That Amelia Gentleman article about transitioning teens, arrrrrrgh.
― put a VONC on it (suzy), Saturday, 26 November 2022 15:10 (one year ago) link
fey (adj.): https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=fey
"of excitement that presages death," from Old English fæge "doomed to die, fated, destined," also "timid, feeble;" and/or from Old Norse feigr, both from Proto-Germanic *faigjo- (source also of Old Saxon fegi, Old Frisian fai, Middle Dutch vege, Middle High German veige "doomed," also "timid," German feige "cowardly"), from the same source as foe. Preserved in Scottish. Sense of "displaying unearthly qualities" and "disordered in the mind (like one about to die)" led to modern ironic sense of "affected"
i didnt watch the match so i wouldnt know either way, but hats off to him if he was going for "of excitement that presages death (feeble, cowardly)"
― mark s, Saturday, 26 November 2022 17:05 (one year ago) link
relevant modern-ish books he *might* have picked up this past-tiems usage from lol:
https://cdn.ecommercedns.uk/files/4/211944/3/11569543/8819-7.jpg
― mark s, Saturday, 26 November 2022 17:32 (one year ago) link
wasn't that recently mentioned in the authors no-one thread? (yes it was)
― koogs, Saturday, 26 November 2022 17:58 (one year ago) link
yes but im very old
― mark s, Saturday, 26 November 2022 18:02 (one year ago) link
Credit to Mark S - that is a strong etymological statement which could possibly actually make sense of Liew's use of the word.
At best, then, Liew was perhaps saying the match was deathly dull?
Conceivable that he was. Otherwise he was just misusing a word for alliteration's sake.
― the pinefox, Saturday, 26 November 2022 18:22 (one year ago) link
i chased this up bcz i had a v dim memory of encountering an unexpected meaning at some long-ago point, a memory i couldn't quite pin down (probably bcz at the time i'd interpreted it from context, not from knowledge: knowledge being i guess the "modern ironic sense of affected", as it says above, with a strand too of "fairylike" viz "fay")
tolkien uses it of fëanor apparently but eddison uses it (more translateably) of king gorice xi, as being driven towards death by presentiments of death, and making aggressively dangerous political and military choices accordingly
had liew a similar memory? i have no idea (and i i guess i think error is more likely, though i'm interested in what the sub-editor processing the sentence was thinking)
― mark s, Saturday, 26 November 2022 18:49 (one year ago) link
I'm sticking with the misusing the word theory.
― Oh wouldn't it be rubbery? (Tom D.), Saturday, 26 November 2022 18:50 (one year ago) link
at the time i think i guess-translated it roughly as "fierce to the point of wild recklessness" -- which is a long way from timid or dull
― mark s, Saturday, 26 November 2022 18:52 (one year ago) link
England and Wales play out eldritch, fell bore draw -- Barney Ronay, Guardian, 28.11.2022
― the pinefox, Saturday, 26 November 2022 19:09 (one year ago) link
would watch
― mark s, Saturday, 26 November 2022 19:21 (one year ago) link
liew is probably my favourite sports journalist, although I am also partial to jonathon wilson parodying himself.
― oscar bravo, Saturday, 26 November 2022 20:25 (one year ago) link
i think my comprehension of fey may be slightly out of date itself. my only understanding was a feeling of elation/fairylike deception as a prelude to disaster and death. certainly not 'affected'. 'you're not going fey on me are you George?' (from TTSS). it meaning 'affected' is tedious: affected how?
― Fizzles, Sunday, 27 November 2022 15:02 (one year ago) link
What's TTSS?
― the pinefox, Sunday, 27 November 2022 15:21 (one year ago) link
"a feeling of elation/fairylike deception as a prelude to disaster and death"
That still doesn't seem to describe ENG 0-0 USA very well. Not much elation, at least for ENG.
― the pinefox, Sunday, 27 November 2022 15:22 (one year ago) link
no i agree. i’m with tom d. just think he misused. and apologies pf - tinker tailor soldier spy. it’s uttered by pompous civil servant Oliver Lacon, when George Smiley first starts putting his paranoic seeming theories forward.
