Is the US a dystopia?

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_poverty is not a white phenomenon_. i wish media narratives would fucking quit acting like it is.

In a raw numbers sense, though, it is. There are a hell of a lot more poor white people than poor people of other groups, because this is still a majority white country, even if those margins are narrowing. So it's reasonable, from a certain angle, to focus on white poverty, particularly if it's been rendered less visible because of several decades' worth of media narratives about black poverty (in the cities, where all the journalists live).

read-only (unperson), Wednesday, 4 October 2023 15:00 (one year ago) link

So it's reasonable, from a certain angle, to focus on white poverty, particularly if it's been rendered less visible because of several decades' worth of media narratives about black poverty (in the cities, where all the journalists live).

― read-only (unperson), Wednesday, October 4, 2023 8:00 AM (one hour ago)

that's a good point and i got to really thinking about the article and the way it was constructed and the different ways in which it unconsciously replicated the racial systems of, in particular, louisville, kentucky (in that the sections dealing with race were sort of set apart from the rest of the story, and in the rest of the story race wasn't considered at all even though pretty much everybody involved was white... or when they're talking about a doctor who was born in pakistan! basically for non-white people, race was acknowledged, when it came to the experiences of white people, the story actually went out of its way to avoid pointing out that they were white)... anyway those are rough thoughts and they could use more elaboration because i decided to organize my dresser. it looks good! i have way more tops than i thought i did, which is good because portland is infamous for its top shortage. (the one true sign of a dystopia - everyone is a bottom. i think sartre came up with that one. sartre of course was famously a bottom himself.)

Kate (rushomancy), Wednesday, 4 October 2023 16:20 (one year ago) link

You want to find places where "sickness and death are scarring entire communities"? How about you take a hard look at indian reservations, WaPo, then come back and cry hot tears for us about diminishing life expectancy among whites.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Wednesday, 4 October 2023 17:25 (one year ago) link

Some of the darkest counties on that WaPo map were native lands.

Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 4 October 2023 21:06 (one year ago) link

You want to find places where "sickness and death are scarring entire communities"? How about you take a hard look at indian reservations, WaPo, then come back and cry hot tears for us about diminishing life expectancy among whites.

― more difficult than I look (Aimless)

exactly. when covid was hitting and all of the advice was coming out to "wash your hands for 20 seconds", a lot of the native population in alaska was looking at this advice and was like, ok, well, what do you do if you don't have running water? because that's the fucking reality of it for a lot of people.

Kate (rushomancy), Wednesday, 4 October 2023 21:13 (one year ago) link

Some of the darkest counties on that WaPo map were native lands.

― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, October 4, 2023 5:06 PM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

this is absolutely true and it is tragic and shameful.

but the fact that life expectancy is dropping overall -- among the majority of the population -- has to be reckoned with as well. often, people from different demographic groups are affected by similar factors.

treeship., Thursday, 5 October 2023 00:00 (one year ago) link

often, people from different demographic groups are affected by similar factors.

We all eat the same garbage*, we all breathe the same air.

*Yeah, yeah, you buy organic fruit at Whole Foods and eat fish instead of red meat and drink oat milk and blah blah blah. It all gets harvested from the same chemical-soaked earth, all the fish come out of the same polluted water...

read-only (unperson), Thursday, 5 October 2023 00:15 (one year ago) link

Right but the main things actually killing people early are smoking, drinking, and consuming too much sugar/the wrong kind of fat.

With carcinogens it’s true aside from smoking we’re all pretty much at risk. But there’s significantly more risk from say your new car smell or the offgassing from the plywood in your walls than from that organic lettuce.

recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Thursday, 5 October 2023 01:05 (one year ago) link

uh

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_racism

some people are more at risk than others and it breaks down along class/race lines, what a surprise

out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Thursday, 5 October 2023 01:08 (one year ago) link

I mean this is just from North Carolina, a plethora of articles and examples

https://ncnewsline.com/author/lisa-sorg/

out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Thursday, 5 October 2023 01:09 (one year ago) link

i done my own research check it out i know why ppl dying.

also this doesn’t mean what you think it means.

or maybe it exactly does.

i'd meet u where u are, but that place really sucks (Hunt3r), Thursday, 5 October 2023 01:39 (one year ago) link

the issue is that any crisis becomes a crisis when white, perhaps formerly middle class people or middle class people are feeling its effects. the crisis that these bullshit papers breathlessly rend garments over in rural and exurban white communities has been occurring in non-white communities rural and suburban and urban communities for fucking ever. anyone with a fucking ounce of analysis knows that this is the case, and that it’s not that these problems don’t need to be addressed in white communities, but that they need to be addressed in all communities , but that rarely happens because of white supremacy.

