Two Families Got Fed Up With Their States’ Politics. So They Moved Out.
some incredible nyt pitchbot-ass false equivalencing in this one:
"After Iowa banned gender-affirming medical care for minors, criminalizing their son’s treatments, the Nobles — lifelong Iowans — concluded they had to get out."
"Jesse Jordan, of Tennessee, said he and his fiancée had considered moving to Oregon after Tennessee leaders adopted a near-total abortion ban, with no exception for a fatal fetal abnormality. “It has become kind of unthinkable for us to pursue a pregnancy in this state,” Mr. Jordan said."
vs.
“One thing I do like about Missouri, there’s lots of American flags,” Mr. Huckins said as he steered around a traffic circle where the Stars and Stripes flapped crisply on a pole. “In Portland, the American flag was offensive.”
"Matthew Krall, an accountant, has no regrets about moving his family in 2019 to Tennessee from California, where he was frustrated by that state’s Democratic governor and liberal policies. When Mr. Krall and his neighbors discuss politics now in his conservative suburb outside Nashville, “it’s more of an agreeable conversation,” he said."
― rob, Saturday, 7 October 2023 15:59 (eleven months ago) link
god this thing just gets worse and worse. it turns out that the portlanders who left OR supposedly because of the city's politics--the entire thesis of this terrible article--have *grandchildren* in the area of MO they moved to lmao
― rob, Saturday, 7 October 2023 17:01 (eleven months ago) link
lol okay
While there is no precise count of how many Americans have relocated because of politics and social issues, interviews with demographers and people who have moved or are considering moving, as well as a review of social-media postings and polling, show the phenomenon is real.
― mookieproof, Saturday, 7 October 2023 21:46 (eleven months ago) link
"some people are saying"
― out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Saturday, 7 October 2023 21:51 (eleven months ago) link
TEACH THE CONTROVERSY
― Tracer Hand, Saturday, 7 October 2023 22:27 (eleven months ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/mlaffBT.jpg
at the risk of defending david french, the column itself isn't horrible. but evidently the NYT's editors want people to think it is
― mookieproof, Monday, 9 October 2023 08:30 (eleven months ago) link
Not All Karens
― Prop Dramedy (Old Lunch), Monday, 9 October 2023 11:48 (eleven months ago) link
no the column is pretty horrible.
― a (waterface), Monday, 9 October 2023 12:09 (eleven months ago) link
But just as older Americans can have an obligation to let go of professions and power, young Americans can have obligations to hold on to their elders, to treasure them rather than shove them aside. Ancient wisdom can speak to modern conflicts, and ever since the onset of the generational conflicts during the pandemic, I’ve pondered a key part of the Westminster Larger Catechism, an almost 400-year-old statement of Protestant theology. It takes an expansive view of the Fifth Commandment, “Honor thy father and thy mother.” The catechism asserts that father and mother don’t merely refer to your biological parents, but to “all superiors in age and gifts.”
this is just shit
― a (waterface), Monday, 9 October 2023 12:12 (eleven months ago) link
yeah that column was execrable
― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Monday, 9 October 2023 13:59 (eleven months ago) link
yeah lol that's a pure no way nyt for me
― rob, Monday, 9 October 2023 16:01 (eleven months ago) link
Do people even say 'OK boomer' anymore?
― jmm, Monday, 9 October 2023 16:05 (eleven months ago) link
well luckily for young Americans whenever older people lose their jobs they're willing to spend all day online imparting their Ancient Wisdom.