― Fizzles, Sunday, 27 November 2022 15:31 (one year ago) link
etymonline does its best to insist that fey and fay are distinct words w/difft roots (the first germanic the second romance) and that the "fairylike" element derives from and appends only to the latter -- but evidently they've p much fused in sense these days, ftb now sounding identical
(were they pronounced differently in like the 14th century? i do not know)
my new theory is that lacon is also misusing the word, entirely bcz i dislike the character
― mark s, Sunday, 27 November 2022 16:18 (one year ago) link
i mix up fey and fay, and the combined word in my head has always had fairyland connotations in that sense of fairies as dangerous and not to be trusted and beguiling unto death
― this display name blocked by FIFA (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 27 November 2022 16:49 (one year ago) link
Lud-in-the-Mist to thread.
― Fizzles, Sunday, 27 November 2022 16:57 (one year ago) link
what does ftb mean?
I didn't really know that these were in fact two different words.
'Morgan Le Fay' (a masculine looking name for a woman character if I have remembered it correctly?) is perhaps many people's encounter with it - and suggests fairies and danger I think.
Interesting that John le Carré had the word in mind and thought he knew what he meant by it. le Carré was quite precise with words, I would say.
― the pinefox, Sunday, 27 November 2022 18:11 (one year ago) link
ftb means because
― mark s, Sunday, 27 November 2022 18:16 (one year ago) link
Why?
― the pinefox, Sunday, 27 November 2022 18:17 (one year ago) link
i don't know: it's old internet slang that popped out of my head and into the post without me catching and reworking it into grown-up english
― mark s, Sunday, 27 November 2022 18:21 (one year ago) link
it's short for "for the because"
― Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 27 November 2022 21:23 (one year ago) link
https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/024/027/blog_image_3822_4926_Webcomic_Name_April_Fools_Day_201703231756.jpg
― mark s, Monday, 28 November 2022 11:41 (one year ago) link
Have to hand it to Liew - here he is basically correct about a big, dreadful development, which I can discern even as the same old TV and radio consumer I've always been.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/nov/28/world-cup-technology-fans-qatar-2022
― the pinefox, Monday, 28 November 2022 13:10 (one year ago) link
Ronay, his profile photo increasingly looking like Dorian Gray's portrait, produces an odd article.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/nov/28/gianni-infantino-fifa-world-cup-2022-qatar
He and others have attacked FIFA for years. Now he says that the World Cup is producing controversies, and what is needed is strong action from ... FIFA.
Doesn't really add up. I agree that Infantino has been less visible, but find that a good thing. Like many, I have enjoyed the soccer.
Fifa has bowed to Qatar’s will on the armband-of-love, even as Qatari officials wear their Palestinian rights symbols in the seats.
Do they? I haven't seen that at all, but if they do, they've gone up in my estimation. Doesn't sound like Ronay's keen on it though.
― the pinefox, Tuesday, 29 November 2022 11:02 (one year ago) link
Freeman celebrates her arrival at the Sunday Times. Her followers concur.
Hello, Sunday Times When did feminism become a dirty word?https://t.co/yJ4PHIbK4y https://t.co/11zgllgVwv— Hadley Freeman (@HadleyFreeman) December 3, 2022
― the pinefox, Monday, 5 December 2022 11:35 (one year ago) link
The journalist @HadleyFreeman has recently resigned from The Guardian. She joins @emmabarnett to talk about her claims of being “censored” from writing about gender identity, trans issues and antisemitism. Listen here ⬇— BBC Woman's Hour (@BBCWomansHour) December 5, 2022
the censorship tour starts here
― devvvine, Monday, 5 December 2022 13:18 (one year ago) link
I wonder if Barnett challenges her on anything? I expect not. I will not listen to check.
― the pinefox, Monday, 5 December 2022 13:24 (one year ago) link
I think Emma Barnett would be the last person in the world to challenge her on anything.
