Donald Trump: Classic or Dud?

future cooperation is so chilled

Witness and chill.

I have to suppose at this point that anyone who publicly turns on Trump is going to at least have a few armed crazies wandering around their neighborhood looking at house numbers

liz cheney canceled her campaign events (not that she had much of a chance at winning anyway) because of threats

hope she runs for President just to fuck over Trump

she doesn't seem to be very effective at convincing other conservative republicans, unfortunately. but yes, it would be nice to have at least a couple republicans run for president who aren't full on fascists, just to stir the cup a little and see what happens

(yes, i know her last name is cheney)

part of the general disappointment of this era is "rooting" for people like liz cheney, paired with joe biden somehow becoming the president of the united states even though, up until the establishment rallied around him to defeat bernie, i have never heard anyone in my life say that they would like to be president. that sentence is grammatically horrible and i don't care

i guess i do care. about the grammar and also about the banality of what i said. people always are greatly disappointed with the president. people always find themselves rooting for lower-level villain to defeat a high-ranking one

Um, not to be a dick, but define, "people." Liz Cheney and her entire family should be burnt at the stake in front of an audience of the Iraqi people, end of story, fuck them forever.

Like maybe "reasonable" people root for the lesser of two evils, but "reasonable" people have gotten us where we are, so fuck being reasonable.

wait do we fuck them or burn them

burnpit iirc

Table otm. The media narrative being pushed, that Liz is somehow a "good" Republican for speaking out against Jan. 6, when she previously voted with Trump's agenda 93% of the time, is horseshit.

No GOP politician from the last 40 or 50 years deserves any revisionist rehabilitation

People are neither wholly good nor wholly bad. Their specific intentions, actions and consequences are a bit easier to categorize that way. In the case of Liz Cheney, she's got plenty of bad intentions, actions and consequences, but I'm not going to fault her for bashing Trump and the insurrection he fomented. That's one to her credit.

I agree they don't but whatever anti-Trump movement exists within the GOP is still very important considering they have to win every election by the seat of their pants

i'm annoyed but mainly at myself

People are neither wholly good nor wholly bad. Their specific intentions, actions and consequences are a bit easier to categorize that way. In the case of Liz Cheney, she's got plenty of bad intentions, actions and consequences, but I'm not going to fault her for bashing Trump and the insurrection he fomented. That's one to her credit.

speaker for the dead

she can be a bad person but also the specific thing that she is doing re:jan 6th is good. both things can be true.

^^^

Nope, you're still missing it. Cheney is a bad person, actively evil, in fact, much like her father, but she is narrowly useful right now. The Democrats need to hold onto the House; work with Cheney on this one issue while she's willing to work with them; and render her irrelevant once again as soon as possible.

Y’all would defend Kissinger if he was on the Jan 6th committee.

you do realize that the kind of thinking you're indulging in here is indistinguishable from the very popular "lock up every criminal in solitary confinement and throw away the key" school of thought, don't you?

table has the moral high ground, you know. Since we all agreed with the invasion of Iraq and he didn't.

sounds like you do think it is nbd in the grand scheme of things

Liz Cheney and her entire family should be burnt at the stake in front of an audience of the Iraqi people

That's a bit medieval, isn't it? Dick is certainly a war criminal, but does Liz bear any responsibility for her father's crimes? She may have her own to answer for, but she wasn't even in Congress until 2017. Back in the mid-aughts, she was a mid-level State Department official. (She was part of a group formed to pressure Iran and Syria, which was disbanded in 2007 when the Bushies wanted to try to make peace with those two countries.

I just don’t think there’s anything redeemable about Liz Cheney, and quite frankly don’t give a fuck about the “good work” she’s done on the January 6th committee. She’s a fascist.

Aimless, I’m not a Kantian, so what I think about the genocidal Cheney family has little bearing on what I think about even the most violent “criminals” in the US justice system. Your gotcha moments are tiresome precisely because they fail to recognize context, and instead rely on false syllogism to buoy their reasoning.