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Monday, 9 October 2023 16:07 (eleven months ago) link
new borad description
― rob, Monday, 9 October 2023 16:11 (eleven months ago) link
I think many have moved onto "fuck you boomer"
― insert nothing here (Eric H.), Monday, 9 October 2023 16:35 (eleven months ago) link
listen, old people have a slower response time than younger people. apparently by 2-3 years
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Monday, 9 October 2023 21:53 (eleven months ago) link
"Don't trust anyone over 30": the ageist slogan that must be stopped
― jmm, Monday, 9 October 2023 23:39 (eleven months ago) link
don’t trust anyone under 30 or over 45
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Monday, 9 October 2023 23:43 (eleven months ago) link
I don't know but I got harrumphed at by several elders on FB for calling Jann Wenner a "prototype of white Boomer male entitlement" — there was a lot of "not all Boomers!" stuff. Boomers are very easily butthurt by this stuff. One guy told me that even using the word "Boomer" was a slur. lol.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Monday, 9 October 2023 23:55 (eleven months ago) link
I mean, I don’t see any reason to deny using Boomer as a slur, if it matches your intention
― insert nothing here (Eric H.), Tuesday, 10 October 2023 00:11 (eleven months ago) link
the truth is the truth
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Tuesday, 10 October 2023 01:06 (eleven months ago) link
OTOH, I have no problem calling it FaceBoomer
― Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 10 October 2023 05:54 (eleven months ago) link
― deep wubs and tribral rhythms (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 10 October 2023 08:35 (eleven months ago) link
is the nyt aware of the existence of colleges that aren't elite expensive private institutions?
― rob, Thursday, 9 November 2023 16:49 (ten months ago) link
you mean where the poors go to learn?
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Thursday, 9 November 2023 16:59 (ten months ago) link
Barely, judging by the recent articles written by their higher ed reporters:https://www.nytimes.com/by/anemona-hartocollishttps://www.nytimes.com/by/vimal-patel
― jaymc, Thursday, 9 November 2023 17:58 (ten months ago) link
you mean like Barnard and Sarah Lawrence and stuff?
― budo jeru, Thursday, 9 November 2023 19:21 (ten months ago) link
lol
https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_fullsize/plain/did:plc:m34vt2ca7xdvivhgibpxc46r/bafkreiewgp5xh2tojvxb4m4avw5omjshnqripmv43hmzubk77i6lbzhos4@jpeg
― rob, Friday, 10 November 2023 14:08 (ten months ago) link
The New York Times needs to expand its reach to include the more modest, mainstream institutions of higher education where most American students go, like Cornell
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 10 November 2023 14:31 (ten months ago) link
Was gonna say, "Whaddya expect them to write about, Brown?"
― Dwigt Rortugal (Eric H.), Friday, 10 November 2023 14:38 (ten months ago) link
heckuva school
― Left, Friday, 10 November 2023 15:04 (ten months ago) link
My first thought was "Stanford is going to be really pissed off about this" until I realized that it's just as plausible that Stanford paid the NYT to be left off.
― Elvis Telecom, Monday, 20 November 2023 20:07 (ten months ago) link
Let’s Talk About Biden, Trump and … Taylor Swift
― rob, Monday, 27 November 2023 20:52 (ten months ago) link
jfc: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/11/business/dealbook/universities-antisemitism-harvard-mit-penn.html
Who Should Run Universities?In the wake of a controversy at the University of Pennsylvania and Harvard over antisemitism, a debate has arisen over whether academics are best suited to lead big schools.
In the wake of a controversy at the University of Pennsylvania and Harvard over antisemitism, a debate has arisen over whether academics are best suited to lead big schools.
I probably don't need to remind anyone here that Dealbook just hosted Elon Musk immediately after his public embrace of antisemitism
― rob, Monday, 11 December 2023 18:22 (nine months ago) link
schools should be run LIKE A BUSINESS
oh wait
― STUPID CRAP FACE (Neanderthal), Monday, 11 December 2023 18:24 (nine months ago) link
Coming from business doesn’t guarantee success either: Simon Newman, a former financier, resigned as president of a Maryland college after reportedly comparing struggling freshmen to bunnies that should be drowned or shot.
Had to look into this more.
