Israel/Palestine post 10/7 - follow-on events/thoughts as relate to other countries

Don't know much about this organization but this seems like one way to counteract those who try to stir hate:

The pro-Palestine protesters made it clear that the masked neo-Nazis were not welcome, chanting “Nazis Go Home,” and “show your faces, you fucking cowards,” the Daily Montanan reported.

That is just one of the tactics that organizers of pro-Palestine solidarity protests can use to make clear to neo-Nazis that they are not welcome in that movement, according to Ben Lorber, an extremism expert who is working on a book about antisemitism. “It is vital for Palestine liberation organizers and progressive activists to recognize and counter far-right actors who stand diametrically opposed to the movement’s principles and goals,” Lorber wrote in a recent guide for organizers.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/k7zx5a/neo-nazis-hijack-pro-palestine-protest-mike-enoch

Personally, I find it much better to see an effort to recognize and counteract this kind of thing, rather than dismissing or denying that it exists

that's encouraging

Black-Jewish Alliance ✊🏿✡
@BlackJewishA
Police are attempting to arrest Jews in prayer.

We shout “let us pray” for Palestine.

The police have confiscated copies of our speeches.

GET YOUR COP HANDS OFF OUR JEWISH COMRADES

Video of harassment within that tweet.

https://www.theartnewspaper.com/2023/11/02/frick-museum-in-pittsburgh-postpones-islamic-art-exhibition-over-fears-it-would-appear-insensitive-or-traumatic-amid-gaza-war

“When war broke out in the Middle East, we were as heartbroken as everyone, and we realised that we were about to open an exhibition that a forgiving person would call insensitive, but for many people, especially in our community, would be traumatic.”

it's so insensitive and traumatic that muslims exist

this whole thing is so devastating.

This is where stuff like "It would be insensitive to publish this book about Soviet dissidents at this time" leads to.

yeah that is obviously ridiculous

An Israeli air strike on the Bureij refugee camp today

https://x.com/ramabdu/status/1720067423238308122

If you use this thread on anything going on in Gaza or Israel.

Israel, Palestine & the Levant rolling events: Oct 23 on

The dissonance in reading about individuals expressing concerns about anti-Semitic violence rising in North America while 400 Arab children are dying every day in Gaza is, frankly, enraging

I have seen videos of anti-Semitic violence over the past week. These videos are exclusively Jewish peace protesters getting harassed by cops in North America, Orthodox Jewish peace protesters getting beaten by Israeli Police in Israel

My heart is ripped in two for my Jewish friends who are saying “not in my name” and being disowned, being called “self-hating Jews”, or— as the Times Of Jerusalem said in an op-ed two days ago: “anti-Zionists who claim to be Jewish are as Jewish as the Westboro Baptist Church that claimed to be Christian”

Jfc just because you’re saying “stop bombing Gaza” doesn’t make you “anti-Zionist”, to begin with

I was bothered by a now ex-friend who told me “how can you call it Gazan genocide when they (the Gazans) procreate so quickly”; fine, first I will block you and never speak to you again, second I will call it something else. What, tho? Israel already doesn’t acknowledge a nakba exists. Anti-war Jews are liberally calling it a holocaust, a shoah; those terms are not allowed to me as a non-Jew.

I feel like one can’t even call it “war” or “a conflict”; Gideon Levy argued that it is neither of these things, that it is a violent occupation, nothing more

Haaretz today reports Netanyahu’s latest speech: “nothing can stop us”.

Anyway, 9000 Gazans dead today, 3 hostages returned, congrats everyone

“anti-Zionists who claim to be Jewish are as Jewish as the Westboro Baptist Church that claimed to be Christian”

I mean ... fwiw, I do think a very not insignificant number of Christians are let's just say in Westboro's ballpark, if not on the same base

"I was bothered by a now ex-friend who told me “how can you call it Gazan genocide when they (the Gazans) procreate so quickly”"

So much hate.

(xp Not the point of the thread, I know, sorry)

"The dissonance in reading about individuals expressing concerns about anti-Semitic violence rising in North America while 400 Arab children are dying every day in Gaza is, frankly, enraging"

posters on this board are worried about their children being bullied at school for being Jewish

Sorry if my posts were emotional or “in the wrong thread” I shouldn’t post when I’m in a news consumption crying spiral, and I shouldn’t read pro-violence NYT articles (or the NYT at all), I am going to call a friend

I agree with everything else in your post, but you can be horrified by the massacre of innocents in Gaza (and the West Bank) while also being worried about anti-semitic violence

Tbh, the biggest “holy shit what are you guys doing” anti-Semitism concern over the past week has been seeing people on social media cheering on “Yemen declares war on Israel” when it’s the Houthis declaring war, not the Yemeni gvmt, and if anybody is cheering for Houthis then we have a big fucking problem

I have been seeing the odd report of AS attacks across Europe now, like this one.

