Words, usages, and phrases that annoy the shit out of you...

I've got a learning, a learning deep inside

Oh yeah

lots of venerable traditions are annoying too

Those traditionings are notes.

I think what makes “trainings” and, more so the singular “a training” grating is less grammatical objection and more it’s close resemblance to verbal tics I associate with my parents (eg referring to soup as “a soup”), which aren’t linguistically objectionable either but, I think, are more about the unconscious dynamics that make kids oppose, or want to control, innocuous things their parents do. I guess?

I feel like 'learnings' has already faded from my world of nonprofit gobbly-jarg

prefer munchings and crunchings

Everyone may know what is meant by ‘learnings’ but a) it’s still annoying jargon and b) I don’t think ‘lessons’ needed an overhaul.

It reminds me of the Fonejacker call centre sketch.

See also: when people spell it FONE

Have we talked about vibe and vibing yet

Yes.

Words, usages, and phrases that annoy the shit out of you...

What is the estimated expiration date? I really hope this one doesn’t stick around.

why do people think this is a new thing haven't you ever heard of hippies

vibesy in cited context isn't meaningless even if it's annoying, you know what to expect from a vibesy record - focus on groove, texture, timbre, mood rather than traditional songcraft or compositional structure - does anyone have a better way to describe it

which isn't some pretentious bullshit like hypnagogic or hauntological (my nominations for thread)

I actually quite like the proliferation of vibe/vibing/energy as a way to describe a feeling of being on the same wavelength (or not) and connecting ephemerally (or not). It’s usable and easily understood.

As for musical description that’s another issue. People use all kinds of inscrutable terms and one referring to vibes is the innocuous tip of the iceberg.

I’d also like to agree w tracer about not wanting to think about where ppl put their fingers/thumbs while in a professional meeting.

As for musical description that’s another issue. People use all kinds of inscrutable terms and one referring to vibes is the innocuous tip of the iceberg.

lol

the room is punchy, the quitar tone is orange, and the vibe is skronky

Peaches tried to help you all but nobody listened

look if Fantano shows up itt you all have nobody to blame but yourself

music is pretty vibesy tbf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ib01_vWRpx0

Hero, as in "the hero ingredient" or "the hero image".

As a verb too… “Can we hero that next week?”

You've got to be kidding.

'hero image' has graduated to a technical term in web design.

Tracer, serious q, do you work in Hell?

https://external-preview.redd.it/m60qR4nDdP8BaDppVDtwlq7PulUPqDqqTJY11tf6RfQ.jpg?auto=webp&s=32c5338bf0407abbea2b9c46f878999ca841690b

Wow, I thought my highly corporate and jargonophilic background would inure me to all kinds of usage, but "hero that" is new to me.

In my business we speak of "heroics" with some ambivalence. Like, you praise people for isolated heroics but you strive for a process that makes heroics unnecessary.

Like, last-minute, late-night, and weekend heroics are great - but it also means that someone failed to plan. With good time management you shouldn't need heroics. Business should not be an emergency. Is the mantra.

What does heroing something even entail, Tracer?

Making it the big thing at the top

Marketing it, sending out newsletters about it etc

https://lizbushong.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Super-Hero-Sandwich-Recipe-www.lizbushong.com-4-1024x683.jpg

we don't need another gyro

Hero, as in "the hero ingredient" or "the hero image".

― Alba, Tuesday, January 24, 2023 2:48 PM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

NNNNNGGGGGG THIS. P Holyrood used it repeatedly in the most recent season of GBBO. The first time, I thought, ".......that's new" and then it just kept happening. Stop trying to make "fetch" happen!

we don't need another gyro

and not a moment too soon

The Age Of Adulting Is Over

https://www.vogue.co.uk/arts-and-lifestyle/article/adulting?utm_source=pocket-newtab

People who complain about the phrase “guilty pleasure” because “pleasure is just pleasure…” No!

Guilt is an important part of pleasure! Feeling guilty about silly things can be fun, transgressive, and important for personal development! Also “personally transgressive pleasure” is a much less catchy phrase.

I agree with this, Chuck.

