Donald Trump: Classic or Dud?

^^ side 2 The Great Escape track

Speaking of Club Mar-a-La-Go-Go:

Reports of former President DONALD TRUMP storing 11 sets of classified documents, possibly containing nuclear weapons-related and “special access program” info, at Mar-a-Lago have centered attention on the sensitivity of those papers.

But the more important aspect, according to a former official who assisted GEORGE W. BUSH's handling of the government's classification system, is the lack of protection of those items.

“Let's say one of those documents was about Bill Leonard and had my social security number on it. The Privacy Act prohibits the disclosure of that information,” said J. WILLIAM LEONARD, who from 2002 to 2008 led the Information Security Oversight Office. “But if you're talking about information related to nuclear weapons or whatever, the safeguarding requirements are the same. It still needs to be in approved storage facilities, still may need to be under constant surveillance in terms of either guards or alarm systems. You need to ensure that only authorized people have access to it.”

The Wall Street Journal reported that the FBI's haul from "the southern White House" included 11 sets of classified documents, including some items with information about the president of France.

Leonard called the caterwauling over what Trump could and could not declassify while president a “red herring.” Yes, he acknowledged, Trump had broad powers to declassify nearly all intelligence, except when they contained information of nuclear issues, covert operations and operatives, or data sent to the U.S. by a treaty partner.

But he doesn’t have the right to leave those papers lying around Mar-a-Lago for anyone to access, especially when the club is a counterintelligence nightmare with horrific security.

That, and the Presidential Records Act, is why Leonard felt it was “appropriate for the government to insist on recouping possession.”

He noted that most of these situations typically resolve themselves amicably — and clearly, this was not one of those situations. “You revert to the criminal justice system only in the most anomalous or unusual circumstances,” Leonard told NatSec Daily. It’s still unclear why the FBI took such a step, which followed a grand jury subpoena in June.

Whatever the reason, the government’s move means it’s more likely now that some government secrets are secured.

“I would be surprised that even amongst the unclassified information in the 15 boxes or however many they removed, that there was not classified information that required protection,” Leonard told NatSec Daily before news of the contents of Trump's documents broke.

It's "still unclear why the FBI took such a step"?????

It's like the writer had just finished putting together a 500 piece puzzle and spent hours looking for the 501st piece

not sure what to make of this: CNN analyst says the intel Trump stole are so sensitive that FBI agents will begin FINGER PRINTING each document to find out who actually touched them

<Nelson Muntz laugh> is my take

Fingerprints are not so reliable; maybe DNA? But then they'd have to get a whole lotta samples---maybe check ancestry.com? Srsly, they've done that in some cases.

xpost Guess Politico scribe was thinking, "Why didn't they just keep negotiating, keeping it all on the paper snail trail, " like we're used to seeing with gov. vs. Mr. T---but, although gov. dude mentioned on CNN this a.m. that the gov. dude who had been leading negotiation was the one who signed go-ahead for this "raid," like somebody had finally had enough---it was not out of the blue, since they'd already taken more boxes the first time, it was just done as quietly as this might have been, if Trump hadn't squawked on Truth: sounds unlikely, but word didn't get around the first time, when he somehow kept mum about it. (I'm sure word got around to some extent somewhere, but not like this.)

On the NYT homepage right now.

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NYT version of Thread Connections 2022

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— The Eorzea Mets (@MC_Nietzsche) August 12, 2022

Whoa

Statement from Trump Office: As we can all relate to, everyone ends up having to bring home their work from time to time… He had a standing order that documents removed from the Oval Office taken to the residence were deemed to be declassified.. pic.twitter.com/pnTjRnOqif

— Acyn (@Acyn) August 13, 2022

Lol keep talking moron

This is the “I said ‘Not it infinity’” defense

Nuclear secrets become unsecret when they enter my tacky compound

Got to admit, I did not foresee psychic declassification on the game card.