― Gulf VAR Syndrome (Tom D.), Monday, 5 December 2022 13:27 (one year ago) link
didn't it turn out that the 'censorship' she keeps complaining about was just that the guardian's editors wouldn't accept her pitches for all sorts of deranged transphobic stories because they were way outside her brief (celebrity profiles/banal columns) or just too repetitive
― ufo, Monday, 5 December 2022 13:28 (one year ago) link
i just listened to it. Barnett not terrible actually. but i think most listeners would be baffled. HF keeps saying that everyone’s very mean to her, and that management is “afraid” of the reaction if they published (anti-trans) “gender-critical” pieces. Barnett points out that the Guardian website carries a number of pieces by and interviews with exactly the people that HF says were “censored”. but in general they’re studiously avoiding why people get angry with HF. why people call her a bigot. you’d think that after former friends and allies all over tarnation have called you a bigot and dropped you like a hot potato the issue might be you and not them?
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 5 December 2022 13:49 (one year ago) link
HF dropped in questions about gender and Woody Allen in some of her interviews, which should've been cut. If anything she was given far too much freedom to do what she wanted.
I wonder whether she left or was pushed, and if it was the latter what did it.
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 5 December 2022 14:10 (one year ago) link
think it's quite likely she was poached, given where she ended up
― mark s, Monday, 5 December 2022 14:36 (one year ago) link
Did she jump or was she poached?
― Gulf VAR Syndrome (Tom D.), Monday, 5 December 2022 14:46 (one year ago) link
Peter Preston’s son is exec editor of the Sunday Times and is married to Janice TERFer. She got a golden parachute but I bet she’s not on Caitlin Moran money.
― put a VONC on it (suzy), Monday, 5 December 2022 14:55 (one year ago) link
I AM BEING CENSORED, i yell on a popular national radio programme as i begin my new job as a columnist on one of the nation's top broadsheets
― rick semper moranis (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 5 December 2022 15:11 (one year ago) link
incredible that this shit still works
― rick semper moranis (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 5 December 2022 15:12 (one year ago) link
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/commentisfree/2022/dec/09/fading-tories-stealing-ideas-labour-keir-starmer
"The fading Tories are stealing ideas from Labour – a transition has already begun. Andy Beckett"
― the pinefox, Friday, 9 December 2022 10:00 (one year ago) link
It's fun to peer into Wonderland sometimes
― jus do jus (Noodle Vague), Friday, 9 December 2022 10:02 (one year ago) link
"On probity in public life, private schools, poverty and wealth, whom the economy should prioritise, social values and the environment, Labour and the Tories remain miles apart."
I don't think this is true.
― the pinefox, Friday, 9 December 2022 10:03 (one year ago) link
How can Labour make any claims about probity in public life given the corrupt, mendacious and factional way the party itself is run?
Surprising that someone as intelligent as Beckett could publish this.
― the pinefox, Friday, 9 December 2022 10:05 (one year ago) link
Since 2015 the gap between Labour and the Tories – in style, ideology and policies – has often been larger than ever.
it was true 2015-19, but fuck knows what this stupid cunt is blathering on about now
― calzino, Friday, 9 December 2022 10:30 (one year ago) link
I hope he isn't getting paid for writing that shite.
― Gulf VAR Syndrome (Tom D.), Friday, 9 December 2022 10:44 (one year ago) link
those 'miles apart' in full
https://ecdn.teacherspayteachers.com/thumbitem/Map-Scale-Activity-4665446-1561987449/original-4665446-4.jpg
― rick semper moranis (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 9 December 2022 10:47 (one year ago) link
you can't measure the vibes that bullshit graun hacks feel about the PLP, in the absence of any evidence that proves they are anything other than a bunch of dishonest tory cunts
― calzino, Friday, 9 December 2022 10:52 (one year ago) link
Important to remember a lot of them honestly believe this bullshit
― jus do jus (Noodle Vague), Friday, 9 December 2022 11:32 (one year ago) link
The Guardian is running a headline about a 93 year old's 25 hour ambulance wait over the weekend right inside its ambulance strike coverage. Only the third paragraph mentions this happened before the strike started. pic.twitter.com/4bzq2VJGaI— libcom.org (@libcomorg) December 21, 2022
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 21 December 2022 12:07 (one year ago) link
Surely it's even more noteworthy if this was 'normal service'? And linked to why they're striking?
― kinder, Wednesday, 21 December 2022 19:13 (one year ago) link