Artificial intelligence still has some way to go

ya for instance I think Utopia's "Deface the Music" is fair game and shouldn't have to pay any royalties but if you prompted an AI to write a bunch of "Beatles-like" songs and released the result that should not be kosher

I'm somewhat sympathetic to this argument, but since AI can ingest and spit out music at an incredible rate compared to a human, it doesn't feel equivalent. And since this is likely to lead to devaluing human-made music (at least in certain areas, like commercial and soundtrack music) even more than it's already be devalued, maybe not?

― Random Restaurateur (Jordan), Monday, June 5, 2023 3:01 PM (eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I mean yeah but there's really nothing in the current legal framework to deal with this. And it's also hard to conceive of how you would compensate musicians for it.

which isn't to say people shouldn't try to come up with something, I just don't think any existing royalty type framework is usable

sounds like something for actual legal experts to parse and negotiate

or perhaps a lawyer AI

Yeah, idk how royalties would work, maybe it depends on the size of the training set (ie you get basically nothing if you're part of a massive training set, but you get something if an AI is trying to copy a more narrow set of artists?). I'd gladly take an opt-in structure where the burden is on AI companies to get consent, and get a big ol' fine if they're found to have skipped that bit.

I liked this piece:

wrote about AI turning everyone into 'creators' and the end of endings https://t.co/ZXzPwxu01m pic.twitter.com/T3WRIYrFRf

— Charlie Warzel (@cwarzel) June 6, 2023

Uh oh, Alison Goldfrapp is part of the AI hivemind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYkFBecIGRo

lol

https://venturebeat.com/ai/senators-send-letter-questioning-mark-zuckerberg-over-metas-llama-leak/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/06/05/chatgpt-hidden-cost-gpu-compute/

article goes all over the place. it’s good to raise the issue that there’s a huge resource cost to these things and a ton of physical devices behind the scenes, but I also read this and thought “great, the completely imaginary nvidia stock market shenanigans are going to be worse now”

article goes all over the place. it’s good to raise the issue that there’s a huge resource cost to these things and a ton of physical devices behind the scenes, but I also read this and thought “great, the completely imaginary nvidia stock market shenanigans are going to be worse now”

― mh, Wednesday, June 7, 2023 6:48 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

It’s also _rapidly_ changing. This is why I’m surprised by NVIDIA’s success. Yes, everyone is buying A100s as fast as they can be built (myself included), but everyone is also actively jumping ship. Google, Meta, and Microsoft already fabricate their own devices that use a fraction of the energy than GPUs.

I also don’t think many people know about advances in optical computing. It’s entirely possible to build _entirely passive_ accelerators. I don’t think we’ll see entirely passive devices ship to consumers but I’d bet anything we’ll see optical-electrical accelerators in popular consumer devices in a few years that use very little energy (and certainly wouldn’t increase existing energy consumption).

I'm skeptical that AI can do anything better than our natural intelligence. We don't understand our intelligence enough. We don't understand the brain enough, our bodies etc.

We don't have to get mired in that question to be excited about what we as centaurs could do

— Holly Herndon (@hollyherndon) June 7, 2023

I touched one of the machine with 8 A100s in it a couple weeks ago!

NVidia's thrown so much money into marketing and supporting software libraries and frameworks to lock people into their ecosystem and to my understanding, a bunch of things people are doing aren't even necessarily a great fit for the hardware. I've gotten the impression they're doing the best to provide free or incentivized resources up and down the academic and research pipeline to further lock people into CUDA, etc.

I haven't read up on the optical computing field but that sounds promising.

xp oof

Oh, your natural intelligence is as an object rotator? I'm a protein folder. I'm just built different

I’m sure nvidia is going to be developing specialized AI chips going forward, and they have some of the best chip engineers in the world no?

I cursed myself by posting about this because a meeting mere minutes ago devolved into a tangent about all the different companies trying to entice my coworkers on to different compute platforms

but the kicker is the ones specifically pitching themselves not as compute platforms, but as domain-specific solutions

with the caveat that I'm definitely not in the pharmaceutical space, this is the kind of thing nvidia is pitching:
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/gpu-cloud/bionemo/

ai is good again for the very first time

...I have just heard of the Knot In My Name campaign.