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Thursday, 5 October 2023 02:40 (one year ago) link

there’s plenty of factory farmed fish in artificial ponds

ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Thursday, 5 October 2023 03:44 (one year ago) link

Folks did you know the soul weighs 21 grams? 21 grams! Isn't that wild folks. I bet my soul weighs 23-24 grams maybe!

papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 5 October 2023 03:48 (one year ago) link

So hard to tell who the snark sniping is directed at here. Anyway I wasn’t just pulling the claim about environmental exposure out of my butt.

https://www.kiro7.com/news/trending/new-car-smell-caused-by-chemicals-that-can-increase-cancer-risk-study-says/

But sleeve good point about the environmental racism, I didn’t intend to dismiss that but was more just addressing the “all the food gets harvested from the same toilet earth, we’re all at equal risk” trope. Some other significant cancer risks I neglected to mention are radon and vehicle exhaust. I’d guess diesel exhaust is significantly worse especially in more industrial areas so again environmental racism.

recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Thursday, 5 October 2023 06:18 (one year ago) link

often, people from different demographic groups are affected by similar factors.

We all eat the same garbage*, we all breathe the same air.

*Yeah, yeah, you buy organic fruit at Whole Foods and eat fish instead of red meat and drink oat milk and blah blah blah. It all gets harvested from the same chemical-soaked earth, all the fish come out of the same polluted water...

― read-only (unperson)

now, see, that's an interesting way of putting it, unperson, because that's not the typical way i see it put. the way i usually see that sentiment put is something like the lyrics to quiet sun's "rongwrong":

Never let it be thought that we have nothing to share
We drink the same water and we breathe the same air

but you didn't say that. you didn't say that we drink the same water. perhaps you know that's not true. perhaps, like most of the rest of the united states, you have heard about the water in flint, michigan. and if we don't all drink the same water, well, why would you assume that we eat the same food, breathe the same air?

now if you'll excuse me, i'm off to listen to Schönberg in the bath

Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 5 October 2023 13:40 (one year ago) link

the issue is that any crisis becomes a crisis when white, perhaps formerly middle class people or middle class people are feeling its effects. the crisis that these bullshit papers breathlessly rend garments over in rural and exurban white communities has been occurring in non-white communities rural and suburban and urban communities for fucking ever. anyone with a fucking ounce of analysis knows that this is the case, and that it’s not that these problems don’t need to be addressed in white communities, but that they need to be addressed in all communities , but that rarely happens because of white supremacy.

― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table

see, this is the interesting thing to me. i'm a white person, but i _don't_ see the people this article is talking about as being "like me". the wapo article works really hard to try and deracialize an intensely racialized situation, but case and deaton's princeton study, quoted in the article, is more blunt - it talks about white people without a college degree.

my background is white people _with_ college degrees. "white collar". "professional". my feeling, and the feeling i often perceived from the white people around me, was that "blue collar" workers were _not like me_. they were, well, poor white trash. beneath us. and this is consistent, i think, with the way the subjects of the article are portrayed... there's a certain amount of liberal condescension, of "othering", in the way it's portrayed. but poor white people _are_ portrayed, while people who have suffered worse and for longer are, at best, a footnote to the wapo's pity party.

who reads the washington post? who reads the new york times? white collar professionals. the rending of garments over the people we formerly dismissed (and perhaps, under our breaths, still dismiss) as "poor white trash" while going out of our way to ignore and dismiss the experiences of people who are Not Like Us, to me, displays an _exceptional_ amount of commitment to privileging whiteness over all other factors. and i think this commitment is pretty manifest in the framing of the article.

Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 5 October 2023 14:18 (one year ago) link

Apparently the answer is YES

Frustrated Target shopper slams retail giant after it took her an entire HOUR to shop for a 'single bag of essentials' - because all of the products were LOCKED UP to combat soaring crime
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-12603113/Target-customer-shop-essential-items-locked-cabinet.html

Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 6 October 2023 23:21 (one year ago) link

lmao Walgreens already started apologizing for that when they realized no one was buying more than one thing if they’re all locked up

ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Friday, 6 October 2023 23:47 (one year ago) link

two weeks pass...

https://www.tampabay.com/news/education/2023/10/23/florida-rule-would-limit-talk-social-issues-public-universities/

A proposed regulation aimed at restricting diversity programs and social activism at Florida’s public universities has stirred confusion, with some saying its broadly worded passages could limit free speech.

The regulation, when approved, will determine how the state enforces the law known as Senate Bill 266, a measure pushed by Gov. Ron DeSantis that seeks to gut diversity, equity and inclusion programs at colleges and universities.

A draft version being circulated for feedback says in part that universities may not spend public money on activities that “advocate for diversity, equity and inclusion” or “promote or engage in political or social activism.”

It says political or social activism is “any activity organized with a purpose of effecting or preventing change to a government policy, action, or function, or any activity intended to achieve a desired result related to social issues, where the university endorses or promotes a position in communications, advertisements, programs, or campus activities.”

Social issues are defined as “topics that polarize or divide society among political, ideological, moral, or religious beliefs, positions, or norms.”

“I can’t think of anything that doesn’t,” said Gerard Solis, general counsel for the University of South Florida. Speaking to USF’s faculty senate on Thursday, he questioned whether that wording could prohibit commentary surrounding events like Black History Month or even American Pharmacists Month, which is observed in October.

rob, Monday, 23 October 2023 15:17 (eleven months ago) link

The direct assaults on the 1st Amendment are multiplying and setting us up for SCOTUS to render a new conservative/originalist interpretation of free speech. Definitely excited to find out how many rights we get to keep!

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Monday, 23 October 2023 16:20 (eleven months ago) link

Tipsy, I can think of a certain amendment that conservatives don't wish to dismantle. It ain't the first. Pretty sure it's the next one.

The Royal House of Hangover (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 23 October 2023 17:36 (eleven months ago) link

One of the effects of the Florida stuff is that frankly, while the chilling effect is there, I think the opposite also occurs. There is legitimately no way they can enforce such rules— so fuck em. I would just teach the way I’ve always taught.

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Monday, 23 October 2023 17:44 (eleven months ago) link

yeah enforcement of classroom instruction would be spotty by necessity, but that piece says that "universities may not spend public money on activities..." which seems more troubling to me

rob, Monday, 23 October 2023 18:30 (eleven months ago) link

like it wouldn't take much to get the, idk, Black Student Union shut down

rob, Monday, 23 October 2023 18:31 (eleven months ago) link

I'm eager to see how eagerly they bend around this when one of the one of the trolly right wing grifters that tour college campuses gets brought in speak

joygoat, Monday, 23 October 2023 18:35 (eleven months ago) link

I would just teach the way I’ve always taught.

Some people will, especially at the college level. But it's a lot dicier in K-12, where teachers and administrators tend to be very conflict-averse. Not many are likely to challenge even clearly unconstitutional laws, and it's already having impact in classrooms.

I'm eager to see how eagerly they bend around this when one of the one of the trolly right wing grifters that tour college campuses gets brought in speak

Not a problem. They are only after "woke" speech. They can simultaneously believe that they should be able to legally restrict left-wing ideas and mandate right-wing ideas, because their concern has nothing to do with freedom of speech and everything to do with ideology and control.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Monday, 23 October 2023 18:37 (eleven months ago) link