A Moldovan couple arrested for allegedly spray-painting Stars of David on a Paris school last week reportedly told investigators they were acting on orders from an “individual in Russia.”https://t.co/VvJOmmoCAh

— The Daily Beast (@thedailybeast) November 2, 2023

in the larger world, the anti-semitism is probably largely being driven by people who care less about the plight of the Palestinian people and care more about being anti-semitic, and seeing an opportunity for an opening to be a bit more free with their bigotry.

"zionist jews" now trending on twitter, that's that shit i don't like

Caitlyn Jenner's dead name is also trending there today, which says it all

sorry meant to post on the "is this anti-semitism?" thread

I thought this was pretty good:

You are criticizing Israel wrong. Here’s how to do it correctly. pic.twitter.com/DiwBTJOuiG

— Matt Lieb?? (@mattlieb) October 28, 2023

nice to finally see a video of Van Horn Street

in the larger world, the anti-semitism is probably largely being driven by people who care less about the plight of the Palestinian people and care more about being anti-semitic, and seeing an opportunity for an opening to be a bit more free with their bigotry.

― omar little, Thursday, November 2, 2023 12:29 PM (ten minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

This is upsetting me a lot right now. I know it sounds naïve but I was genuinely surprised at how fast people seized the opportunity to be flat out anti-Semitic. I grew up spending 1/2 the year in a mostly Jewish community in NY where I as a gentile was often the odd one out. 3 of my 5 lifelong close friends are Jewish. I said to one of them yesterday that I think I grew up in this little bubble were I didn't realize how much anti-semitism there still was out there and he was like yeah no shit you're from NY. Anyway - there are a million upsetting things (upsetting isn't anywhere near strong enough) happening right now but I have been thinking a lot about exactly this, OL. :/

it's not good. i have a friend who was indulging in some "deep thoughts" about judaism around the time kanye was on one about jewish people, and i had an instagram convo w/him re: a couple of his posts. i don't know that i reached him, but i tried. another friend (no longer a friend) started to get very alt-right and was an associate of ow3n b3njamin for awhile, a podcast comedian type guy who started to get into some anti-semitic and racist stuff a few years ago. that particular friend is long gone. he was at my wedding. he probably helped hold me up high in my chair during the hora. he just wound up being a particularly "bad actor" in life. and a pernicious influence on others.

i live in a bubble in Los Angeles obv, but shit does happen here. threats against synagogues, anti-semitic graffiti on a famous local deli last night, etc...

the Poetry Foundation shelved a 3500-word review of a poetry book that discusses the book's criticisms of Israel...the poet author of the book is, of course, Jewish, and so is the reviewer.

The donor pocketbook is where artistic freedom hits a wall

This is where stuff like "It would be insensitive to publish this book about Soviet dissidents at this time" leads to.

― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes)

yeah that is obviously ridiculous

― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive)

Reflexive censorship of art always seems to crop up when wars begin and wartime propaganda cranks up the red hot rhetoric. Even as recently as the invasion of Ukraine there were ridiculous people calling for cancellation of symphonies by Russian composers as a sign of solidarity with Ukrainians.

O rly

If a HAMAS sympathizer or a HAMAS-adjacent amateur lone wolf carries out a gun attack in the USA killing more than 10 people in the name is Palestine … this poll will flip like a flapjack. https://t.co/NkWdyaliV7

— Malcolm Nance (@MalcolmNance) November 2, 2023

and if my granny had wheels, she'd be a bicycle. I like the specificity of ten or more people, it shows a vigorous imagination.

Reflexive censorship of art always seems to crop up when wars begin and wartime propaganda cranks up the red hot rhetoric. Even as recently as the invasion of Ukraine there were ridiculous people calling for cancellation of symphonies by Russian composers as a sign of solidarity with Ukrainians.

― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, November 2, 2023 1:41 PM (five hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
My kid’s teacher canceled their Russia unit. Like I really don’t think it matters to Ukrainian lives whether our kids are learning about faberge eggs and Baryshnikov

re: that poll.. I'm not really sure that Israel needs much military support anyway... they're a major arms manufacturer/exporter, inventors of the Uzi submachine gun. And they seemed to have no issues selling arms to South Africa's white minority government

and yet the House just approved 14.5 billion in aide to Israel for some reason

$4 billion for the Iron Dome, which kind of seems like locking the gate after the dog gets out.

Wake Forest professor resigns after backlash due to tweet

https://journalnow.com/news/local/wake-professor-resigns-following-backlash-of-social-media-post-on-israeli-hamas-war/article_4e1022a4-78ea-11ee-a828-ffa8e334019a.html

(She’s a really good poet, fwiw!)