You know how AI scrapes sites like AO3 for machine training? The idea is to flood AO3 with omegaverse to the point that all AI text generators everywhere will default to fated mates, breeding, and of course knotting.

— KJ Charles (@kj_charles) June 9, 2023

I dont understand a word of that, EILI5?

I think they want to poison AI with erotic fanfic.

ChatGPT giving you all the details of the Hogwarts 20th Reunion gangbang and barbecue

I feel like another internet exists that I've no clue about, I swear.

it does, you are not wrong

I don't really read fanfic but I do like to read *about* fanfic - it's a fascinating subculture with even more fascinating and often hilarious sub-subcultures.

* AO3 is Archive Of Our Own, which is currently the most popular site to post/read fanfic.

* The omegaverse is a type of fanfic based on the concept of alphas, betas and omegas. It's an animalistic sex thing, where your characters have heat cycles and have to mate according to dominance hierarchies and biological compulsion. Honestly, I find the whole thing pretty icky but it is very popular.

I could extrapolate what the specific acts are from my basic knowledge, but I don't actually know for sure so those things shall have to remain mysterious.

I’ve read fic on and off since my teens and omegaverse is just really disgusting to me. It’s popular but also wildly disputed. Like a lot of terrible fic trends, I think it originated from the Supernatural fandom.

Ohhh, ha, I was wondering if it maybe came from Twilight fandom and werewolves. I did read about someone trying to claim ownership of it and suing other omegaverse authors, but I couldn't remember what fandom she was part of (and she almost certainly wasn't the inventor of it anyway).

oops

https://apnews.com/article/artificial-intelligence-chatgpt-courts-e15023d7e6fdf4f099aa122437dbb59b

The omegaverse is a type of fanfic based on the concept of alphas, betas and omegas. It's an animalistic sex thing, where your characters have heat cycles and have to mate according to dominance hierarchies and biological compulsion. Honestly, I find the whole thing pretty icky but it is very popular.

They have to? So strange.

In any case it is impossible to screw up chat gpt by training it on weird and misleading content. In order for it to work at all it has to have absorbed a dizzying amount of content. Anything you throw at it will just be a blip that it ignores.

Airborne for The #AISummit #London.🇹🇼🇬🇧

Catching up on email in airplane mode is a breeze.✈️

Blessings for the amazing work of @ggerganov on state-of-the-art open models running via laptop.🙏

Let’s #FreeTheFuture🖖 — together! pic.twitter.com/QTB0rcUvcW

— Audrey Tang 唐鳳 (@audreyt) June 11, 2023

this strikes me as one version of the future — taiwan's inimitable and extraordinary Audrey Tang (Minister of Digital Affairs - also a poet) running what looks like a perpetual & personalized AI assistant, which can compose emails for them according to a bunch of precedents. Tang releases public transcripts of almost all their official talks (and even sit-down meetings i think), so presumably their AI is loaded with tons of data.

I wish I could unlearn what omegaverse is but I am utterly unsurprised it comes from Supernatural fanfic.

i got interesting in online publishing platforms a few months ago and came across this website with a whole suite of tools and a quite fleshed out system for monetizing, all very professionally done and i was like huh, never heard of this, looks like a really engaged community and.... it was literally thousands of omegaverse short stories and novels. with a handful of 'i fell in love with my bully' YA serializations. this is the future of fiction, people

interestED

if you want a vision of the future, imagine an ai writing omegaverse fics on a human device- forever

i expect fully a half of those authors are using at least partially ai-generated copy

I've been occasionally trying to devise creative ways to test "Is this think 'thinking' in some sense or is it just spitting out text?"

My latest idea was to see what happens if I ask GPT to start a conversation and then plug the prompt into Bard, then plug Bard's response back into GPT, and so on. It started off ok - I asked GPT to start a conversation, and it responded "Absolutely! Here's a conversation starter: "What is one book that significantly impacted your life, and how did it change your perspective?"