The Mount St. Mary’s campus has been in turmoil since word leaked in January through The Mountain Echo, the student newspaper, that Newman had compared struggling students to bunnies that need to be drowned or killed with a Glock. The metaphor grabbed attention, but educators said the underlying debate was what really mattered.Newman had proposed to use a survey -- on which freshmen would be told there were no wrong answers -- to identify those at risk of dropping out and to encourage them to do so in the first weeks of the semester. The idea was to raise the university’s retention rate, since those who leave very early in the semester don’t count in the total enrollment figures. Many professors and some administrators protested the plan, saying that the university has an obligation to try to educate those it admits.
Newman had proposed to use a survey -- on which freshmen would be told there were no wrong answers -- to identify those at risk of dropping out and to encourage them to do so in the first weeks of the semester. The idea was to raise the university’s retention rate, since those who leave very early in the semester don’t count in the total enrollment figures. Many professors and some administrators protested the plan, saying that the university has an obligation to try to educate those it admits.
https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2016/03/01/president-quits-mount-st-marys
Like, even without the metaphor, this is deranged.
― jmm, Monday, 11 December 2023 19:10 (nine months ago) link
this is how colleges see their students
― treeship., Monday, 11 December 2023 19:15 (nine months ago) link
Taylor Swift should run universities, of course
― The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 11 December 2023 19:32 (nine months ago) link
The metaphor grabbed attention, but educators said the underlying debate was what really mattered.
― stuffing your suit pockets with cold, stale chicken tende (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 11 December 2023 19:33 (nine months ago) link
Bret Stephens
Claudine Gay and the Limits of Social Engineering at Harvard
― rob, Wednesday, 3 January 2024 16:27 (eight months ago) link
well yeah
― poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 3 January 2024 16:35 (eight months ago) link
jfc lol
Claudine Gay: What Just Happened at Harvard Is Bigger Than Me
Charles M. BlowThe Persecution of President Gay
Ross DouthatHarvard Couldn’t Save Both Claudine Gay and Itself
Letters From Our ReadersThe Fallout From a Resignation at Harvard
― rob, Thursday, 4 January 2024 16:19 (eight months ago) link
This story is so far along the discourse/outrage cycle that I really can’t figure out what exactly happened besides “Chris Rufo”
― The SoyBoy West Coast (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 4 January 2024 16:54 (eight months ago) link
Lol congrats to the NYT, the Washington Post, and the Atlantic for getting played like a fucking fiddle by this leering dipshit, great job guys pic.twitter.com/3CCJViryiE— Jay Willis (@jaywillis) January 4, 2024
― stephen miller is not your friend (Eric H.), Thursday, 4 January 2024 17:01 (eight months ago) link
for all its baseline biases and blind spots i think the nyt has a particular thing for harvard - they see themselves as the flagship paper of record of the country and the western world, and harvard as the analogous educational institution. so it's all but irresistible for them to slobber all over it when shit goes down there. doesn't make it any better
― Lavator Shemmelpennick, Thursday, 4 January 2024 17:23 (eight months ago) link
As O said in the other thread, Rufo is a self-promoter and fraud, Gay is out only because billionaire donors (people with actual money) didn’t like her.
― Expansion to Mackerel (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 4 January 2024 17:28 (eight months ago) link
they've lost their fucking minds:
Tressie McMillan CottomThe Claudine Gay Debacle Was Never About Merit
Charles SeifeThe Problems Only Start With Plagiarism
(the Cottom piece is probably fine, but it's for their own good that we don't click on these things)
― rob, Thursday, 4 January 2024 22:34 (eight months ago) link
Cottom's essay is good
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Thursday, 4 January 2024 22:51 (eight months ago) link
i think the nyt has a particular thing for harvard
the more petty reason is many of the writers and editors either went to harvard/yale/princeton, wanted to go there and were turned down, and/or know a bunch of dicks that went there.
― that's not my post, Friday, 5 January 2024 00:10 (eight months ago) link
I thought you guys would be talking about this one
Every declining empire for some reason ends up being like just one more invasion of Afghanistan bro I promise bro just one more is all I need pic.twitter.com/nMftzLkXg0— Liam Bright (@lastpositivist) January 4, 2024
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Friday, 5 January 2024 00:19 (eight months ago) link