Mystery Science Theater 3000: C/D, S/D.

happy turkey day marathon everyone

I think I’ve still only watched the first ep of the new iteration? Maybe one other

we watched 'pod people'. i hadn't seen that one since i was a teenager. it definitely holds up. also: what a psycho movie, so gun happy. the reagan era. i appreciated how anti-gun joel and the robots are in it.

Animator Elizabeth Ito, who picked up some Emmys along with her team for work on City of Ghosts, is my new favorite person:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CmDutZNrpmQ/

If she had her arms outstretched a little more I would have been able to determine thread relevance more quickly.

Lol yeah i had to go to other pix in her feed to figure it out

We stayed at a place this weekend that had both the MST3K and Shout Factory channels on the tv. My son watched his first episode--"Teenagers From Outer Space." I wasn't sure he'd be into it, but he spent the entire movie riffing along. Mostly pizza jokes.

Hahah excellent.

The season ender with all three current hosts (long story) the other day was good fun. Exact plans for the next batch not yet revealed but it looks like a similar Kickstarter model, I'd guess (though supplemented hopefully by continuing Gizmoplex subscriptions) for new episodes in 2024.

Trumpy you can do boutique!

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Finally can see that van as the filmmakers intended

I mean I have those Kickstarter-funded cleaned-up scans of Manos and Monstrosity aka The Atomic Brain, I might have to consider this.

did you ever see Manos 2. Defiitely looked embarrassing

THAT I avoided.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzgbpnsIdlw

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crowdfunding for S14 up
https://showmaker.mst3k.com/makeseason14?ref=ab_64DMydU5y8z64DMydU5y8z

the main page doesn't have a running total, but you can see it on their profile
https://showmaker.mst3k.com/profiles/mystery-science-theater-3000

Ah thanks I was just about to check on that. (Kicked in for the $85 digital bundle.)

I've been really enjoying the twitch channel recently, just having access to random episodes when I have a spare half hour or so is a good option

yeah, this will be the first year I won't participate, the comeback has been pretty disappointing, although I like Emily and Jonah a lot.

I've occasionally enjoyed some comeback episodes to an extent but still can't really connect with the hyperactive theater-kid/youtuber energy in both the delivery and pace of the riffing. Not to mention how that approach disrupts the premise in just enough of a way to be kind of distracting, where the original episodes sold the feeling that the bots and host are reacting with quick wit as apposed to now where the riffs are jammed into all crevices with anticipation highlighting their prewritten nature. The spirit of the illusion of off the cuff riffing was just a funnier and more rewarding angle for me, regardless of the strength of any individual riffs. Obviously they're still subscribed to that general premise but are totally not trying to sell it. And there's no room to breathe either it's usually just an onslaught of riffs - again this feels very "youtuber" to me.

Also, when Itchy plays Scratchy's skeleton like a xylophone, he strikes that same rib twice in succession yet he produces two clearly different tones.

Mike Nelson got fired for that blunder.

48hr Turkey Day Marathon has started, now on the tubes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bO2k8LhUFzQ

i don't like that the new ones have CG sets. the point is that it's ramshackle and made with glue

that said i was only able to watch the new ones w the sound on low bc of inlaws.

Time Chaser! featuring Eddie Nelson, one of Mike’s most method performances (and kinda dark in its way imo)

Also the new ones have an even more juvenile energy to the skits due to the look of it combined with YouTuber energy perhaps... because of the puppets and all the goofy mugging in the camera lens it was always a disclaimer (that the show is not actually “for” kids) for unfamiliar family that wanted to know what the heck I was watching but with the new episodes I don’t think they’d believe me.

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I always fast forward past the nu-MST sketches cause they’re just painful.

I stopped watching the skits with the Sci-Fi Channel era. I can’t imagine them being any better in the reboot.

Checked MST3K wiki and … they have the full marathon program listed already? Is that what they’re doing these days? Some of the fun was not knowing which eps would end up in the rotation

the MST email list had the whole line up a day before

Addendum: Some of the fun was knowing that there wouldn't be so many s11-13 eps

Sounds like the latest crowdfund drive failed? I wasn’t impressed with what I saw of nu-MST3K, but I still wish it could, like THE SIMPSONS, go on forever nonetheless

Yeah it barely cleared 2:3 of the minimum so no new episodes for now. Some of it was circumstances beyond control — SAG strike meant the public faces couldn’t promote it until well into the drive — and some of it was fallout for the protracted mess of physical rewards from the previous fundraiser. My own thought was that this was a kinda terrible time of year to do this, even with the Turkey Day hook and previous successes with that — too much in the way of holiday expenses combined with economic angst, rightly or not. Should have aimed for post holiday/tax refund time in the spring. Also a lot of people felt that the Turkey Day interstitials promoting the drive were flat, ad hoc, etc, clearly pretaped and creating an air they’d already given up.