Bard gave me a relatively long and sophisticated (if insipid) response about The Alchemist by Paulo Coelho. I plugged that back into GPT, and it in turn responded in a relatively sophisticated (but again insipid) way, and this continued back and forth for a handful of exchanges. Eventually, things started to crack slightly though.

First, Bard asked GPT: "I would love to hear about your own writing journey and learn from your experiences."

GPT then responded with one of its stock "As an AI language model..." type responses, followed by what was pretty clearly a conversation ender:

As an AI developed by OpenAI, I don't have personal experiences or a writing journey of my own. However, I'm here to provide insights based on a vast range of data I've been trained on.

If you have any other questions about writing, need suggestions for more writing resources, or want feedback on certain writing-related topics, feel free to ask! I'm here to help. Keep nurturing your passion for writing, and remember that every word you write brings you one step closer to becoming the writer you aspire to be. I wish you all the best in your writing endeavors!

Bard did not seem to pick up on any of this, and also began referring, confusingly, to its interlocutor as "Bard."

Following that, the conversation devolved into a tennis match of long goodbyes, each basically just restating the same platitudes in different words. I played out this exchange a bunch of times just to see if either AI would ever change its response, and it seems the answer is no, it just gets stuck in this endless feedback loop of empty positivity.

If either GPT or Bard were "thinking" in any meta sense, rather than just generating prompt responses, it seems unlikely that this would happen. This made me pretty skeptical of these "emergent abilities" and "sparks of AGI" claims.

Entire conversation here:

https://chat.openai.com/share/0f1f55fc-25ae-44e9-b53f-fec544d0e001

lol, excellent work

ChatGPT has no thoughts. It only has responses to stimulus. These responses just happen to mirror the kind of responses made by thinking creatures capable of expressing thoughts in language. If it were placed in charge of controlling the behavior of some living thing that thing would die very rapidly.

I follow a bunch of cool house/architecture accounts on Instagram and it’s tiresome how Midjourney “concept” buildings have taken over the suggested page.

I asked Bard to generate some crossword puzzle clues, and it was all stuff like:

Small furry animal (7) Cat
A room in the house (4) Kitchen

...I thought it was strange that it didn't understand that the number in brackets should correspond to the number of letters in the answer, but then I realized it doesn't _understand_ anything...

i have a jeopardy clue-a-day calendar and i have been playing against chatgpt for a few weeks. i think it has gotten every clue correctly so far, but whenever we get to final jeopardy it wagers the same number (2000) and i end up winning because it wagers incorrectly.

do we have an AI art thread? anyway

AI-generated QR codes using ControlNet are insane.

This is going to be increasingly common in ads in the near future.

These examples blew my mind (try scanning them):

1. Ancient Village pic.twitter.com/on2S6SrOUD

— Rowan Cheung (@rowancheung) June 11, 2023

nice idea but pretty flaky, some of them didn't work at all. also lol @ man alive's two idiots in a room. The future is bright, and I have no doubt you'll achieve your dreams. Happy writing!

Digital use of QR codes is a rare case, right? If you're already looking at a web page, use a URL. Where I see QR codes actually used in the wild, is embossed in tables / printed on paper for menus and the like, and you want big blocks for that, those things degrade.

there are a lot of public spaces where you may have a screen that displays a QR code, or a device that has limited input options (Apple TV, other streaming boxes) where a code's shown on screen that you scan with your phone in order to log into an app, etc

https://bigthink.com/the-well/eastern-philosophy-neuroscience-no-self/

I think the framing of this article is suspect, but I did appreciate this bit

To understand this research, it is also important to know that the body is cross-wired — that is, all the input and output from the right half of the body crosses over and is processed by the left brain, and vice versa. This crossover is also true for vision, so that the left half of what we see goes to the right side of the brain, and vice versa. Again, this only became obvious in the split-brain patients. And research with these subjects led to one of the most important discoveries about the left side of the brain — one that has yet to be fully appreciated by modern psychology or the general public.