It's like a child making up new rules to the game as they go along to ensure they keep winning. "Oh, wait, if I'm behind, when I make a basket it's worth twice as many points until I catch up to your score plus one, and then it goes back to normal scoring."
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“From the Trump office in Wahoo, Nebraska”

I swear there was some chud on FOX a few years ago saying something like "the President cannot commit any crimes, if he does it then it is by definition not a crime"

in today's news, rock beat scissors, but then it was time for the bulldozer. bart simpson was also deployed but was handily beaten by the bulldozer. weather on the tens, coming up

Xpost oh shit someone brought Nixon back to life?

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hey guys remember when Tulsi Gabbard was a democrat

https://theweek.com/tucker-carlson/1015890/tulsi-gabbard-fills-in-on-tucker-carlson-tonight

yeah, I saw that the other day. she's been filling in while tucker tans his balls. i'm trying to imagine the political and psychological journey of some rando 2016 left-leaning voter who decides that tulsi gabbard is the best person to support, and then if they kept supporting her all the way to the present moment.

The party changed not her

Xpost You are basically describing the Jimmy Dore fanbase

Tulsi is just another Palin-style raw opportunist, but with a prettier face to exploit.

I mean, the minute I read in 2016 that she was a Christian, anti-marriage equality individual from Hawai’i , it was pretty evident that she was actually a conservative— all of those types are

I spent a good 4 years between 2016 and 2020 sharing this the moment any friend or acquaintance got a "she look intersting" vibe about Tulsi. Great reporting by Eoin Higgins: https://www.pastemagazine.com/politics/tulsi-gabbard/tulsi-gabbard-is-not-who-you-think-she-is/

that link 404'ed me

That link isn’t what you think it is either

Tulsi Gabbard is hosting “Tucker Carlson,” the predictable end point of a political pivot I called six years agohttps://t.co/QINzvNOigH

— ℮oin Higgins (@EoinHiggins_) August 11, 2022

I mean, the minute I read in 2016 that she was a Christian, anti-marriage equality individual from Hawai’i , it was pretty evident that she was actually a conservative— all of those types are

― broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Saturday, August 13, 2022 2:05 PM bookmarkflaglink

that's what doesn't make sense to me about the handful of friends I know who are progressive who weirdly endorsed her in 2016. they mostly abandoned her later but it's like she always seemed fucking phony

At least one lawyer for former President Donald J. Trump signed a written statement in June asserting that all material marked as classified and held in boxes in a storage area at Mr. Trump’s Mar-a-Lago residence and club had been returned to the government, four people with knowledge of the document said.

The written declaration was made after a visit on June 3 to Mar-a-Lago by Jay I. Bratt, the top counterintelligence official in the Justice Department’s national security division.

The existence of the signed declaration, which has not previously been reported, is a possible indication that Mr. Trump or his team were not fully forthcoming with federal investigators about the material. And it could help explain why a potential violation of a criminal statute related to obstruction was cited by the department as one basis for seeking the search warrant used to carry out the daylong search of the former president’s home on Monday, an extraordinary step that generated political shock waves.

It also helps to further explain the sequence of events that prompted the Justice Department’s decision to conduct the search after months in which it had tried to resolve the matter through discussions with Mr. Trump and his team.

...Mr. Trump said on Friday that he had declassified all the material in his possession while he was still in office. He did not provide any documentation that he had done so.

...n the spring, the Justice Department issued a subpoena to Mr. Trump seeking further documents believed to be in his possession. He was repeatedly urged by advisers to return what remained, despite what they described as his desire to continue to hold onto some documents.

In an effort to resolve the dispute, Mr. Bratt and other officials visited Mar-a-Lago in early June, briefly meeting Mr. Trump. Two of Mr. Trump’s lawyers, M. Evan Corcoran and Christina Bobb, spoke with Mr. Bratt and a handful of investigators he traveled with, people briefed on the meeting said.

