Monty Python's Flying Circus - Classic or Dud?

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I must resurrect this thread for this:

http://web.ukonline.co.uk/sotcaa/python.html

The above link is of a truly incredible website that examines the production of the shows, movies and records, with fantastically detailed examinations of various edits, out-takes, alternate versions of episodes/records, acres of quotes from actual rehearsal scripts featuring - yes! - the Wee-Wee Sketch in full, along with a great big press archive dating back to the very first article ever written about Python in the Radio Times in 1969! It is wonderful and I have spent virtually the whole evening reading it.

Chriddof (Chriddof), Monday, 6 October 2003 21:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

one year passes...
Inflammation of the foreskin
reminds me of your smile
I've had ballanital chancroids
for quite a little while
I gave my heart to NSU
that lovely night in June
I ache for you my darling
and I hope you get well soon.

My penile warts, your herpes
my syphilitic sores
Your moenelial infection
how I miss you more and more
You dobie's itch, my scrumpox
our lovely gonorrhea
At least we both were lying
when we said that we were clear

Our syphilitic kisses
sealed the secret of our tryst
You gave me scrotal pustules
with a quick flick of your wrist
Your trichovaginitis
sent shivers down my spine
I got snail tracks in my anus
when your spirochetes met mine.

Gonococcal urethritis, streptococcal ballinitis,
Meningo myelitis, diplococcal cephalitis,
Epididymitis, interstitial keratitis,
Syphilitic choroiditis, and anterior u-ve-i-tis.

My clapped out genitalia
is not so bad for me
As the complete and utter failure
every time I try to pee.
My doctor says my buboes
are the worst he's ever seen
My scrotum's painted orange
and my balls are turning green.

My heart is very tender
though my parts are awful raw
You might have been infected
but you never were a bore
I'm dying of your love my love
I'm your spirochaetal clown
I've left my body to science
but I'm afraid they've turned it down.

Gonococcal urethritis, streptococcal ballinitis,
Meningo myelitis, diplococcal cephalitis,
Epididymitis, interstitial keratitis,
Syphilitic choroiditis, and anterior u-ve-i-tis.

"Medical Love Song," I salute you.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 26 May 2005 04:39 (nineteen years ago) link

one year passes...
I read that coffee table book about Monty Python with lots of nice pictures and nothing but interviews. It was a cool read. Interesting to read about how the writing actually worked. Jones & Palin were one writing team, while Cleese & Gilliam & Graham were another, although apparently Graham was quite an alcoholic and didn't do all that much in the writing department.

One story: when King Arthur crossed the rope bridge, it was actually an extra, as Graham was suffering from the shakes and couldn't really perform that day.

Cleese fought to play Brian in TLOB, but he was shouted down.
Eric Idle wrote strictly on his own, and out of all five, he's the only one who comes across as a primadonna and an arrogant jerk. He seems to despise Cleese with a passion, and always blames Cleese for any trial or tribulation suffered by the group, usually contradicting all four of the other pythons.

Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Friday, 15 September 2006 02:01 (eighteen years ago) link

i hate to say it but MP is one of those things that would be absolutely classic if no one else had ever heard of it.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 15 September 2006 02:04 (eighteen years ago) link

There's definitely a lot of detritus in the Flying Circus, but I feel it's an essential by-product of the process they used to create their best sketches, which, as far as I can tell, consisted of wholly unbridled, anything goes silliness.

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Friday, 15 September 2006 02:06 (eighteen years ago) link

my friend recently drove cleese around for a festival and she said he was the nicest guy you could ever hope to meet. he sounded just awesome.

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 15 September 2006 02:08 (eighteen years ago) link

Ah, now that's good to hear.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 15 September 2006 02:10 (eighteen years ago) link

I recently saw a documentary with Cleese in it about Lemurs. I can't say he was hilarious, but his jokes certainly spiced what could be a dull proceeding, and it was great how he got the various scientists to go into hysterics.

Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Friday, 15 September 2006 02:15 (eighteen years ago) link

Makes me wonder how those Terry Jones historical things are.

Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Friday, 15 September 2006 02:15 (eighteen years ago) link

Maybe six or seven years ago, I heard an interview with Cleese in which he more or less said he felt he'd lost his edge in terms of humor. What he said was kind of sad and the gist of it has stayed with me since then, something VERY loosely along the lines of "When you're young, you notice all these little inconsistencies in the world, things that aren't quite right, people who don't quite seem to know what they're doing, and you can derive humor from that. But when you get older, you start to realize that nothing is really right at all, that no one has any idea what they're doing, and then it stops seeming as funny."

