Posts you had second thought about and decided not to post - put them here

Luna, will you please take a break? Jesus.

But yeah table I’m not interested in doing so either, but after having to read absolute lies and shit about myself last time people decided to cash in their grudges, not letting it slide this time.

Neanderthal, thank you. I have people I’ve disagreed with on here here but not a single one of them deserves to be subjected to any stripe of bigotry, and I think you have to call it out cos otherwise it calcifies and well- you see.

What bit went over gyac's head? Out of interest.

a very stupid post by Luna Schlosser utilizing Northern Ireland as a metaphor. it was a dumb post!

and gyac called it out (rightly so imo) and it has become a whole thing

I don't see much there that would bamboozle anyone tbh.

Oh, you know what those Paddies are like!

Thread policing people's aesthetics or sense of humour yeah I guess it's probly best avoided unless it's heartfelt and/or funny

policing speech that's hateful or bigoted or approaches hate speech and actually drives people off site because of the atmosphere of discrimination it fosters = hell yes police the fuck out of it, if you want to furrow your brows about "what is discrimination really?" take it to one of the many many internet cesspits that tolerate that shit

^ ^ ^

What are the dividends on that project btw? Do we have an increase of women posters in the past two years? If yes, then 100% worth it.

― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 22 February 2023 bookmarkflaglink

Pathetic.

I think we are now ready to unpack and discuss Ned's NED joke in the WC thread

I'm pretty sure we are all good people trying their best here, it would be easier if we all started with that assumption. There are ways of correcting unlikeable behaviour that doesn't require 'policing' per se.

I definitely don’t think you’re a good person, fwiw

Jesus fucking Christ lol

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What’s funniest is that in many ways I agree with the first part of VHS’s statement— I do think most of us here are fine enough people, and even if we’re bad or wrong or difficult at times, that’s life. But there are some ideological positions that have no truck with me and for which I assume the worst in people, and VHS has shown themselves to support those positions at one time or another. So be it.

Really tho, I do like most of you, if you ever find yourself in Philly I will buy you a drink and introduce you to my cute dogs.

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Really tho, I do like most of you, if you ever find yourself in Philly I will buy you a drink and introduce you to my cute dogs.

― Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table),

at the same time?!

The dogs are bartenders

woof!

it's Philly, the dogs are allowed into the bar

There are ways of correcting unlikeable behaviour that doesn't require 'policing' per se.

― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 22 February 2023 bookmarkflaglink

This is just nonsense. What are the other ways?

You don't like a post? Say something. It's nowhere near 'policing'.

gyac otm

Yes, I think unperson could have made their point with less transgressive language and no on would have had a problem with it.

Can these dogs mix a proper Negroni

I mean, this is an important question before we proceed much further

There are ways of correcting unlikeable behaviour that doesn't require 'policing' per se.

― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 22 February 2023 bookmarkflaglink

This is just nonsense. What are the other ways?

You don't like a post? Say something. It's nowhere near 'policing'.

might as say the n word with abandon, we’re just pretending to be somebody who says that word!

and by “called out” I don’t necessarily mean a long winded boring self righteous parenting speech. I mainly just mean like “hey check yourself” kind of thing

xp I wasn’t sure if you were trolling with your truth bombs post & now that I know you weren’t, I just want to say thanks for getting what I was not saying explicitly

tbc when I otm'ed this comment:

just wondering how some people have the mental fortitude to pick fights with people over basically nothing on a daily basis. what do they get out of it? is it fun? I couldn't live my life like that.

― even the birds in the trees seemed to whisper "get fucked" (bovarism),

I had the U.S. politics thread in mind, though even that thread's been quiet.

pick fights with people over basically nothing on a daily basis

Um, isn't that like 17% of the internet?

The rest is porn and cat memes as far as I can tell.

Just take a fucking L dude.

Good advice, often difficult to take.

people struggle with taking L and apologizing (me included) because the other person is essential saying: "what you said wasn't acceptable and upset me - please do better" - perhaps harshly, but that's the essence of what is said.

and the person on the other end hears (even though it wasn't said or implied):

"You're an awful, irredeemable person, and I am done with you, and I am encouraging everybody else to never speak to you again as well - I hope you die alone!"