...According to two people briefed on the visit, Mr. Bratt and his team left with additional material marked classified, and around that time also obtained the written declaration from a Trump lawyer attesting that all the material marked classified in the boxes had been turned over.
...The Justice Department also subpoenaed surveillance footage from Mar-a-Lago, including views from outside the storage room. According to a person briefed on the matter, the footage prompted concern among investigators about the handling of the material. It is not clear what time period that footage was from.

Over recent months, investigators were in contact with roughly a half-dozen of Mr. Trump’s current aides who had knowledge of how the documents were handled, two people briefed on the approaches said. At least one witness provided the investigators with information that led them to want to further press Mr. Trump formaterial, according to a person familiar with the inquiry.

Concern about Mr. Trump’s cavalier handling of classified information dates back to the early days of his administration. When Mr. Trump left office, President Biden quickly took the extraordinary step of barring him from receiving the intelligence briefings traditionally provided to former presidents, saying that Mr. Trump could not be trusted because of his “erratic behavior.”

Trevor Noah Thinks Donald Trump May Be His Own FBI Leak: ‘He’s the King of Snitching on Himself’ (Video)
”For all we know, he was bragging about it at the Mar-a-Lago buffet,“ the ”Daily Show“ host said

he's the king of blissful snitching

Good one.

https://www.newsweek.com/exclusive-trump-raid-documents-could-reveal-intel-sources-us-payroll-1733230

2 years later

"So Trump sold Intel secrets to China and Russia. So what? The Clintons did it!"

everybody does it

it's more suspicious if you don't do it, that's who they should be looking into. if you _say_ you don't do it, that is

Press conference tomorrow to say he found Nicole Brown Simpsons real killer

In pursuing the unprecedented search of Donald Trump's residence on Monday, the FBI was seeking to retrieve Top Secret and "compartmented" documents dealing with intelligence "sources and methods," two federal government sources tell Newsweek—documents with the potential to reveal U.S. intelligence sources, including human sources on the American government payroll.

This greatly complicates any public discussion of the documents or any substantiation of Trump's potential violation of U.S. law. The sources, who were briefed on the investigation, requested anonymity in order to discuss sensitive information.
Compartmented" is a specific term meaning "classified information concerning or derived from intelligence sources, methods, or analytical processes, which is required to be handled within formal access control systems established by the Director of National Intelligence." It includes a variety of different access categories—for example, human, intercept, satellite sources—each of which limits how many people can know the nature of the compartment. One of the government sources says that "special access program" information was involved in the Mar-a-Lago case, a further category of information limited to an even smaller group of people.
In order to prove that this was a matter of national security and essential to be done in this way, some detail on what Trump was keeping will have to be revealed," one intelligence officer, granted anonymity to speak about an ongoing investigation, tells Newsweek. "That might be difficult for the government precisely because of the sensitivity of the documents."
...The former president does not have authority to declassify such documents, intelligence sources say, because they are classified under statute rather than by executive order. Trump's possession of those documents and the fact that he was secreting them away came to light in the course of a multi-month federal government investigation that focused on the status of presidential records taken from the White House.

again:

...The former president does not have authority to declassify such documents, intelligence sources say, because they are classified under statute rather than by executive order.

So as long as they're in that category, they don't have to be (totally?) unredacted for a judge to rule: the statute has been violated or whatever you call it, so he's guilty, prob fined, and hopefully disqualified from running for President again.

I mean, the minute I read in 2016 that she was a Christian, anti-marriage equality individual from Hawai’i , it was pretty evident that she was actually a conservative— all of those types are

― broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Saturday, August 13, 2022 2:05 PM (five hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

shes part of some weird hindu cult, theres a good article about it that goes deep into the whole situation

i'm in that cult, that's where i met her. she used to be cool

damn ok right on

this is the article I think: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/11/06/what-does-tulsi-gabbard-believe
by Kelefa Sanneh

Big Liars have a name for fans of the former president who don't want to overturn democracy: “TINOs” — Trump in Name Only. https://t.co/h9jMJJu1LT

— Noah Shachtman (@NoahShachtman) August 14, 2022

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