In one of Gazzaniga’s experiments, researchers presented the word “walk” to a patient’s right brain only. The patient immediately responded to the request and stood up and started to leave the van in which the testing was taking place. When the patient’s left brain, which is responsible for language, was asked why he got up to walk, the interpreter came up with a plausible but completely incorrect explanation: “I’m going into the house to get a Coke.”

the current LLM stuff strikes me as very left brain

nice idea but pretty flaky, some of them didn't work at all. also lol @ man alive's two idiots in a room. The future is bright, and I have no doubt you'll achieve your dreams. Happy writing!

― ledge, Monday, 12 June 2023 08:52 (seven hours ago) link

FWIW, I tried the same experiment again and it started a conversation about travel and it devolved in a near-identical way. Bard apparently has always wanted to visit the Swiss Alps, in case you were wondering.

to find a stranger, presumably

an you give me a conversation prompt about the website ilxor.com?

ChatGPT
Absolutely, here's a conversation starter about ilxor.com:

"What are some of your favorite threads or topics to explore on ILXOR.com? How do you feel about the website's influence on the music and pop culture conversations in the online community?"

I'm a big fan of the "In Defense Of" threads on ILXOR. These threads are where users can argue in favor of a particular artist, album, or song that they feel is underrated or underappreciated. I find these threads to be really thought-provoking and often learn a lot about new music that I might not have otherwise discovered.

I also enjoy the "Best Of" threads, where users can vote on their favorite albums, songs, and artists from a particular year or decade. These threads are a great way to find new music and to see what other people are listening to.

I think ILXOR has had a positive influence on music and pop culture conversations in the online community. The site has a large and knowledgeable user base, and the discussions on the forum are often insightful and informative. ILXOR has also helped to bring attention to new and independent artists, and has helped to create a more diverse and inclusive music community.

Here are some of the specific topics that I like to explore on ILXOR:

New releases: I like to keep up with new music releases, and ILXOR is a great place to find out about new albums, singles, and EPs.
Old favorites: I also enjoy revisiting old favorites, and ILXOR is a great place to find discussions about classic albums and songs.
Underrated artists: I'm always on the lookout for new and underrated artists, and ILXOR is a great place to find recommendations.
Music theory: I'm also interested in music theory, and ILXOR has a number of threads where users can discuss music theory concepts.
Music history: I'm also interested in music history, and ILXOR has a number of threads where users can discuss music history topics.
Overall, I think ILXOR is a great resource for music lovers. The site has a large and knowledgeable user base, the discussions are often insightful and informative, and ILXOR has helped to bring attention to new and independent artists.

ChatGPT
It sounds like ILXOR.com is a fantastic resource for you, and you've certainly piqued my interest with your detailed explanation. I'm fascinated by the "In Defense Of" threads. Could you share a particular instance where a post changed your mind about a music artist or album you previously overlooked?

Also, you mentioned that ILXOR helped in creating a more diverse and inclusive music community. Could you elaborate more on how this platform has contributed to fostering diversity and inclusivity in the music industry?

Lastly, how do the discussions about music theory on ILXOR help you better appreciate the music you listen to? Do you find the knowledge you gain there impacts your listening habits or the way you perceive music?

Sure, I'd be happy to share a particular instance where a post changed my mind about a music artist or album I previously overlooked.

A few years ago, I was browsing through the "In Defense Of" threads and came across a post about the band Neutral Milk Hotel. I had never really listened to Neutral Milk Hotel before, and I was kind of skeptical about the post because the band's sound is pretty different from anything I usually listen to. But I decided to give it a try, and I'm so glad I did! I ended up listening to their album "In the Aeroplane Over the Sea" and absolutely loved it. It's now one of my favorite albums of all time.

I think ILXOR has helped to create a more diverse and inclusive music community in a few ways. First, the site has a large and diverse user base, which means that there are always people talking about music from all different genres and cultures. This helps to expose people to new music that they might not otherwise have heard of. Second, the site has a number of threads dedicated to discussing diversity and inclusivity in the music industry. These threads help to raise awareness of the issue and to create a more welcoming environment for all music lovers.

