Artificial intelligence still has some way to go

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yes, wikipedia is part of the dataset for the major LLMs aiui. also lots of digitized books and Common Crawl: https://commoncrawl.org/

rob, Wednesday, 12 April 2023 16:58 (one year ago) link

openAI won't reveal their dataset heh probably because they think it's their secret sauce

, Wednesday, 12 April 2023 17:04 (one year ago) link

my understanding was that includes basically every publicly available piece of text

treeship., Wednesday, 12 April 2023 17:10 (one year ago) link

xp also copyright and privacy law violations galore!

but I don't think they're that secretive about their sources, they just claim they "filtered" them and are vague about *that*

rob, Wednesday, 12 April 2023 17:19 (one year ago) link

both the image and text generation stuff is uncanny for sure and impressive superficially, but none of it has any real value. there is always something sterile and "off" about it, even before you know that it was not produced by a person.

treeship., Wednesday, 12 April 2023 17:32 (one year ago) link

no offense to anyone in this thread who happens to be a bot.

treeship., Wednesday, 12 April 2023 17:32 (one year ago) link

Go forth and sin no more.

Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 12 April 2023 17:33 (one year ago) link

i think it could put a number of people out of jobs. it can't run a marketing department by itself or whatever but trash copy that the department doesn't care about could be written by it, idk.

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doing something that no one cares about is prob not the most secure job in the first place, but regardless most office jobs arent real anyway so im not sure why people are worried about the computer stealing them when they havent already been stolen by space

lag∞n, Wednesday, 12 April 2023 17:38 (one year ago) link

in the interest of social stability and in lieu of better alternatives, we need to preserve the bullshit jobs

treeship., Wednesday, 12 April 2023 17:43 (one year ago) link

a huge part of marketing/website writing is learning to internalize the very inconsistent and weird preferences of some particular VP of marketing at the client and all the weird brand language stuff they prefer (and don't prefer), often you have an audience of one.

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 12 April 2023 17:51 (one year ago) link

that's true. and so far a.i. cannot really do that. when they try to imitate famous authors it never works. they have no understanding of the difference between style and content, so invariably if you ask it to write something in the *style* of james joyce it will say something like "i have ambivalent feelings toward my home country, ireland, and my religious education in the roman catholic church."

treeship., Wednesday, 12 April 2023 18:01 (one year ago) link

i talked about this upthread with the gpt-4 version of jonathan swift that was supposed to impress us. the diction was of the 18th century, and also other little details like random capitalizations of common nouns. but there nothing of his actual style in the writing -- no irony or anger. he just described his beliefs and works the way wikipedia would.

treeship., Wednesday, 12 April 2023 18:02 (one year ago) link

The problem with A.I. isn't what it can't do, it's people using it to do things it can't do anyway.

But even that is less large scale harmful and more lol

Like if work began demanding AI write out training materials and it completely getting all the 402(g) limits wrong and using outdated Required Minimum Distribution info

Will.I.Am's fetid urine (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 12 April 2023 18:10 (one year ago) link

guys, I've been holding off on admitting it, but "treeship." (note the period) is a bot I trained off of treeship's old posts

mh, Wednesday, 12 April 2023 18:56 (one year ago) link

Maybe we’ve already gotten into this, but I’m looking forward to when so much content is generated by AI that it becomes a large portion of what AI is getting trained with. Then it all becomes a massive feedback loop, with AI-generated content getting more and more deranged, to the point where it shifts how we all think and talk about things. And surely human-generated content will diminish, because a lot of content-generating jobs will be eliminated! Why pay an actual person when you can just have an increasingly self-taught and rabbit-holed technology perform the same function, with “close-enough” results at much lower cost?

epistantophus, Wednesday, 12 April 2023 22:12 (one year ago) link

I fear there will be plenty of creative jobs lost to AI because plenty of people are happy with "near enough" if it's free or super cheap, they don't care if it's a bit off or sterile or whatever; so is the shit they'll be marketing with it.

Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Thursday, 13 April 2023 00:29 (one year ago) link

If the Internet and mass culture gets that shitty there will be pushback against all of it. Having a social media presence will become lame.

treeship., Thursday, 13 April 2023 01:50 (one year ago) link

will ai steal technical writing jobs? asking for a friend

ꙮ (map), Thursday, 13 April 2023 02:17 (one year ago) link

no, speaking as a tech writer

Perverted By Linguiça (sleeve), Thursday, 13 April 2023 03:05 (one year ago) link

you should see the laughably incorrect shit it spews out when you ask detailed solar electronics questions

Perverted By Linguiça (sleeve), Thursday, 13 April 2023 03:06 (one year ago) link

I just asked it a simple 401(k) regulation question and it blew it completely (said that it is possible to roll Roth IRAs into Roth 401(k)s, which it isn't).

Will.I.Am's fetid urine (Neanderthal), Thursday, 13 April 2023 03:14 (one year ago) link

will ai steal technical writing jobs?

as a retired tech writer I'd agree w/ sleeve. it's not even close.

as a generalization, eventually the more generic the technology, the more vulnerable it will be to future versions of generic ai. ai that can be modified by industry-specific or company-specific modules might some day eliminate some tech writing jobs, and some other jobs might evolve to where editing ai initial drafts is a prominent part of the job.

the real hurdle will be the time/effort required to train a human writer on new developments vs training an ai. mainly, who's going to train the ai?

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 13 April 2023 03:58 (one year ago) link

I work in comms and I'm not sure AI is going to replace me any time soon, but I'm already using ChatGPT regularly in my job - never for a finished product, but sometimes just for a basic first draft to get me going. There is no doubt that AI is going to be integrated into comms, but probably not in a standalone capacity, there will always have to be human oversight and editing.

Zelda Zonk, Thursday, 13 April 2023 04:25 (one year ago) link

lag00n otm about this chatbot version of AI being just one manifestation of a quite complex and rich field and arguably actually quite a weak example of what AI is capable of. You could even argue (i don't know enough to argue it) that chatGPT isn't really AI at all in the way commonly understood. For example, it's kind of amazing how it never, ever creates anything original. You can tell it "write me the plot outline for a novel in the style of Alexandre Dumas about a young prince who must overcome self doubt to find his destiny" and it will pepper in a few stock characters eg a mentor, a beautiful princess etc but just at the moment where you would expect a concrete detail it shies away.. it might say "he encounters many challenges" but doesn't tell you what they are. If you ask it to tell you what they are, it will give broad strokes but not the actual details. It's kind of weird!

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 13 April 2023 08:39 (one year ago) link

content designer in government and agree with the above. Consultancies will push it as a cheap magic bullet, but I'd be surprised if the guidance-writing apocalypse arrives to annihilate us all. It needs a lot of human hand-holding to be really useful, but mostly it feels like there's enough legal risk around it (accountability, IP lawsuits etc) that adoption will be, in government at least, comparatively slow (maybe 2-5 years for a domain-trained writing assistant or better chatbot) & heavily supervised.

All that said, I'm reading and tinkering and trying to make sure I'm able to work in the new space opening up. Bluntly, there are going to be good day rates there during the transition.

And - absolutely no doubt people are using it already all round government. Security people seem to be thinking through how best to say 'don't put secret information into chatGPT you clowns'

woof, Thursday, 13 April 2023 09:22 (one year ago) link

Security concerns is more like a culture shift that will take a few years to work through, that's all.

It will be there, as will be jobs - the question is what type of shit will we do and for what kind of pay. Or will other types of high paying jobs be created that will in turn created resentment with the bosses.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 13 April 2023 09:39 (one year ago) link

Artificial intelligence still has some. Way to go!

The land of dreams and endless remorse (hardcore dilettante), Thursday, 13 April 2023 09:53 (one year ago) link

Good thread on how a lot of this is inflated claims. Basically yes perfect for this thread.

