ILX Film Club, The (1924-2019)

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yeah he was a lot more convincing here than in All Quiet On The Western Front.

the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 21 August 2023 17:15 (ten months ago) link

Also: Julia isn't a villain. She loves her sister. You can see the sparks of their former camaraderie. No one's a villain in this picture except for Henry Daniell.

the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 21 August 2023 17:21 (ten months ago) link

Yup, even Henry Kolker was far from being an ogre.

Anyway, here's a biggie...

the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 21 August 2023 17:32 (ten months ago) link

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c3/La_regle_du_jeu.jpg

The Rules of the Game, Jean Renoir, 1939
Morbsies #7
Sight & Sound Critics #13
Sight & Sound Directors #38

the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 21 August 2023 17:34 (ten months ago) link

oh I've heard of this one

the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 21 August 2023 17:35 (ten months ago) link

It's on youtube but without subtitles.

the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 21 August 2023 17:38 (ten months ago) link

Of all the movies that regularly get called, more or less, the best of all time, Rules is the one where you just have to go "Yeah, of course it is."

fair but so uncool beliefs here (Eric H.), Monday, 21 August 2023 17:46 (ten months ago) link

I've had mediocre experiences teaching this one to college students the last five years.

the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 21 August 2023 17:49 (ten months ago) link

I've seen it one (1) time, in my first month at film school, my script-writing tutor (this guy) showed it to us on a little TV before he let us write anything.

the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 21 August 2023 17:50 (ten months ago) link

That was a quarter of a century ago and I remember very little

the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 21 August 2023 17:52 (ten months ago) link

^Studied under Thorold Dickinson = UK film studies royalty (only a degree of separation from Raymond Durgnat would score you higher!)

Rules definitely one of those films that genuinely gets better every time you see it (wld say the same about Vertigo, and perhaps explains why they're often in GOAT competition).

Ward Fowler, Monday, 21 August 2023 18:05 (ten months ago) link

Yeah he was easily one of the best tutors on the course (and I only had him the once) - he also showed us his debut feature, a relentlessly grim film about prostitutes in the old west called Painted Angels, I appreciated it but don't think many of my classmates agreed.

the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 21 August 2023 18:12 (ten months ago) link

Loved this of course, how could I not? Nothing stood out as being spectacular in terms of script, acting or cinematography, it was all just perfectly pitched, not a moment wasted, every character seemed alive and full of contradictions. It was heavily stylised without ever seeming artificial or mannered. Feel like I want to go back and watch the whole thing again, but should probably move on as it's Monday.

the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 28 August 2023 10:34 (ten months ago) link

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/21/His_Girl_Friday_%281940_poster%29_crop.jpg

His Girl Friday, Howard Hawks, 1940
Morbsies #115
Sight & Sound Critics #129

the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 29 August 2023 12:27 (ten months ago) link

This one is on youtube, but looks like a crappy rip. ANy other links would be welcome.

the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 29 August 2023 12:39 (ten months ago) link

Every public library in the country carries a DVD if you can't find it online.

the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 29 August 2023 12:52 (ten months ago) link

which country?

koogs, Tuesday, 29 August 2023 13:03 (ten months ago) link

In Soviet Russia His Girl Friday rents you!

Not a fan of this film but I've discussed that on here semi recently.

Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 29 August 2023 13:06 (ten months ago) link

God I run hot and cold on Hawks, even still ...

fair but so uncool beliefs here (Eric H.), Tuesday, 29 August 2023 13:40 (ten months ago) link

Cary Grant is so sexy as an unrepentant asshole, especially in that hat.

the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 29 August 2023 13:48 (ten months ago) link

Thought I had seen this before but seemed entirely unfamiliar. Enjoyed parts of it a great deal and a lot to admire, but something about it just didn't sit right with me - the middle third (restaurant scene to criminal climbing in window) just didn't seem to work in terms of plot or characters. The scene where she's typing up the story and not listening to her fiancée was the highlight for me, something very relatable and not often seen on screen.

the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 5 September 2023 10:01 (nine months ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/Qb9ILTr.jpg

The Maltese Falcon, John Huston, 1941
Morbsies #62

the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 5 September 2023 10:04 (nine months ago) link

By gad, sir, you are a character, if you don't my saying so!

the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 5 September 2023 10:08 (nine months ago) link

Bogart looks a bit weird in that poster?

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 5 September 2023 10:17 (nine months ago) link

I suspect it's a promo shot for High Sierra, for which I think he sported a crew cut.

the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 5 September 2023 10:18 (nine months ago) link

Too formative for me to evaluate disinterestedly. I guess Peter Lorre's performance is problematic on at least two levels but it also just rules, love Joel Cairo.

Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 5 September 2023 10:19 (nine months ago) link

I know Lorre and Greenstreet got paired on a couple of films but they really should have gotten a Thin Man-like franchise.

Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 5 September 2023 10:20 (nine months ago) link

This one is also available on archive.org here in decent enough quality though not sure if it is available everywhere.

the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 5 September 2023 10:23 (nine months ago) link

"Make Way for Tomorrow, Leo McCarey, 1937"

Screening of this at the BFI on the 24th, as part of the Ozu season.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 5 September 2023 10:50 (nine months ago) link

When Astor, Greenstreet, Lorre, and Bogart are together, it's glorious.