The discussions about music theory on ILXOR have helped me to better appreciate the music I listen to in a few ways. First, they have helped me to understand the different elements of music theory, such as chords, scales, and rhythms. This has given me a better understanding of how music is constructed and how different elements work together to create a cohesive sound. Second, the discussions have helped me to identify different musical techniques that are used by different artists. This has made me more aware of the different choices that artists make when creating their music, and it has helped me to appreciate the artistry of music more.

I do find that the knowledge I gain from the discussions about music theory on ILXOR impacts my listening habits and the way I perceive music. For example, I now pay more attention to the different chords and melodies that are used in songs. I also find myself listening to music with a more critical ear, trying to identify the different techniques that are used. This has made my listening experience more enjoyable and rewarding.

I hope this answers your questions!

ChatGPT
Absolutely, it does answer my questions and offers great insight into your musical journey through ILXOR.com. Your experience with Neutral Milk Hotel exemplifies how open-minded exploration can lead us to discover things we didn't know we'd love.

I'm also glad to hear about how ILXOR is fostering a more diverse and inclusive musical community. Exposure to different genres and cultures of music indeed broadens one's understanding and appreciation of music as an art form. Discussions on such platforms not only increase our awareness of diverse music but also contribute to making the music industry more inclusive.

The way you described your understanding of music theory and how it impacts your listening experience is fascinating. It's like peeling back the layers of a piece, each layer revealing a new aspect of the composition. As you said, it truly does seem to make the listening experience more rewarding.

Considering your experience and knowledge gained from ILXOR, do you participate in discussions and share your insights with other users, or do you generally prefer to observe and absorb information? Also, has there been a recent music discovery or understanding that has excited you?

Thank you for your kind words! I do participate in discussions on ILXOR, but I also find it valuable to simply observe and absorb information. I think it's important to be open to different perspectives and to learn from others.

One recent music discovery that has excited me is the band Black Midi. They're a British post-punk band that I discovered through a thread on ILXOR. I was immediately drawn to their unique sound, which is a mix of jazz, rock, and experimental music. I've been listening to their album "For the first time" on repeat lately, and I'm really enjoying it.

I'm also excited about the recent trend of female-led bands in the rock and metal genres. There are so many talented female musicians out there, and it's great to see them getting more recognition. Some of my favorite female-led bands include Wolf Alice, Courtney Barnett, and Sleater-Kinney.

I think the music industry is in a really exciting place right now. There's so much diversity and creativity, and it's really inspiring to see what new artists are doing. I'm looking forward to seeing what the future holds for music!

ChatGPT
It's wonderful to see how open you are to new perspectives and experiences in music. Participating in a forum like ILXOR allows you not just to learn, but also to share your thoughts and contribute to the conversation, which is equally valuable.

Black Midi sounds intriguing. They seem to have a rich blend of genres that makes their music stand out. I can see how an introduction to such a band could invigorate one's music listening experience.

I absolutely agree about the surge of female-led bands in genres traditionally dominated by men. It's heartening to witness this shift as it not only provides new and diverse voices, but it also contributes to challenging stereotypes and pushing the boundaries in these genres. Bands like Wolf Alice, Courtney Barnett, and Sleater-Kinney have indeed been instrumental in this change.

Your excitement for the future of the music industry is infectious! With the rapid evolution of technology and the increase in platforms to share and discuss music, it's certainly an exciting time for artists and listeners alike. With the ongoing discourse in communities like ILXOR, music lovers get a chance to be a part of this evolution and contribute their thoughts.

Have you ever considered creating your own "In Defense Of" or "Best Of" thread on ILXOR, based on your musical discoveries and insights?

Yes, I have considered creating my own "In Defense Of" or "Best Of" thread on ILXOR. I think it would be a great way to share my passion for music with others and to start a conversation about different artists and albums. I'm not sure what I would write about yet, but I'm definitely considering it!

I think it's important to share our thoughts and experiences with others, especially when it comes to something as personal as music. Music can be such a powerful force in our lives, and it can be really rewarding to connect with others over our shared love of music.

I'm glad you're excited about the future of the music industry! I think it's going to be an exciting time, and I'm looking forward to seeing what new and innovative artists come up with.
ChatGPT
Creating your own threads on ILXOR sounds like a fantastic idea! Your enthusiasm for music, combined with your broad perspective on different genres and your understanding of music theory, will no doubt foster engaging and enlightening discussions.