What they are attacking is the whole idea of "content-neutral restrictions," which has been the heart of free speech jurisprudence for ages.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Monday, 23 October 2023 18:41 (eleven months ago) link

like it wouldn't take much to get the, idk, Black Student Union shut down

― rob

i mean shit like this is already happening

one of my friends is a nurse in texas, the hospital is owned by a university which is owned by the state

for the past three years they've had a DEI committee. i mean a lot of the big places, they've had DEI committees these days. the health system i work for, which is privately owned and pretends to be nonprofit, even though it isn't actually, they have a DEI committee. i mean DEI committees... they can be frustrating to those of us who are part of those marginalized groups. i mean they don't really _do_ anything, you know? they're there to try and make us feel better about all of the shit we're going through, but they don't actually change any of the shit we're going through. they help us connect with each other and talk to each other and commisserate. it's, like, bake-sale shit. maybe you do voluntary trainings (always _voluntary_) for people who want to be educated about the issues that face us, and that feels good. i guess that does something. i guess it's easy to be frustrated that they're not doing enough.

where my friend works, they're shutting down the DEI committee. because of SB 17 down there. i mean we're not really talking about a "chilling effect", this is more than that. she sees the writing on the wall. a lot of people there do. if you can get out, you get out. she's working to get out. she's not desperate enough to just drop everything and run. yet. i've got friends who were that desperate.

i do feel lucky that i got out early, that i had the privilege to get out early. not because i was scared of _them_, but because i was scared of _myself_. i saw what people around me, ordinary people, people i thought were basically alright, were becoming, and i was terrified that i'd become like them. social contagion, doncha know. and it was stupid, the social contagion argument only goes so far. i look at my youngest sibling who lives in indiana now, and they're not doing great, but they're getting queerer and queerer by the day. they're scared of the queer (adults in their 20s, not "kids", don't call adults "kids" kate, it's rude) they hang out with, they're middle-aged and it's all weird to them but at the same time they're spending more and more time around the queer folks and... there's hope for people a lot of places, these days. austin, i heard austin is the third biggest city in the country for queer people. i mean you find safety where you can even if it's only temporary. my ex wanted us to go to canada in november 2016 and i said no, let's go to portland oregon instead, it's too hard for us to get into canada. and hopefully that's good enough.

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and, well... i guess it's ok for me to vent about capitalism a little bit

the bandcamp thing, where they got bought out by a bigger company and then the bigger company laid off half their staff

they were a good site doing good work and people loved them. it was a niche thing but having a site on the internet people genuinely loved... it's such a rare thing

and such a temporary thing. like not by accident, that's just how tech _works_

nobody makes money unless you're owned by one of the big tech companies, google or facebook or whatever. nobody else can compete. so the way people get around it is they get venture capital, they come up with a business model and they gamble. they gamble that they can attract the attention of one of the giants, and the giants will spend what is to them very little money but is to the startup an exorbitant amount of money to buy them. that's startup culture. and it's the venture capitalists who benefit so in the meantime the people working there get a living wage for doing something they're passionate about.

the thing is, no matter what happened those people would've got laid off. the big companies would've cut them loose because they don't buy companies for the _people_, the buy them for the _brand_. bailouts like the bandcamp case, you know, you do what you can but there's only so much you can support a money loser. and if neither of those things happen, at some point the paychecks start bouncing.

it doesn't _work_. none of this fucking _works_. i mean, this boot isn't _actually_ going to be stamping on our faces forever, is it?

real life doesn't work like that. i just have to keep reminding myself that.

Kate (rushomancy), Wednesday, 25 October 2023 13:13 (eleven months ago) link

one month passes...

As a former cancer patient, it is difficult to express the range of my fury at reading articles like this:

This woman lost her arm because of the healthcare industry’s greed

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Tuesday, 19 December 2023 12:26 (nine months ago) link

First paragraph of "Why You Should Hate Capitalism" should begin with this section from the article:

In interviews, more than a dozen current and former executives affiliated with the generic drug industry described many risks that discourage a company from increasing production that might ease the shortages.

They said prices were pushed so low that making lifesaving medicines could result in bankruptcy.

Formica Jordan (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 19 December 2023 15:15 (nine months ago) link

fucking ghouls

Formica Jordan (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 19 December 2023 15:15 (nine months ago) link

Even within our currently dystopian capitalism it seems like you can just raise the prices on medications people need to survive, you don't also have to collude with the rest of the industry to keep things extra horrible

Nhex, Tuesday, 19 December 2023 15:56 (nine months ago) link

"first, do no harm...those who wish to do great physical harm to others must first step two feet to the right, on the business side of healthcare"

z_tbd, Tuesday, 19 December 2023 16:22 (nine months ago) link

Another, this time about the Medicaid cliff that occurred earlier this year.