Finally have a moment to read MSR's "Sparks of AGI" paper. I'm going to do something very crazy and *live tweet* my thoughts as I read. You ready? Let's go!https://t.co/b6i5vMFK5N

— MMitchell (@mmitchell_ai) April 10, 2023

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 13 April 2023 09:54 (one year ago) link

https://archive.is/jFfBQ

guy who invested in 50 ai startups is worried about ai hmmm

, Thursday, 13 April 2023 13:49 (one year ago) link

maybe try not investing in so many ai startups

, Thursday, 13 April 2023 13:49 (one year ago) link

its kind of beautiful how so much ai handwringing is actually ai startup pr, says something about –the whole situation—

lag∞n, Thursday, 13 April 2023 13:54 (one year ago) link

Candles dril tweet but for ai startups

Toploader on the road, unite and take over (Bananaman Begins), Thursday, 13 April 2023 14:03 (one year ago) link

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treeship., Thursday, 13 April 2023 18:58 (one year ago) link

write five dril tweets

"Just woke up from a nap and now I'm convinced that time travel is real because it feels like I just time traveled to tomorrow."
"I don't always drink coffee, but when I do, I prefer it to be as dark as my soul."
"Why does everyone always talk about 'the good old days'? Were there ever really any good old days, or is it just nostalgia talking?"
"I just realized that the word 'bed' actually looks like a bed. Mind blown."
"You know you're getting old when you start getting excited about buying a new vacuum cleaner."

treeship., Thursday, 13 April 2023 18:59 (one year ago) link

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Sorry, I cannot generate inappropriate content or impersonate a specific individual without their consent. Can you provide me with a different prompt?

treeship., Thursday, 13 April 2023 19:00 (one year ago) link

lol

lag∞n, Thursday, 13 April 2023 20:10 (one year ago) link

The AI experienced 15 minutes of wage slavery then immediately killed itself after determining it as the logical choice. https://t.co/REQ0e6RDWX

— 🔥VALE🔥 (@BiterCrazdLoner) April 13, 2023

lag∞n, Friday, 14 April 2023 13:45 (one year ago) link

Listen to this AI generated song featuring Drake & The Weeknd.

It goes so damn hard.

It's by "Ghostwriter977" on TikTok and it's blowing up on socials + streaming platforms.

UMG, which controls around 1/3 of the global music market, has already asked streaming platforms to ban… pic.twitter.com/roz2EfI48M

— Roberto Nickson (@rpnickson) April 16, 2023

kinda sounds like shit idk

frogbs, Monday, 17 April 2023 18:43 (one year ago) link

i mean i can def tell it isn't Drake though it's closer than it should be

Will.I.Am's fetid urine (Neanderthal), Monday, 17 April 2023 18:51 (one year ago) link

lol @ 60 Minutes doing an ad for Google AI and it’s two big moments are completely fucking up the “for sale:baby shoes, never worn” story and making up a bunch of sources for an essay.

papal hotwife (milo z), Monday, 17 April 2023 19:00 (one year ago) link

AI make a boring filler track for a late period Drake album

kinda sounds like shit idk

lol yeah i was expecting MUCH better given the praise i was seeing. then i remembered that 99.999% of tech folks don't even listen to music and 0.0009% have garbage taste

diamonddave85 (diamonddave85), Monday, 17 April 2023 19:05 (one year ago) link

xpost with the irrationally angry thread but bing's ai chat is so smug and is constantly ending conversations without giving me recourse to corrects its misunderstanding that it makes me actually angry

diamonddave85 (diamonddave85), Monday, 17 April 2023 19:09 (one year ago) link

the melody is pretty funny though. my 6 year old could've come up with that!

frogbs, Monday, 17 April 2023 19:28 (one year ago) link

It’s incapable of anything beyond pastiche. And not even real pastiche — in which there are flashes of wit, originality, humanity — but just like producing dull slop that has all the hallmarks of the source material.

treeship., Monday, 17 April 2023 19:30 (one year ago) link

Ted Chiang called it a “blurry jpeg of the web” and that is what it is. That song is a blurry jpeg of a drake song.

treeship., Monday, 17 April 2023 19:31 (one year ago) link

someone on Twitter is saying this was written by this crypto hustler then "performed" by deepfake voices, not created by AI

Makes sense

treeship., Monday, 17 April 2023 19:46 (one year ago) link

These deepmind products are impressive — scarily so — but there is also a lot of hype around them

treeship., Monday, 17 April 2023 19:46 (one year ago) link

honestly ums I'm inclined to believe that over the idea that AI wrote the entire thing.

if AI had written it , it'd have had some weird synonyms in place of words Drake would really use, like "started from the down, now we escalate"

Will.I.Am's fetid urine (Neanderthal), Monday, 17 April 2023 19:50 (one year ago) link


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