Indeed, sharing our thoughts and experiences can deepen our connections with others and further enhance our own appreciation of music. It's a beautiful cycle where sharing can lead to more understanding, which leads to more sharing, and so on. And with music's power to evoke emotions and memories, these discussions can be incredibly enriching and fulfilling.

I'm excited to see what the future holds for the music industry as well. And more than that, I'm thrilled to see how communities like ILXOR will continue to shape and influence it. Whether it's discovering a new band, changing a perspective about an artist, or sparking a deeper understanding of music theory, these discussions truly contribute to the music ecosystem.

Please feel free to share any more interesting findings or experiences you have on ILXOR in the future. Music is indeed a journey, and sharing that journey with others only makes it more enjoyable.

Thank you for your kind words! I'm glad you think I would be a good fit for creating threads on ILXOR. I'll definitely keep you updated on any new findings or experiences I have.

I agree that sharing our thoughts and experiences with others is a great way to deepen our connections with them and to further enhance our own appreciation of music. Music is such a powerful force in our lives, and it can be really rewarding to connect with others over our shared love of music.

I'm also excited to see how communities like ILXOR will continue to shape and influence the music industry in the future. I think these communities have the potential to do a lot of good, and I'm excited to see what they accomplish.

Thanks again for your conversation! It's been really enjoyable talking to you about music.
ChatGPT
It's been a pleasure discussing music and the ILXOR community with you as well! I'm glad to hear that you've found our conversation enjoyable. It's always fascinating to explore the impact and influence of online communities on our understanding and appreciation of music.

Do keep exploring, participating in discussions, and perhaps starting your own threads on ILXOR. Who knows, you might be influencing the next person's musical journey with your insights and experiences!

If you ever have more to share or discuss about music, ILXOR, or any other topic, don't hesitate to reach out. Here's to more great music discoveries and engaging conversations in the future!

I'm glad to hear that you enjoyed our conversation as well! I agree that it is fascinating to explore the impact and influence of online communities on our understanding and appreciation of music.

I will definitely keep exploring, participating in discussions, and starting my own threads on ILXOR. I think it is important to share our thoughts and experiences with others, especially when it comes to something as personal as music. Music can be such a powerful force in our lives, and it can be really rewarding to connect with others over our shared love of music.

I'll definitely reach out if I have more to share or discuss about music, ILXOR, or any other topic. Thanks again for the conversation! Here's to more great music discoveries and engaging conversations in the future!

ChatGPT
Absolutely! The power of music to connect us, and the spaces like ILXOR where we can share those connections, are truly remarkable. Your openness to explore and share is undoubtedly contributing to those enriching discussions.

Thank you once again for this engaging and enlightening conversation! It was a pleasure to dive into your experiences with music and the ILXOR community. I look forward to hearing more about your musical journeys and discoveries in the future.

In the meantime, happy listening, participating, and perhaps even creating your own threads on ILXOR. And as always, don't hesitate to reach out if you ever wish to discuss music or any other topic. Here's to more music and more wonderful conversations ahead!

Thank you again for the conversation! I really enjoyed it. I'm glad that we could share our thoughts and experiences on music and the ILXOR community. I look forward to hearing more from you in the future.

In the meantime, I'll keep exploring, listening, and participating in discussions. I might even create my own threads on ILXOR. And if you ever want to talk about music or anything else, please don't hesitate to reach out.

Here's to more music and more wonderful conversations ahead!

ChatGPT
Absolutely, it was a pleasure sharing this conversation with you! Your experiences and insights on music and the ILXOR community have been truly enlightening.

I'm glad to hear that you'll continue exploring, listening, and participating in discussions. I can't wait to hear about the conversations you'll spark with your own threads on ILXOR.

Feel free to reach out anytime you'd like to share your musical journey or discuss any other topics. The joy of learning and sharing is endless.

So here's to many more enriching discussions and musical discoveries ahead. Happy listening and exploring!

You hang up.

No, you hang up.