14.5 billion in aide to Israel for some reason

er, mm, by long tradition all those billions can only be spent on armaments produced by US-based death merchants military-industrial complex manufacturers.

And lots of defence contracting

Protests are being planned for Armistice Day. Looks like the match will be lit on the tiniest pretence

"They died for your freedom, but don't you dare think about exercising it." https://t.co/xyCICKV35j

— James B (@piercepenniless) November 3, 2023

Clare Hymer
@ClareHymer
HAPPENING NOW: Another peaceful sit-in calling for a ceasefire in Gaza, this time at Kings Cross Station.

the only additional freedoms that came because of GB participation in the world wars was the bankrupting and partial destruction of an evil global empire and the resultant decline arguably sped up the process of decolonisation that followed. "Protect our freedoms" my fucking arsehole, it was a warfare state that forced conscripts onto the battlefield, which is the absolute opposite of freedom.

David Adler
@davidrkadler
New bill in the French 🇫🇷 Senate : 'An insult committed against the State of Israel is punishable by two years of imprisonment and a fine of 75,000 euros.'

I don't even want to paste in what Germany are doing, just utterly disgusting

Belgian transport workers saved the lives of thousands of Jews in the 1940s by unlocking the doors of trains headed for the extermination camps. Now, they're refusing to load weapons onto ships headed to Israel. This is a meaningful & timeless solidarity with humanity. pic.twitter.com/kvcUMcnJd7

— Amro Ali (@_amroali) November 3, 2023

Wokeness run amok

Scoop: Blinken told Israeli war cabinet humanitarian pause will buy Israel time for Gaza operation. My story on @axioshttps://t.co/PkpZ8vrk5H

— Barak Ravid (@BarakRavid) November 4, 2023

Sorry, I blocked the Nazi social media website but it seems as if somebody is accusing Biden in being “complicit” in Palestinian massacre? What a concept

Mr Goldspring added: "I would love to say you are remorseful. I suspect you are not.

"I suspect your views will be held until something happens very differently in that area of the world."

the judge of all people seems very confused about what it is about their conduct that they are even being convicted of

Pretty grim piece from a well-meaning Middle Eastern Studies prof who tried to give a talk about the historical roots of the conflict at his hometown library in California and got (literally) canceled.

https://www.insidehighered.com/opinion/views/2025/06/05/they-dont-want-learn-about-middle-east-opinion

People have truly lost their minds. I could compile dozens more links, but here's two things I ran across today without particularly looking:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jun/06/michigan-university-gaza-surveillance

https://bsky.app/profile/nerdjpg.com/post/3lqu6znzqnk2m

As much as I broadly understand the reasons for it, this constant demand for fealty to a foreign nation that is committing countless extremely public and undeniable atrocities and war crimes on a daily basis is mentally destabilizing.

And it's wild that Israel's not-even-hiding-it genocidal leaders are setting the boundaries of acceptable discourse. It's not enough for the sole Muslim candidate for NYC mayor to be manipulated into asserting that Israel has a right to exist — a pressing municipal issue ofc, and let's overlook the fact that the current mayor had a corrupt relationship with a fascist foreign regime while we're devising obvious trap questions for one candidate — he has to say he would visit Israel and Israel has the right to exist as a Jewish nation, essentially endorsing apartheid or ethnic cleansing or genocide.

Anyway, the Guardian piece on UMich hiring goons to follow students around is more disturbing (though also faintly ludicrous if you watch the videos), but idk that debate clip captures the rotten zeitgeist.

disgusting. I hate this country.

Not that this is much consolation, but the asshole University of Michigan president who instituted that surveillance regime — and disbanded the campus DEI offices — did it seemingly in part to make himself more attractive to run the University of Florida. But despite being selected by the U of Fla. Board of Regents, he was shot down this week by the state's DeSantis-dominated Board of Governors, who thought he was faking his anti-woke principles — although only after raking him over the coals and making him prostrate himself over and over in a four-hour public meeting. And now he's out of a job, so sad.