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Friday, 15 September 2006 02:25 (eighteen years ago) link

In light of that, maybe he's a classic example of someone not writing much because he knows he just doesn't have much to say?
which is great, as opposed to pumping out material devil may care.

Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Friday, 15 September 2006 02:30 (eighteen years ago) link

Which is what some of the other Pythoners seem to do.

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Friday, 15 September 2006 02:44 (eighteen years ago) link

I mean, Spamalot - is Eric Idle the Mike Love of comedy or what?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 15 September 2006 10:03 (eighteen years ago) link

When you're young, you notice all these little inconsistencies in the world, things that aren't quite right, people who don't quite seem to know what they're doing, and you can derive humor from that. But when you get older, you start to realize that nothing is really right at all, that no one has any idea what they're doing, and then it stops seeming as funny."

This--and I know you're just paraphrasing--is fucking brilliant.

g00blar (gooblar), Friday, 15 September 2006 10:08 (eighteen years ago) link

Similar thoughts went through my mind watching the first episode of the second series of Extras last night.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 15 September 2006 10:18 (eighteen years ago) link

The big article in the Guardian by Dave Eggers was interesting mostly in that it alleges they're quite pally, and doesn't paint Eric Idle as a complete cunt.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 15 September 2006 10:19 (eighteen years ago) link

I mean, Spamalot - is Eric Idle the Mike Love of comedy or what?

ask neil innes!

This--and I know you're just paraphrasing--is fucking brilliant.

agreed!

i am not a nugget (stevie), Friday, 15 September 2006 10:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Yes, well you can't rely on what Dave Eggers says, can you?

In Idle's defence, he was responsible for one of the great TOTP performances - "Always Look On The Bright Side Of Life" where he systematically demolished the stage set.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 15 September 2006 10:25 (eighteen years ago) link

about the only python related anything I can stomach anymore are michael palin's travel series, which are really fascinating. too much python in adolesence kind of spoils it for the rest of your life...maybe I'll come around again, some day.

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 15 September 2006 12:29 (eighteen years ago) link

The Python episode featuring Palin as a cyclist kind of spoiled Palin's travel series for me.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 15 September 2006 12:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Makes me wonder how those Terry Jones historical things are.

Very pleasant and likeable, in the same way Palin's travelogues are very pleasant and likeable. Jones and Palin are still very good friends, I believe.

chap who would dare to start Raaatpackin (chap), Friday, 15 September 2006 14:45 (eighteen years ago) link

Here's a really good recent interview with Michael Palin: http://www.idler.co.uk/archives/?page_id=157

M Carty (mj_c), Friday, 15 September 2006 15:05 (eighteen years ago) link

In Idle's defence, he was responsible for one of the great TOTP performances - "Always Look On The Bright Side Of Life" where he systematically demolished the stage set.

Agreed. I was so happy to see that at long last, having heard about it for years.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 15 September 2006 15:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Eric Idle, This paraphrased from a rutles thread on ILM...

Basically the dispute between him and Innes is well known, and I watched the Rutles with the "director's commentary" i.e. Idle's, and two things struck me:

1) No mention at all of Innes
2) or anybody else who did non-oncreen work.


Until about halfway through when he discusses Innes' wonderful songs, the co-director's work and everyone else. Ah well, I guess he warmed up.

Oh, and 4) It actually isn't unfair to claim he wrote it, as there is a great deal in it that isn't purely beatlessong or story.

Also, that he 'idly' pondered getting out all the out-takes and extras and making a sequel. "YOU NUTS??" I thought.... (It's easy to think this bloke chatting over the film is in the chair next to you)..

So I look up on Amazon, IMDB etc, and that is exactly what he did do. And how dreadful the reviews were for it.

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 15 September 2006 15:15 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...

Monty Python & Stephanie Edwards hosting A.M. America in 1975. Includes bonus Peter Jennings reporting on the fall of Saigon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfmS-DM8Jc0

Elvis Telecom, Friday, 8 August 2008 16:05 (sixteen years ago) link

My son has just started watching Monty Python and repeating the lines as I did as an irritating teenager (although he's only 11) and indeed still do as an irritating 40 something. It was one of the first programmes I was allowed to stay up and watch back in the early 70s. The circle is unbroken.

Ned Trifle II, Friday, 8 August 2008 18:38 (sixteen years ago) link

palin's 70s diary rocks. great book to have on a pain-in-the-arse long journey.

piscesx, Sunday, 10 August 2008 06:02 (sixteen years ago) link

three months pass...

