrections (Lana Wachowski, 2021)
Belfast, Maine (Frederick Wiseman, 1999)
The Hard Ride (Burt Topper, 1971)
*Dirty Harry (Don Siegel, 1971)
Giants and Toys (Yasuzô Masumura, 1958)

What the heck took me to long to see Asphalt Jungle? Sheesh...

Such a great film and one I always like to use to counter the Huston haters. Superior to « Rififi » imo.

*A Straight Crook (1921)
The Wrong Mr. Fox (Jackson, 1917)
Sweetie (Tuttle, 1929)
Gun Smoke (Sloman, 1931)
Young Man of Manhattan (Bell, 1930)
Maman Colbri (Duvivier, 1929)
Captain Fracasse (Cavalcanti, 1929)
The Shadow (Cooper, 1933)

september:

That Batman (Matt Reeves, 2022) 6/10
Trainwreck: the netflix woodstock 99 one (2022) 7/10 -- gave up on the hbo one
X (Ti West, 2022) 7/10
Elvis (The Baz, 2022) 8/10
Good Burger (1997) 5/10

Last Night at the Alamo (1983) 4/5
Deja Vu (2006) 4/5. Funny that Denzel's son later starred in his own time travel action movie (Tenet), but Tony Scott gets the edge over Nolan.
Diary of a Hitman (1991) 2/5. I put this on because it looked like it might be 90s comfort crap. Only film directed by acting teacher Roy London. Sherilyn Fenn and Sharon Stone play sisters.
Truck Turner (1974) 4/5. WILD movie. Nichelle Nichols is phenomenal as an evil madam.
* Contempt (1963) 4/5
Travelin’ Band: Creedence Clearwater Revival at the Royal Albert Hall (2022) 3/5
The Wrong Guy - 4/5 (1997) Under-seen Dave Foley vehicle. Thought this started out shaky but it soon had the feel of one of his Kids in the Hall sketches, with a touch of one of John Swartzwelder's comic novels. A treat.
Every Man for Himself (1980) 3/5. Memorably perverted, I'll say that.
Top of the Heap (1972) 4/5
Undine (2020) 3.5/5

Showgirl's Luck (Dawn, 1931)
Pierrot le Fou (Godard, 1965)
Her Mad Night (Hopper, 1932)
Hell-Bound Train (Gist & Gist, 1930)
Mush and Milk (McGowan, 1933)
Shrimps for a Day (Meins, 1934)
*Manhatta (Strand & Sheeler, 1921)
The Song of Life (Stahl, 1922)
Trilogy of Terror (Curtis, 1975)
*Dogs of War! (McGowan, 1923)
The Big Show (McGowan, 1923)

Nope (5.5)
Better Call Saul (S6 – 6.0)
Friday Night Lights (S1-S5 – 8.5)
Wild Palms (7.5)
The Americans (S1-S6 – 8.0)
Facing Nolan (5.5)
Blonde (4.0)
Kill Bill (6.0 – I’ll treat the two as one film)
Travelin' Band: Creedence Clearwater Revival at the Royal Albert Hall (7.0)
Monster: The Jeffrey Dahmer Story (6.0)

What the heck took me to long to see Asphalt Jungle? Sheesh...
― Elvis Telecom, Saturday, September 24, 2022 7:21 PM (one week ago)

Such a great film and one I always like to use to counter the Huston haters. Superior to « Rififi » imo.
― SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Sunday, September 25, 2022 7:05 AM (one week ago)

Had the same reaction when I belatedly caught up to it after years and years. I still haven't seen Rififi (which figures into The Americans when Elizabeth tries to work a senator's aide who spends his time at rep houses), but I thought The Asphalt Jungle was almost on par with The Killing.

September

*Malcolm X (Lee, 1992) 8/10
Haxan (Christensen, 1922) 9/10 (its crazy that this 100 years old!)
*Licorice Pizza (Anderson, 2021) 7/10
Scenes From A Marriage (Bergman, 1974) 8/10
Flame (Loncraine, 1975) 8/10
The Boat That Rocked (Curtis, 2009) 4/10
The Great Silence (Corbucci, 1968) 8/10
Vivre Sa Vie (Godard, 1962) 8/10
The Fifth Seal (Fabri, 1976) 9/10
Confess, Fletch (Mottola, 2022) 6/10
Fallen Angels (Kar-Wai, 1995) 8/10
Opening Night (Cassavetes, 1977) 7/10
Noah (Aronofsky, 2014) 5/10
*Nixon (Stone, 1995) 7/10
Windy City Heat (Goldthwait, 2003) 7/10

Asphalt jungle and rififi are both lesser noirs imho

Dante's Inferno (Otto, 1924)
The Mascot (Starewicz, 1933)
Verdict: Not Guilty (Gist & Gist, 1933)
Heaven-Bound Travelers (Gist & Gist, 1935)
Terror Island (Cruze, 1920)
Secrets of a Soul (Pabst, 1926)
It! The Terror from Beyond Space (Cahn, 1958)

Yesterday: Out of the Past, a 1947 noir with Robert Mitchum and Kirk Douglas with dialogue that made me laugh out loud several times, in a good way. My favorite line comes when Mitchum opens a door and sees Douglas, whom he was not expecting; Douglas says, "I hate surprises myself. You wanna just shut the door and forget it?"

Today: The Conjuring 2. I loved The Conjuring, total old-school horror done right (without winking). This sequel suuuuucked. Based on this, I'll be skipping #3 and all the various spinoffs about the haunted doll, the evil nun, etc., etc.