Your gotcha moments are tiresome precisely because they fail to recognize context

right. the context here is your personal judgement operating on a case-by-case basis. For example, your expressed judgment is that every member of the Cheney family should be burnt at the stake. But, if I were to draw from that statement the conclusion that you favor the death penalty I can see I'd be 'relying on a false syllogism'. You am what you am.

im no philosopher but seems to me it could be useful & maybe even healthy to find a way to talk about politics without indulging in so many hyper violent torture/murder fantasies but ymmv

I think very deeply

How do we talk about people who aided and abetted genocide under completely false pretenses? It might be crass or a rejection of Christ-like logic of turning the other cheek to ask for their heads, but perhaps the fact that genocidaires continue to live comfortable and lovely lives insulated from violence and criticism should also be considered.

Posting this for no reason whatsoever

SIERRA ADAMSON: “That’s an American citizen that’s being targeted without due process of law, without trial. And he’s underage. He’s a minor.”
ROBERT GIBBS: “I would suggest that you should have a far more responsible father.

table literally everyone in this thread agrees that liz cheney is bad, a couple posters remarked that it would be good if the jan 6 comittee which she is a part of contributed to stopping trump, youve spent the entire day fulminating that people itt are trying to rehabilitate her or insulate her from criticism which literally nobody is doing and its tedious, we all hate liz cheney but ok you hate her in the best most violent & correct way, can we please move on now

I don’t get the impression that everyone thinks she is bad, which is why I keep being a tedious asshole, but I’ll stop now.

A primary loss for Cheney is a win for Trump and his personal brand of vindictive cancel culture, it’s as simple as that. I don’t want to see Trump have a reason to celebrate anything at all.

Although I must admit I am glad that he focuses so much more on redressing personal slights than on doing anything at all to advance the goals of the GOP.

Yeesh. https://t.co/U7AfNgpT4d pic.twitter.com/46R2JqVEEJ

— southpaw (@nycsouthpaw) August 17, 2022

You finish “Breaking History” wondering: Who is this book for? There’s not enough red meat for the MAGA crowd, and Kushner has never appealed to them anyway. Political wonks will be interested — maybe, to a limited degree — but this material is more thoroughly and reliably covered elsewhere. He’s a pair of dimples without a demographic.

What a queasy-making book to have in your hands. Once someone has happily worked alongside one of the most flagrant and systematic and powerful liars in this country’s history, how can anyone be expected to believe a word they say?

It makes a kind of sense that Kushner is likely to remain exiled in Florida. “The whole peninsula of Florida was weighted down with regret,” as Cynthia Ozick put it in “The Shawl.” “Everyone had left behind a real life.”

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which one is Kushner?

He's the chair.

Word gets around eventually...

Former president Donald Trump and close aides have spent the eight days since the FBI searched his Florida home rushing to assemble a team of respected defense lawyers. But the answer they keep hearing is “no.”

The struggle to find expert legal advice puts Trump in a bind as he faces potential criminal exposure from a records dispute with the National Archives that escalated into a federal investigation into possible violations of the Espionage Act and other statutes.

“Everyone is saying no,” said a prominent Republican lawyer, who like some others spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss confidential conversations.

...

Ordinarily, the prestige and publicity of representing a former president, as well as the new and complex legal issues at stake in this case, would attract high-powered attorneys. But Trump’s search is being hampered by his divisiveness, as well as his reputation for stiffing vendors and ignoring advice.

“In olden days, he would tell firms representing him was a benefit because they could advertise off it. Today it’s not the same,” said Michael Cohen, a former lawyer for Trump who was convicted of tax evasion, false statements, campaign finance violations and lying to Congress in 2018. “He’s also a very difficult client in that he’s always pushing the envelope, he rarely listens to sound legal advice, and he wants you to do things that are not appropriate, ethically or legally.”

One lawyer told a story from early in Trump’s presidency of his legal team urging him against tweeting about the Mueller probe, only to find he’d tweeted about it before they got to the end of the West Wing driveway. Several people said Trump was nearly impossible to represent and that it would be unclear if they would ever get paid.

Reynal is probably game.

What lawyer wouldn't want a client who doesn't pay for advice he doesn't pay attention to? Oh, and one who will destroy your career and reputation.

Sounds like a job for Giuliani & Powell, LLC!

Please let this go to trial, please let Rudy and Sidney represent him, please please oh please

Go to trial? I doubt there’s even going to be charges.

*wriggle