Good thread: Best Villain in "The Maltese Falcon"

the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 5 September 2023 10:55 (nine months ago) link

i recently saw elisha cook in corman's haunted palace, and i was reminded of what a limited character actor he was. same character in almost everything he was in, and when he did television he'd usually mug for the camera the same way in everything. His filmography still has some amazing highs: Maltese Falcon, Hellzapoppin, The Big Sleep, The Killing, Rosemary's Baby.

formerly abanana (dat), Tuesday, 5 September 2023 12:42 (nine months ago) link

Don't forget his crazed drumming in Phantom Lady!

The Thin, Wild Mercury Rising (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 5 September 2023 13:48 (nine months ago) link

So this was excellent, of course, though very confusing for the first half hour - but I enjoy being confused so that's no bad thing. Enjoyed the ambiguity about truth/lies and moral/immoral, even if it did come out on the side of good, not even Bogie made it through with his soul unblemished. And yes, "'You... you imbecile. You bloated idiot. You stupid fat-head you!"

the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 11 September 2023 21:40 (nine months ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/ohRFeLC.png

The Lady Eve, Preston Sturges, 1941
Morbsies #85

the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 11 September 2023 21:44 (nine months ago) link

The greatest movie of all time.

the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 11 September 2023 21:53 (nine months ago) link

finished one above this

close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Monday, 11 September 2023 22:30 (nine months ago) link

the horse scene

ciderpress, Monday, 11 September 2023 23:31 (nine months ago) link

I saw this at a local revival on July 4 weekend...it'd been years since I'd seen an audience have such a good time. Stanwyck and Fonda are infallible; Fonda plays convincingly dense. And with Charles Coburn, William Demarest, Melville Cooper offer impeccable support.

the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 11 September 2023 23:34 (nine months ago) link

Just finished this, finally. What an absolute joy! Can't think of when I last loved a film so much first viewing. Feel like I'm going to be coming back to this again and again.

the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 23 September 2023 00:17 (nine months ago) link

hugs

hat trick of trashiness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 23 September 2023 02:21 (nine months ago) link

Anyway, bit late but probably less to say about this one.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c0/Citizen_Kane_poster%2C_1941_%28Style_B%2C_unrestored%29.jpg

Citizen Kane, Orson Welles, 1941

Morbsies #19
Sight & Sound Critics #3
Sight & Sound Directors #2

the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 23 September 2023 10:12 (nine months ago) link

pretty good iirc

hat trick of trashiness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 23 September 2023 11:15 (nine months ago) link

Never heard of it

Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai), Saturday, 23 September 2023 11:28 (nine months ago) link

Obligatory

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PyAO91qArI

50 Best Fellas (Eric H.), Saturday, 23 September 2023 13:01 (nine months ago) link

Never heard of it

Where can I stream it?

Kizza Me on the Bus (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 23 September 2023 14:12 (nine months ago) link

Also obligatory

https://tedhicksfilmetc.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/rosebud-was-his-sled2-peanuts.jpg

Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 23 September 2023 20:55 (nine months ago) link

I think with Citizen Kane it does help to watch a ton of Hollywood movies from the years preceding it - and not just the acclaimed masterpieces - to see how wild what he was doing on a formal level was.

Daniel_Rf, Monday, 25 September 2023 08:52 (nine months ago) link

"Make Way for Tomorrow, Leo McCarey, 1937"

Screening of this at the BFI on the 24th, as part of the Ozu season.

― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 5 September 2023 bookmarkflaglink

Good to see older people being front and centre of a film.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 25 September 2023 09:38 (nine months ago) link

I found this script with edits fascinating. Welles removed Kane's lines that tried to justify his behavior. Reminds me of Joyce cutting the narrative voice out of the Dubliners stories.
https://www.wellesnet.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/Citizen-Kane-3rd-Revised-Final-Script-With-Overlay.pdf

formerly abanana (dat), Monday, 25 September 2023 12:02 (nine months ago) link

!!

Smoother and more natural: Welles added hundreds of small edits and additions that created more natural speaking and focused communication between characters. These changes also often resulted in opportunities for overlapping dialogue, a device that increases the realism of conversations; overlapping dialogue would become a trademark of Welles’ direction.

Some additions are more realistic as the result of Welles making them longer and more detailed. For example, in the scene of Susan Alexander rehearsing in a pathetic singing lesson with Signore Matiste – a scene in which it becomes painfully obvious that she cannot sing – every version of the draft scripts showed the scene begin with Susan singing for a few seconds, Matiste stopping her, and Kane then interrupting.

During production, Welles made this scene much more realistic – and emotionally draining for Susan – by writing expanded instructions for Matiste to Susan, showing him desperately and unsuccessfully trying to coax a decent performance from her while Kane watches at the back of the room; only then does Kane intrude.
watches at the back of the room; only then does Kane intrude

hat trick of trashiness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 25 September 2023 12:16 (nine months ago) link


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