Land of the Free, Home of the Sick and Dying

Truly wish there was a way for me and my husband to renounce our citizenship and move to a place that was at least somewhat more robust in its care for its citizenry.

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Wednesday, 20 December 2023 12:36 (nine months ago) link

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-12-19/750-a-month-no-questions-asked-improved-the-lives-of-homeless-people

Putting this here because every year of my life someone will run another one of these studies, the results will be the same and public policy won't move a millimeter.

papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 20 December 2023 17:38 (nine months ago) link

not taking action on clear empirical solutions is one thing, but Kentucky can do you better:

https://www.lpm.org/news/2024-01-02/proposed-anti-crime-bill-makes-street-camping-illegal-in-kentucky

Louisville-area Republican state lawmakers plan to sponsor legislation in January that would ban street camping, add unlawful camping to Kentucky’s “stand your ground” law and cut funding for Housing First initiatives.

rob, Tuesday, 2 January 2024 16:31 (nine months ago) link

what's the right's beef with housing first--"they didn't earn it"?

Expansion to Mackerel (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 20:17 (nine months ago) link

The 'right' sees any government regulation of, or participation in, housing as interference in the free market, a horrifying crime that jeopardizes the freedom of the owning class to profit by the misery of others.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 20:23 (nine months ago) link

Housing First is under widespread right-wing assault. Their argument is that it's a.) not working (because hey look we still have all these homeless people), and b.) too expensive (which is obviously the real problem for them, they would much rather spend that money keeping people in jail).

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/20/us/politics/federal-policy-on-homelessness-becomes-new-target-of-the-right.html

Never mind that keeping people in jail is far more expensive, both in terms of dollars spent and in terms of lost opportunities.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 22:12 (nine months ago) link

jeopardizes the freedom of the owning class to profit

This is the sole criterion by which they measure any policy.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 22:14 (nine months ago) link

Just read an article in the post today that that main anti-housing first guy is a cofounder of Palantir and pal of Peter Theil. I don’t know why these guys don’t just drop the euphemisms and go full “kill the poor”.

Expansion to Mackerel (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 23:32 (nine months ago) link

Because it's the Wall Street Journal so fuck 'em (and they have one of the strongest paywalls around), here's an article on the collapse of the insurance industry:

After Allstate suffered billions of dollars in losses and failed to get the rate increases it wanted, it resorted to the nuclear option.

The insurance giant threatened last fall to stop renewing auto insurance for customers in three states that hadn’t given in to its demands, which would have left those policyholders scrambling for coverage. The states blinked.

In December, New Jersey approved auto rate increases for Allstate averaging 17%, and New York, a 15% hike. Regulators in California are allowing Allstate to boost auto rates by 30%, but still haven’t decided on its request for a 40% increase in home-insurance rates after the insurer refused to write new policies.

For many Americans, getting insurance for both their cars and homes has gone from a routine, generally manageable expense to a do-or-die ordeal that can strain household budgets.

Insurers are coming off some of their worst years in history. Catastrophic damage from storms and wildfires is one big reason. The past decade of global natural catastrophes has been the costliest ever. Warmer temperatures have made storms worse and contributed to droughts that have elevated wildfire risk. Too many new homes were built in areas at risk of fire.

As losses mounted, inflation only made matters worse, boosting the cost of repairing or replacing cars or homes.

Climate change also has made it harder for insurers to measure their risks, pushing some to demand even higher premiums to cushion against future losses.

“I have never seen the overall market this bad,” said Barry Gilway, a 52-year veteran of the industry who retired in 2023 as head of Florida’s Citizens Property Insurance, a state-created insurer of last resort that sells plans to people who can’t get coverage elsewhere.

Homeowners and drivers are facing sharply rising premiums, less coverage and fewer, if any, choices of insurer. In some places, the only options are bare bones coverage or none at all. That can make homes worth less and harder to sell, and cars less affordable.

