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― linoleum gallagher (Neanderthal), Friday, 14 July 2023 01:18 (one year ago) link
I don't really like the way that 'rewatch' has become so standard.
It's clearly because 'review' already means something different.
But 'rewatch' still feels to me ugly and a compromise, a substitute word, as just suggested.
― the pinefox, Friday, 14 July 2023 09:14 (one year ago) link
I had meant to note something on this thread.
When people (especially artists) say that their success is remarkable as they come from a place.
>>> Cellophane Spoons, the new 4-piece setting Steve Lamacq's programme alight. "Not bad for four lads from Hull!"
I literally saw a Guardian headline recently saying "Not bad for four lads from Sheffield!"
Now, there are cases where this formulation might make sense.
"Winning the Booker Prize? I suppose it's not bad for this former Somalian asylum seeker who fled persection then spent 5 years looked in an Australian detention centre". Yes.
But when the place is simply a location in a rich country of the developed world / Global North, the claim becomes almost meaningless.
Maybe "Not bad from a lass from Orkney" - somewhere implying isolation - OK.
But Hull and Sheffield, for instance, are major cities in the world's 6th biggest economy. They both have established histories of cultural achievement. There is nothing at all remarkable about succeeding when coming from them.
And everyone has to come from somewhere. But still people think that whatever place they came from is the one that makes their success unlikely.
In fact perhaps the most ridiculous case of all was Kingsley Amis: "Not bad from a boy from Norbury, eh?". Norbury is a comfortable suburban area about 7 miles from the UK Parliament.
― the pinefox, Friday, 14 July 2023 09:22 (one year ago) link
Anywhere that's not London and the South East is a foreign country to the UK media.
― Body Odour Ultra Low Emission Zone (Tom D.), Friday, 14 July 2023 09:27 (one year ago) link
I think pinefox it talking about when artists say it about themselves. Didn't someone white and British get embroiled in a social media storm recently when their acceptance speech at an awards ceremony used this trope, making some people, mainly Americans, indignant, their reading being that it was implying he hadn't come from a position of privilege? Can't think who it was now.
Can't find this (maybe it was a print headline?)
Did find this though
Not bad for a ‘fat lad from Sheffield’: Sharp out for promotion with Blades
― Alba, Friday, 14 July 2023 12:46 (one year ago) link
'A fat lad from Sheffield' - really just means 'a fat person, who thus wouldn't be expected to be good at sport', doesn't it?
The idea that being from Sheffield would impede him succeeding at soccer is preposterous, but it gets tacked on and, I suppose, diminishes the sting of the 'fat lad' insult.
― the pinefox, Friday, 14 July 2023 12:50 (one year ago) link
I've always thought of Sheffield as being a relatively wealthy city.
― Body Odour Ultra Low Emission Zone (Tom D.), Friday, 14 July 2023 12:54 (one year ago) link
we should at the very least press for it to gain similar prominence as a negative corollary
only having a career that maxes out at non-league level -----> not great for a lad from toxteth
― Ár an broc a mhic (darraghmac), Friday, 14 July 2023 13:11 (one year ago) link
Didn't someone white and British get embroiled in a social media storm recently when their acceptance speech at an awards ceremony used this trope, making some people, mainly Americans, indignant, their reading being that it was implying he hadn't come from a position of privilege? Can't think who it was now.
Answering my own question, it was Harry Styles. He didn't actually name where he was from, he just said “This doesn’t happen to people like me very often".
https://www.nme.com/news/music/harry-styles-people-like-me-grammys-speech-earns-backlash-3393823
― Alba, Friday, 14 July 2023 13:46 (one year ago) link
do people from location x get to self determine whether international superstardom is strange for them or not
― Ár an broc a mhic (darraghmac), Friday, 14 July 2023 13:50 (one year ago) link
I suspect a lot of people who say stuff like this are simply marveling at how they were once unknown outside of where they come from, and perhaps still primarily think of themselves as a person from that place rather than as a global celebrity.
― jaymc, Friday, 14 July 2023 14:00 (one year ago) link
Exactly.
― Alba, Friday, 14 July 2023 14:05 (one year ago) link
Sort of a mild version of imposter syndrome.
― Alba, Friday, 14 July 2023 14:09 (one year ago) link
Not bad for a person from New York city
Not bad for a person from Beverly Hills
― Exit, pursued by a beer (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 14 July 2023 14:35 (one year ago) link
The Harry Styles thing was pretty funny because it's left entirely to the reader to decide what he actually meant by "people like me".
― Daniel_Rf, Friday, 14 July 2023 15:00 (one year ago) link
"people who can't shit in war movies"
― linoleum gallagher (Neanderthal), Friday, 14 July 2023 15:01 (one year ago) link
she was only a grocer's daughter
― henry s, Friday, 14 July 2023 15:37 (one year ago) link
"pretty much exactly"
― all this time I thought you were British (Deflatormouse), Tuesday, 25 July 2023 04:55 (one year ago) link
pretty fly for a Sheffield guy
― the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Tuesday, 25 July 2023 16:57 (one year ago) link
"you are a fucking amazing group of product managers, i just want to say that"
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 26 July 2023 14:01 (one year ago) link
"You have the day you deserve".
not because it wasn't an effective 'fuck off' used against people who were abusive or awful people, but now it's once again been co-opted and seems to be used in situations that don't even remotely warrant such a level of aggression, like someone getting your order wrong at Wendy's or arguing whether someone was offside or not.