Monty Python Youtube Channel Launches

Manchego Bay (G00blar), Friday, 21 November 2008 13:00 (fifteen years ago) link

two months pass...

holy fuck was the series lame. dig the movies, but i hadn't properly sat down to watch eps of the actual MPFC in aeons. so far not a single lol.

total classic, btw. as I have written elsewhere recently, almost unspeakably *important* at times.

― robin carmody (robin carmody), Monday, September 1, 2003 1:12 AM (5 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

wonder what he meant. maybe it was the comedy working-class accents or preponderance of loldolly-birds.

special guest stars mark bronson, Monday, 9 February 2009 11:06 (fifteen years ago) link

the rutles movie is a stinker as well.

special guest stars mark bronson, Monday, 9 February 2009 11:06 (fifteen years ago) link

Would you leave your kids with Eric Idle alright?

Bernard Braden Misreads Stephen Leacock (Marcello Carlin), Monday, 9 February 2009 11:08 (fifteen years ago) link

It matters not which Python's were right bastards and which were nice guys, the comedy is still funny after all these decades (at least whatever was funny the first time through) and that is quite a feat. Classic, obv.

Aimless, Monday, 9 February 2009 18:08 (fifteen years ago) link

nrq keeps rong streak goin

Dr Morbius, Monday, 9 February 2009 18:29 (fifteen years ago) link

the series beats any of the movies (as well as just about any other sketch comedy) any day.

i love how brits frantically detest any comedian of theirs with overseas appeal, then turn around and lionize shit like "friends."

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 9 February 2009 21:43 (fifteen years ago) link

TS: Benny Hill vs Curb yr Enthusiasm

Mark G, Tuesday, 10 February 2009 09:28 (fifteen years ago) link

i love how brits frantically detest any comedian of theirs with overseas appeal, then turn around and lionize shit like "friends."

Yeah, we ALL do that.

The Unbelievably Insensitive Baroness Vadera (Ned Trifle II), Tuesday, 10 February 2009 09:45 (fifteen years ago) link

Because americans never lionised Friends or anything.

The Unbelievably Insensitive Baroness Vadera (Ned Trifle II), Tuesday, 10 February 2009 09:46 (fifteen years ago) link

so far not a single lol.

And you, so renowned for your gaiety and hearty sense of humour

Vicious Cop Kills Gentle Fool (Tom D.), Tuesday, 10 February 2009 10:26 (fifteen years ago) link

seven months pass...

John Cleese, who at 70 is the oldest of the group, in addition to appearing in movies and sitcoms and making golf-ball commercials, sometimes turns into a cranky old buffer complaining about cultural decline and Britain’s tabloids. He doesn’t watch much comedy anymore. “As you get older you laugh less,” he says, “because you’ve heard most of the jokes before."

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/04/arts/television/04mcgr.html?pagewanted=all

You see, this is why *I* am watching less comedy...

A Patch on Blazing Saddles (Dr Morbius), Monday, 5 October 2009 13:11 (fifteen years ago) link

Is it NY Times house style to call everyone "Mr."?

Michael Jones, Monday, 5 October 2009 14:06 (fifteen years ago) link

Very much so. Especially if you are female.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 5 October 2009 14:14 (fifteen years ago) link

I remember when their Iggy reviews called him "Mr. Osterberg."

A Patch on Blazing Saddles (Dr Morbius), Monday, 5 October 2009 15:15 (fifteen years ago) link

I'm told they used to add "Mr." and such even to one-name celebrities, thus Mr. Meatloaf, Ms. Cher, etc, but I'm not sure I believe this.

Nemo, Monday, 5 October 2009 15:28 (fifteen years ago) link

Mr Cent.

Mark G, Monday, 5 October 2009 15:31 (fifteen years ago) link

Mr Mr Mr, the famous band

Brewer's Bitch (darraghmac), Monday, 5 October 2009 15:32 (fifteen years ago) link

“As you get older you laugh less,”

Soon we die.

boring movies are the most boring (Eric H.), Monday, 5 October 2009 17:00 (fifteen years ago) link

Hahaha and I know exactly the tone of voice in which you say that...

Ned Raggett, Monday, 5 October 2009 17:02 (fifteen years ago) link

I know you do, and you know why i agonized over "we" vs. "you," and now fear I may have chosen the wrong word.

boring movies are the most boring (Eric H.), Monday, 5 October 2009 17:15 (fifteen years ago) link

You should really just relax.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 5 October 2009 17:17 (fifteen years ago) link

Death relaxes you like nothing else can. Your bladder and bowels, too.

Aimless, Monday, 5 October 2009 17:22 (fifteen years ago) link


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