Farmers Insurance Group increased home-insurance rates by more than 23% last year for tens of thousands of policyholders in both Illinois and Texas, according to S&P Global Market Intelligence. Nationwide Mutual said it won’t renew 10,525 home-insurance policies in hurricane-prone areas of North Carolina.

State Farm racked up $13 billion in property-casualty underwriting losses in 2022, its worst ever. Last year, it stopped writing new home-insurance policies in California. The state’s regulators last month approved a 20% home-insurance rate increase.

“This is just the worst possible scenario you could think of for consumers,” said Timothy Gaspar, head of a Los Angeles-based insurance agency. The mass retreat of insurers from the state means there is nothing to offer people seeking new home or auto insurance, he said.

A Farmers spokeswoman said its rate increases were designed to “better reflect the increased risk and claims costs we continue to face.” A Nationwide spokesman said the company was being more selective about where it writes policies in response to inflation and market disruptions.

A State Farm spokesman said the rate increases were driven by increased costs and risk, and that the company continued to look for ways to maintain competitive rates.

Allstate Chief Executive Tom Wilson defended the threat to yank auto coverage in the three states that generated heavy losses. “We can’t afford to use shareholder money…to support an underpriced product,” he said. A company spokesman said the “rate approvals allow us to protect more customers as we work with state regulators to improve insurance availability.”

Last summer, Marta Cross, an actress, bought a new home with her musician husband in northeast Los Angeles. Their new neighborhood in the San Rafael Hills, called Mount Washington, has lots of trees but no recent history of wildfires, she said, and no fire-zone warning signs.

Nevertheless, their house purchase almost fell apart when she was unable to get insurance from any private-sector company because of wildfire risk. “It was really hairy,” she said. “The seller’s agent was in touch every day, saying, ‘What’s happening with the insurance?’”

She contacted a local mothers’ group for advice. “Several moms started to be concerned, saying, wait, does this mean I’m not covered?” Cross recalled. She ended up buying fire coverage with the state’s insurer of last resort and a supplemental policy to cover other risks, as required by her mortgage lender.

The combined premiums total more than $4,000 a year. That’s around $1,500 more than if she had qualified for a regular home-insurance policy, according to her insurance agent, Nick Ramirez of Goosehead Insurance. “I’m considering forgoing earthquake insurance so I can have fire insurance,” Cross said. “And praying.”

U.S. property-casualty insurers, who issue home and auto policies, racked up $32.2 billion in net underwriting losses in the first nine months of 2023, $7.6 billion worse than in the same period a year earlier, according to a December report by ratings firm AM Best.

Tough times are nothing new for insurers. They are in the business of predicting the future. When losses are low, companies such as Progressive and Geico—known to consumers for their ubiquitous ads featuring, respectively, Flo and the gecko—fight for customers. When disasters hit, they tally their losses and raise prices or cut offerings.

Big profits often follow, leading to complaints from consumers and regulators. Shares of insurers, including Allstate’s, already have rebounded in anticipation of higher profits. Nevertheless, the industry’s traditional business model is under pressure and, some think, broken.

Insurance premiums have outpaced inflation. Car insurance rates increased 19.2% in the 12 months through November, six times the rise in overall consumer prices, Labor Department data show. It was the 15th consecutive month of double-digit percentage increases in premiums, year-over-year, the longest stretch of such high hikes since the mid-1980s, according to S&P Global.

Simon Edwards drives a 2012 Mazda 5 in his hometown of Las Vegas. The monthly premium of his Geico auto insurance, he said, has shot up 72% in less than a year, from $130 in April to $223 now. “I’ve been in no accidents, no tickets, been with Geico for many years,” he said.

Home insurers have faced premium increases from their own insurers, known as reinsurers. Reinsurance prices for last year were up 30% to 50%, and insurers were forced to take on more risk, said Neil Alldredge, head of the National Association of Mutual Insurance Companies. Reinsurers, more than almost any other industry, are focused on climate risks.