― linoleum gallagher (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 26 July 2023 14:10 (one year ago) link
You know what I hate?I hate "as [so-and-so] might put it" ...when the phrase that so-and-so "might" use is something the person wrote/said/sang ONCE (even if it was very famous).My long-time annoyance at this was re-triggered by this sentence, in reference to the summer of 1974 in American politics: "It was, as Charles Dickens might put it, the best of times and the worst of times." Really? As though that weren't just a sentence in one of his books, but the dude's fucking catchphrase or something.― jaymc, Thursday, June 30, 2011 4:48 PM (twelve years ago) bookmarkflaglink
― jaymc, Wednesday, 26 July 2023 14:27 (one year ago) link
OTM
― kinder, Wednesday, 26 July 2023 14:35 (one year ago) link
What's funny about that Gopnik excerpt is that he's quoting himself. Like hey, this phrase I just came up with reminds me of Sergio Leone.
― Josefa, Wednesday, 26 July 2023 15:34 (one year ago) link
xps not otm imo!
you're just complaining about a careless use of the word "might" really?
― Ár an broc a mhic (darraghmac), Wednesday, 26 July 2023 16:27 (one year ago) link
As Jon Anderson might say, "yes"
― linoleum gallagher (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 26 July 2023 16:42 (one year ago) link
fair
― Ár an broc a mhic (darraghmac), Wednesday, 26 July 2023 16:54 (one year ago) link
well, Adam Gopnick is a total hack
― budo jeru, Wednesday, 26 July 2023 17:37 (one year ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/X9PsTeG.jpg
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 1 August 2023 22:21 (one year ago) link
I've been getting inundated with cold-call sales emails and they all talk like this
― Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 1 August 2023 22:29 (one year ago) link
why do you answer them?
― sarahell, Thursday, 3 August 2023 14:42 (one year ago) link
oh oops, missed the "emails" part ... n/m
― sarahell, Thursday, 3 August 2023 14:43 (one year ago) link
"lovely jubbly"
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 21 August 2023 14:48 (one year ago) link
in correspondence from my mobile phone provider no less
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 21 August 2023 14:49 (one year ago) link
"The blob"
I mean "the deep state" is a stupid expression but it least it sounds dramatic. "The blob" is the kind of Eton-level schoolboy joke phrase you could imagine a bunch of Tory tossers chortling about because they mistakenly think it's funny. In fact you don't have to imagine it, it's what they publicly do.
― there's no such thing as a winnable volume war (Matt #2), Monday, 21 August 2023 14:59 (one year ago) link
"Brits"
Fair enough if an American uses it but I've just heard a Sky reporter use it. It would be a bit like if a US reporter referred to Americans as Yanks in a serious news report.
― The First Time Ever I Saw Gervais (Tom D.), Tuesday, 3 October 2023 17:34 (one year ago) link
I think that battle is lost. There's a new generation that doesn't think it makes us sound like cunts.
― Alba, Tuesday, 3 October 2023 19:56 (one year ago) link
Rather that than Britishers
― fucking beanie hat music (Matt #2), Tuesday, 3 October 2023 20:21 (one year ago) link
It would be funny if a Sky reporter said "Britishers" though. And "Englanders".
― The First Time Ever I Saw Gervais (Tom D.), Tuesday, 3 October 2023 20:27 (one year ago) link
Whereas if they say Britishes, we know they lurk here.
― steely flan (suzy), Tuesday, 3 October 2023 20:29 (one year ago) link
I'd like to not read or hear "The British People" ever again.
― nashwan, Tuesday, 3 October 2023 20:31 (one year ago) link
What's wrong with Britons? No, don't answer that.
― The First Time Ever I Saw Gervais (Tom D.), Tuesday, 3 October 2023 20:33 (one year ago) link
"I'm keeping a list of who is silent"
― real warm grandpa (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 11 October 2023 13:40 (eleven months ago) link
'that's my happy place'
― Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 19 October 2023 19:42 (eleven months ago) link
Surely it’s been mentioned in this thread before, but I crawl within myself and die when I see “so I did a thing” on social media.
Poms is the correct way to refer to the brits fwiw
― Peach’s burner account (H.P), Thursday, 19 October 2023 22:25 (eleven months ago) link
+1 on 'so I did a thing', major barf
― Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 19 October 2023 22:35 (eleven months ago) link
I am fine with it depending on the thing… if it is related to the Carpenter movie I will generally lol
― sarahell, Wednesday, 25 October 2023 06:31 (eleven months ago) link
"the conversation around (x)"
― donald wears yer troosers (doo rag), Wednesday, 25 October 2023 06:40 (eleven months ago) link
"Do better"
― Alba, Wednesday, 25 October 2023 07:14 (eleven months ago) link
English, ersatz English, Anglos, exbrits.Disolvers of the holy bond that United the kingdom.
As the nation dissolves into smaller city states one will be known by the area one comes from. Bound to happen.Or become more evolved and become Europeans again innit
― Stevo, Wednesday, 25 October 2023 07:42 (eleven months ago) link