(which, ok, there are definitely bizarre wings of the internet, even social media, which treats every single conflict as earth-shattering and friendship-ending, but it's unfair to project that where it's not occurring)

obviously a lot plays into that, the stress of every day life having multiplied at a exponential rate in the last decade has many people highly wound and sometimes that hurts with processing this, but we have to do it anyway, and I regret the times I chose to instead blow up at people which is the wrong way to do it

xp I wasn’t sure if you were trolling with your truth bombs post & now that I know you weren’t, I just want to say thanks for getting what I was not saying explicitly

― better than whoever you are (gyac), Thursday, February 23, 2023 11:09 AM (thirty-three minutes ago)

gyac, I've been regretting that post since I made it, and I apologize. I was flustered and confused by the response it got, but I shouldn't have posted it in the first place and obscured the sexist dynamic you were describing. I also regret decontextualizing a post of yours without thinking about the possibility it might send negative attention your way; that was stupid of me (though I do think what you wrote qualified for the thread).

And yes, thank you to brimstead for responding appropriately

It’s ok rob, you are pretty sound and I know it wasn’t intentional. It kind of illustrated that thing I am always complaining about!

<3 thank you for being understanding!

the other person is essential saying: "what you said wasn't acceptable and upset me - please do better" - perhaps harshly, but that's the essence of what is said.

otm ... I know I have a tendency to blow up and lash out, and on ilx, I do think for the most part (in terms of contexts, not individual posters) ilx is good people, and when someone makes an "unacceptable" post, I try to de-escalate the situation and point it out in a way that is potentially less embarrassing to the person who made it ... there is so much garbage and misery outside of ilx, I don't really feel like increasing the garbage and misery on ilx.

But that's me ... and just because I have chosen to be more chill about things like young pussy, doesn't mean that I expect everyone else to handle upsetting posts the way I do. And dudes that emulate the traditional misogyny in our cultures ... should be prepared for responses like gyac's.

as in, I think all ilxors are good people in some contexts, but not all the time.

Otm. I also think hyperfocusing on whether you are a "good" person is counterproductive because it's binary thinking, plus implies a finality to that label when in reality the quality of your character is an always-evolving thing.

I am guilty of this mostly due to my anxiety/OCD symptoms but I feel better when I simply make my goal to help and prevent harm to others and just admit when I fell short.

But...in this social media age we tend to like easy labels sometimes.

I would like to point out that I generally try, with perhaps one exception, to criticise people’s posts, rather than the person themselves.

I don’t understand why some find this such a hard distinction, or whether the person is a good person irl matters. I mean, I’m sure they are, but it’s not relevant to the side of them they’re choosing to show on ilx, which is the only side we know in most cases. I know some of you irl now which is great, but then again the people I tend to gravitate to for that don’t tend to make these kinds of posts. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

And finally, I like how my posts are quite calm and tbh even bland and yet several of the responders have characterised them as “shouting”, obtuse or otherwise irrational. I know that just one point has been discussed to death here but the attitudes are the issue - the comment I quoted was a useful example but it certainly wasn’t the only one.

Tbh I think it was clear you were criticizing their posts in what they wrote.

Otm about "good person" being a red herring in the convo

I like how my posts are quite calm and tbh even bland

tbf they do not read as "calm" or "bland" ... though the fact you feel that they are makes your responses to others' defensiveness and criticism make a lot more sense to me

Yeah I didn’t mince my words, but that’s not what I’m talking about. A reply can be angry and not crossing the line into a frothing rant, you know? And to read the very deliberate comment that I was “shouting” - yeah, I know exactly what’s going on there and so should you.

I think of this exact scene in the TV version of Dear White People where a mixed group of students at a party listening to rap and one of the white students says the n-word as he's rapping along to the song.

His Black friend tells him gently, with a smile, "don't say that word", and instead of saying "oh sorry", he starts focusing on how it hurts that the guy is suggesting he's racist and he begins escalating the Convo until a fight breaks out.

That seems to be how these things always go.

And to read the very deliberate comment that I was “shouting” - yeah, I know exactly what’s going on there and so should you.

oh ... yeah ... there were a bunch of different people piling on and I wasn't keeping track of all of it ... but for sure, being told you are "shouting" when you, as a woman in a field of dudes, tend to be ignored or have dudes speak over you, that is problematic af.

His Black friend tells him gently, with a smile, "don't say that word", and instead of saying "oh sorry", he starts focusing on how it hurts that the guy is suggesting he's racist and he begins escalating the Convo until a fight breaks out.

yeah, that was ... there were a lot of good bits in that show!

I don't know why it is that certain threads about things (music/films/etc.) which I like become completely unbearable to read, to the extent that I swear never to open them again, but I suspect this may be the one case where the problem isn't just with me.

Threads about stuff I hate otoh are always fine.

srsly it's easier when the stakes are less personal sometimes

key reason why I don’t vote in the music polls anymore tbh

Also w movies or shows too much of the threads can be spent patiently explaining obvious things to people who don’t get it