Prices for coverage can be all over the place, forcing consumers to shop around. Nancy Piel, who lives Lake Forest, Ill., a Chicago suburb, contacted three agents last year after Nationwide increased the cost of insuring her two homes and 2011 minivan to $18,000. According to one agent, Chubb quoted even more: $29,000. She ended up insuring with Cincinnati Insurance for $10,500. The coverages were all very similar, she said. Chubb, which caters to high-net-worth customers, offers services not typically available with mainstream policies.

Not all homeowners have the luxury of getting competing quotes. “We assume people have choices…go shop it and you’ll find it,” said Debbie Mayfield, a Florida state senator, at a hearing last year. “Well, I’ll tell you, it’s been shopped and you can’t find it.” Her district includes part of hurricane-prone Brevard County.

Among the factors pushing up the price of auto insurance: Prices of new and used cars, and parts, have risen, more people are driving expensive vehicles, and extreme weather is destroying more cars.

“I’ve been here 27 years, and we’ve never increased auto rates in the way we have in the last two years,” said Allstate CEO Wilson.

Wilson asked hundreds of his company’s agents at a fall event in Orlando how customers were reacting. “I was like, ‘How’s it going? What are people saying? If I’d said to you three years ago we were going to raise auto prices by 17.5% in one year, you would have thrown me out.’ ”

The answer he got back, Wilson said, was that “people understand it, they understand that their cars and their houses are worth more money.” But, he said, “it’s clearly a burden for customers, and we need to figure out what to do about it.”

Some consumers are opting to forgo coverage—if they have a choice. Most mortgage lenders require borrowers to have home insurance. Richard Redmond was quoted $7,500 a year for federal flood insurance for his new home on a barrier island on Florida’s east coast. “I chose to forgo the flood policy,” he said. “A $7,500 annual fee for $350,000 of coverage makes no sense.”

Inflation, higher reinsurance rates and lawsuits are part of doing business for insurers. Climate change is a wild card. When insurers can’t quantify a risk, they charge more to cover it, or avoid it completely.

“Climate change will destabilize the global insurance industry,” research firm Forrester Research predicted in a fall report. Increasingly extreme weather will make it harder for insurance companies to model and predict exposures, accurately calculate reserves, offer coverage and pay claims, the report said. As a result, Forrester forecast, “more insurers will leave markets besides the high-stakes states like California, Florida, and Louisiana.”

Allstate CEO Wilson said: “There will be insurance deserts.”

Insurance deserts, where private-sector companies no longer will sell regular home-insurance policies, are already developing in high-risk areas. Florida’s insurer of last resort is now the main provider of home coverage in that state.

In California’s wildfire-prone San Bernardino County, insurers in 2021 refused to renew 1,355 policies in a zip code that abuts Lake Arrowhead, north of San Bernardino, up sharply from 157 refusals in 2015, according to an analysis by research firm First Street Foundation.

In November, Chaucer Group, a London-based reinsurer, named several regions once considered low risk for wildfires that it said are “quickly becoming areas of concern for catastrophic wildfire insurance losses.” They include mountainous areas between Salt Lake City and Denver, and the Appalachian Mountains from Tennessee to New York.

Another concern is Texas, partly because of increased development on the fringes of metropolitan areas stemming from migration from California, the report said.

Insurers say they won’t completely abandon risky areas. “I don’t think it’s like the insurance industry said, we’re done here, you’re on your own,” said Allstate’s Wilson. “It’s just, there are certain places where if we can’t spread the cost appropriately and we can’t price it, then we shouldn’t do it.”

Insurance agents and analysts said many insurers are “quiet quitting” high-risk areas rather than face the public relations or regulatory fallout from an official exit.

“Most of the carriers have just flat out said, we are not accepting new business right now [in California]. But that statement is made to insurance agencies, not the public,” said Gaspar, the Los Angeles agency head. “Or they’re making it next to impossible to get a new policy.”

Companies are choking off new business by slashing advertising, closing sales offices or erecting barriers to getting quotes.

State Farm spent 72% less on broadcast and cable advertising in the nine months through Sept. 30, compared with the year-earlier period, according to advertising tracking company AdImpact. Geico cut back by 81%, the data show. A State Farm spokesman confirmed ad spending was down, but said the company didn’t think tracking services completely captured its marketing spending.