Like it or not, there is a social dimension to cultural enjoyment. Anyone who claims to be free from it is probably lying.

It doesn't have to be expressed as guilt, exactly. Maybe "I am aware of the social context of (insert cultural product here) and it is a factor in my overall judgment."

Thoughts like "you wouldn't think someone like me would enjoy this, but I do" - as well as the reverse - are totally part of how we engage with art.

I seem to remember Morbius chastising me once for using “guilty pleasure” but can’t find it amongst all the gazillion other posts condemning the term. I always thought it was a concept (maybe I will just call it something else from now on) for the reasons just given and a few more but I just don’t want to deal with the hundreds hundreds of scolds who condemn it from their lofty perch of having perfect knowledge and insight into what they like and why they like it and will provide references upon request.

Thought it was a useful concept

Of course it is a useful concept, and a quick glance at (for example) the epic Dave Matthews Band "bad & hated" thread shows why.

Like, there is a long history of ilx0rz characterizing music by its purported fanbase - fratty douches in white hats, people who work in offices, people who drive minivans, blues dentists / blues dads / blues lawyers, etc.

This intellectual tendency confirms what I have said - that taste inevitably involves a certain amount of social positioning. It was ever thus: in ninth grade, where you sat in the cafeteria was intricately bound up with taste and class and temperament. The boys with asymmetrical haircuts wearing OMD t-shirts did not sit with the long-haired boys wearing Skynyrd t-shirts.

Chuck Tatum's post adds an interesting twist that I had not thought about: transgression.

Like, the feeling that you shouldn't enjoy something (but you do) adds a frisson of daring. I don't mean that it is daring to go to a Kenny G concert, so much. Just that the feeling of enjoying something you're not "supposed to" is part of the experience.

Taste as social positioning — or the balance between taste and social positioning, like not wanting to talk to your co-workers about the music you like because then they'll give you weird looks in the break room ("You know, Jeff, I tried listening to that Cannibal Corpse band and I didn't like it at all") — is fascinating. I think "guilty pleasure" is a very bad and misleading way of phrasing that concept, though. And I totally reject the idea that guilt is an important part of pleasure, but maybe that's because I haven't been to Mass in more than 30 years.

I am thankfully part of a close knit team that values each other's differences and I've sent them pics of me drunk at a Cannibal Corpse show before.

I hate more when people automatically read into like or dislike as a MORAL positioning, like when Wonder Woman 84 was getting a meh reaction, people were accused of sexism for merely stating it wasn't good (including one who was a major DC comics fan for 40 years, loved Wonder Woman, and thought the movie did a character a disservice).

I get believing that at the collective level but it was often levied at individuals without regard for the reason they disliked it.

I hate how people use "what type of music do you like" to mean "what kind of person are you?" and will answer the 2nd question to themselves in wildly different ways depending on what answer you give to the 1st

guilt and somewhat similar feelings like shame and embarrassment and exhilarated abandon aren't necessary at all but can definitely spice up your music life if it's getting stale

I am thankfully part of a close knit team that values each other's differences and I've sent them pics of me drunk at a Cannibal Corpse show before.

I hate more when people automatically read into like or dislike as a MORAL positioning, like when Wonder Woman 84 was getting a meh reaction, people were accused of sexism for merely stating it wasn't good (including one who was a major DC comics fan for 40 years, loved Wonder Woman, and thought the movie did a character a disservice).

I get believing that at the collective level but it was often levied at individuals without regard for the reason they disliked it.

well definitely, comic book people are essentially the epitome of gatekeeping (this particular one isn't like that, but yeah, I take your point, as a collective whole).

No I got you & agree I was referring to Comic Book Guys rather than all readers but was too lazy to capitalise

Like, there is a long history of ilx0rz characterizing music by its purported fanbase - fratty douches in white hats, people who work in offices, people who drive minivans, blues dentists / blues dads / blues lawyers, etc

this is a plague in music criticism in general, i like to think of it as fake sociology standing in for fake music criticism, and yeah it’s dumb

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it’s least bad i suppose when there’s a real understanding of the actual fanbase but i find that it tends to be based more on lazy stereotypes and social antagonism