The contrast to RiffTrax (lower key and decidedly non-existential Kickstarters only done for the annual live shows) and especially the Mads are Back (no budget needed, just pay for a YouTube stream that you can download later) is arguably limited — both of those teams just need to record voiceovers, for a start — but still instructive. Maybe they just need to rethink expectations?

It’s a small thing too but last year they were hyping up The Bubble as being the worst unearthed artifact they’d done since Manos. That created expectations that turned out not to fly — it was definitely a clunky low-budget affair but one done in the LA area in the 1960s using the built-in infrastructure for that, with plenty of extras, actual professional care on some level, it felt more like a bloated Twilight Zone episode or like the season 1 Slime People filmed in similar circumstances. Manos wasn’t just truly ‘what the,’ but gained in stature the more people realized what the hell it was and helped actually define the show more widely, an actual organic landmark. For this, they should have really just relaxed.

it's definitely been interesting seeing Joel come under sustained criticism during this campaign, "he's no businessman" etc

i don't like that the new ones have CG sets. the point is that it's ramshackle and made with glue

― Its big ball chunky time

cg is cheaper than glue these days!

idk. i feel like on some level the stuff they're doing is, in terms of material conditions, sub-KTMA. not really the fault of anybody involved. i'm just not sure it's a model that _works_ in a post-UHF, hell, post-_cable_ world.

Thing is I do believe he’s always been much more of an ideas guy than a money man, to his detriment if solely looked at through that lens. If he hadn’t had Jim Mallon for a partner at the start, someone who’d already gotten into some nuts and bolts on this front via indie film and local TV, the show likely would never have happened. Cinematic Titanic wouldn’t have happened further if RiffTrax demonstrated there was a model post MST to follow, and nu-MST relies on that Alternaversal team with the Matt fellow as nu-Jim, but that guy honestly has never done much for me as the on-camera hype dude, feels like he’d be trying to do that for anywhere he was employed rather than because he gets the product at heart. Maybe he’s just better behind the scenes and should have stayed that way, but this failed fundraiser, after two admittedly successful ones, shows he’s not infallible.

Maybe SIMPSONS wasn’t really the proper analogue. Maybe MST3K has entered the 70s/80s Beatles phase.

Anyway, this all said, Joel's mailout this morning strikes me as very clear-headed about it all:

Greetings, backers.

Well, we’ve come to the end of the month, and the end of the Turkey Day Marathon and this campaign.

While we’re incredibly grateful for all of the support, enthusiasm, and encouragement, it’s clear we’ve fallen short of our goal this time.

First, to be clear, please understand that that means that no one will be charged anything, and we will not be collecting anything that you pledged to this campaign , since the agreement was that we’d only collect funds if we reached our minimum goal. No charges will be put on anyone’s credit cards.

Second, and more important, please know that we’re incredibly grateful for all of your input, feedback, concerns and questions, and are thinking about all the suggestions you have made over the past month.

One silver lining is that the continued support for this campaign, and the show, may have opened up some new conversations about potential partnerships and fundraising that could be key in getting the show another season.

We’ll spend some time now exploring those, and working to integrate all of the feedback and suggestions we’ve heard from you, and will follow up again next year, Lord willing and the creek don’t rise, when we’ve had a chance to regroup and have more to share downstream.

For now, whether you pledged or not, please accept our thanks and gratitude for your ongoing dedication and investment in MST3K.

We’re proud that the show continues to mean so much, to so many, and will keep working to figure out a path forward so that we can hopefully continue to #MakeMoreMST3K.

Until then, have a wonderful holiday season, and thanks again for all of your support.

Cheers and Thanks,

Joel and Team MST3K

Can we as a culture please just let something be a pleasant memory instead of trying to make it exist forever.

Hodgman seems like a good dude who really loves the thing he created & just really wants to keep doing that. I bear him no ill will for trying.

There are far worse offenders

Assume you mean Hodgson. Though John Hodgman would make a good Mad.

Original MST3K was an unrepeatable coalition of talent, time, and place. I sincerely feel that the Minnesota-centeredness of the original, because from cast to writing to production it was all done in a small cow town (as they called it) and not farmed out across the continent, by a small team who all knew each other from the same small relatively supportive scene, made all the difference. They were writing all the jokers in the same room. Seeing in, for example Rifftrax, the camaraderie (not that there hasn’t been tension behind the scenes) among the cast and especially between Mary Jo Pehl and Bridget Nelson, is part of the fun. Everything we’ve learned about how nu-MST is made works against that.

And Joel’s heart is obviously in the right place and he had some good talent working with him on the revive. But maybe he needs to tweak the approach?

ugh hodgson yes xxposts

Can we as a culture please just let something be a pleasant memory instead of trying to make it exist forever.

― deep wubs and tribral rhythms (Boring, Maryland)

it doesn't have to exist forever, just, like. what's joel hodgson supposed to _do_ now?