Geico in 2022 closed all its sales offices in California. Search for an agent on the Geico website, and the alphabetical list of states skips straight from Arkansas to Colorado. California appears not to exist. A Geico spokesman said customers still have the option to buy its policies in California directly from the company.

Agents say another common technique for restricting unprofitable growth is insisting on hard-to-locate paperwork upfront. Proof that the plumbing’s been updated, say, or documentation of work done on the roof. “It’s a way to say, we don’t want the business,” said Gaspar.

Last summer, Nationwide said it was requiring customers to supply documentation before the company would provide quotes for some new home or auto insurance products in certain states. The company, which declined to name the affected states, said the move was a response to “strong headwinds” buffeting the industry.

For years, state regulations kept insurance relatively cheap in California. Insurers usually requested rate increases of less than 7% because of a 35-year-old law that made it harder to raise rates by more.

That 7% norm appears to be a thing of the past. State Farm and others stopped selling new home insurance in the state. “For many Californians, this is an insurance emergency,” state insurance commissioner Ricardo Lara told state legislators in December.

The state regulator granted ASI Select Insurance, owned by Progressive, a 25% average home-insurance rate increase last August, affecting more than 40,000 policyholders, state filings show. Progressive didn’t respond to requests for comment.

Last fall, Lara said he would accede to a longstanding industry demand to allow rate increases to reflect predicted future losses from wildfires, rather than historic damages only. The regulator also said he would consider allowing companies to pass reinsurance cost increases through to policyholders.

Other states deserted by many big insurers, including Florida, are trying to tempt companies back by making it harder for policyholders to sue them.

Despite some concessions from regulators, insurers are bracing for a tough future. Allstate’s Wilson said that everywhere in the country is at some risk from increasingly severe weather. “There is no place that’s safe,” he said, “and no place that’s not going to be impacted.”

Given America's gun culture I kinda feel like we could just replace auto insurance with duels held at roadside, loser pays all costs for both vehicles.

Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Monday, 8 January 2024 17:49 (eight months ago) link

feel like some states are going to keep on heading to a housing/auto wild west where nobody can get homeowner's insurance or auto insurance at all and thus can't get mortgages or car loans

Disco Biollante (Neanderthal), Monday, 8 January 2024 17:56 (eight months ago) link

I feel about insurance the way I feel about coat checks at clubs: If it's mandatory, it should be free. If you're legally requiring people to have insurance, then there has to be a provider to give it to them no matter what. If that's the government, fine. Personally, I think people should forgo insurance and just learn to be a little more Zen about their possessions, but I recognize that that's a minority opinion.

Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Monday, 8 January 2024 18:02 (eight months ago) link

insurance covers more than possessions is the very obvious rejoinder

close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Monday, 8 January 2024 18:25 (eight months ago) link

the requirement to have it for vehicles, in execution, isn't for any benefit of the populace, it's used as a classist mechanism to prevent poor people from wrecking rich people's expensive rides and the poor rich folk having to spend more money out of pocket to fix their phallic symbol.

in a perfect world, everybody would have insurance, but on a sliding scale, cost-wise. instead, insurers penalize struggling people by jacking up rates for people with low credit scores, which just means these people can't afford to repair their car or do maintenance on it, and then have to put themselves and other people at risk by driving vehicles with significant problems. ironically causing more accidental and personal injury claims to pay out.

my best friend told me how much she pays a month for car insurance and I almost shit. I thought mine was high.

Disco Biollante (Neanderthal), Monday, 8 January 2024 18:28 (eight months ago) link

There is a mildly amusing early 1990s fantasy novel called Flying Dutch, by Tom Holt.

In it, a sea captain buys an insurance policy but mysteriously fails to die. The result is that the value of his insurance policy becomes worth more than the entire world's economy.

Insurance remains a weirdly circular problem - you can't afford a disaster, but part of the reason you can't afford a disaster is because you've spent much of your life paying someone money just in case you have a disaster.

And because lots of people have insurance, lots of disasters are paid for from the pool. And the pricing reflects that, and everyone involved knows it. But the industry knows how to count, so it ensures that they always profit.

A mess. Just one of many messes we have inherited from our elders.

CthulhuLululemon (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 8 January 2024 19:09 (eight months ago) link


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