The utter cynicism and disregard for actual Jewish people that it takes to distort the concept of antisemitism into a tool to persecute the same ol political enemies you were going to persecute anyway.. It’s beyond offensive, I don’t know what to call it.

off-topic, but these were Santa Ono's supposed views on diversity as President of UBC in 2020: https://ubctoday.ubc.ca/news/october-10-2020/santa-onos-letter-community-update-addressing-issues-equity-diversity-and

I guess if his prospective employers didn't like his principles, he had others

Yeah that was some of what the DeSantisoids brought up — rightly suspecting him of being an anti-woke bandwagoneer.

imagine thinking literally any uni president has principles lmfao

This is so disgusting

Merz on Fox News blames “imported antisemitism” on the “large numbers of migrants” pic.twitter.com/4M5E5dhDTA

— James Jackson (@derJamesJackson) June 6, 2025

I still don’t totally understand why calling Zionists and Israel-supporters “fascists” is dangerous when those are just facts, but anyway, here’s some gross stuff from the head of the ADL .

https://forward.com/news/726133/greenblatt-adl-protesters-terrorists/ ADL chief compares student protesters to Islamist terrorists

“There is a throughline from Occupy Wall Street to BLM to ‘defund the police’ to ‘River to the Sea,’” he added, referring to the Black Lives Matter movement launched last decade ago to protest police violence. “They are the same people, these are the same kind of nihilists.”

yeah no reason to think about Greenblatt as anything but a racist fascist at this point

https://i.imgflip.com/9wmlgm.jpg

The Freedom Flotilla Coalition has confirmed that the volunteers aboard the Madleen have been kidnapped by 🇮🇱 forces.
The coalition is calling on the public to pressure their governments to take immediate action to ensure the safety and release of those on board.

Is Greta still enough of a consensus figure that govts will feel pressured to take a stand on this? Or has her unwillingness to play nice with the establishment made it so they feel they can just handwave this the same way they've been doing when the victims were not white or famous?

she’s been demonised for years now so i’m guessing the latter

Right wing line on this is that they are being treated nicely by the IDF and are just doing this for attention.

Is Greta still enough of a consensus figure that govts will feel pressured to take a stand on this? Or has her unwillingness to play nice with the establishment made it so they feel they can just handwave this the same way they've been doing when the victims were not white or famous?

I lean towards the latter here, though I think her unwillingness to play nice with the establishment isn't actually the much of a factor. I don't think swapping out Greta for Taylor Swift or Roger Federer would change all that much

are you fucking kidding, do you have any idea what something bad happening to Taylor Swift would do to the internet

I probably chose an extreme example here, but I think over the 5-10 years a lot of work has gone into denigrating celebrities of all types (or, perhaps, more success has been achieved). If Roger or Taylor were to be in Greta's position, they would also automatically inherit much of the negativity created for Greta.

But the question isn't really whether it would generate a huge amount of outrage if something happened to Taylor. After all, there is already a huge amount of outrage about what is happening in Gaza. The question is whether a government would be pressured to take any action over it. 10 years ago I think the answer would be absolutely. Today? I think thats an open question

he admit it

US ambassador to Israel says US no longer pursuing goal of independent Palestinian state

Mike Huckabee, the US ambassador to Israel, has said that the US is no longer pursuing the goal of an independent Palestinian state, marking what analysts describe as the most explicit abandonment yet of a cornerstone of US Middle East diplomacy.

Asked during an interview with Bloomberg News if a Palestinian state remains a goal of US policy, he replied: “I don’t think so.”

did he say it with a chuckle? with a grim shake of his head? or was he just confused and uninformed?

mike huckabee is the us ambassador to israel? god help us all

The next step will be to stop using the word 'Gaza' and only refer to it as Trump Mediterranean Golf Resort & Casino

xpost sorry, Mike's God is only going to help 144 thousand of us.

Is he a JW? I don’t think he is, rather he’s one of those Christian Zionists who calls Israel ‘Judea and Samaria’.

xp ...and only the ones who convert to Christianity so good luck babe

Is he a JW?

It's a Left Behind thing too.

Dispensationalist Tim LaHaye, in his commentary Revelation: Illustrated and Made Plain (Zondervan, 1975), considers the 144,000 in Revelation 7 to refer to Jews and those in Revelation 14 to refer to Christians.

Is he a JW? I don’t think he is, rather he’s one of those Christian Zionists who calls Israel ‘Judea and Samaria’.

nailed it

“Unless there are some significant things that happen that change the culture, there’s no room for it,” Huckabee was quoted as saying. Those probably won’t happen “in our lifetime”, he told the news agency.

When pressed on Palestinian aspirations in the West Bank, where 3 million Palestinians live under Israeli occupation, Huckabee employed Israeli government terminology, asking: “Does it have to be in Judea and Samaria?”

the idea is that the nearby predominately-Muslim nations can all chip in a few square miles, donate some idle territory, so that the Israelis aren't inconvenienced by these pesky, needy Palestinians

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/valedictorian-told-to-stay-home-after-making-pro-palestinian-remarks-in-grad-speech-1.5758371

The valedictorian at a west Ottawa high school says she's been told not to come to school Monday after she made pro-Palestinian remarks during a speech at her commencement ceremony.

Elizabeth Yao largely focused on highlights from the past four years at Bell High School during her speech on Thursday, including a memorable waffle fundraiser and the days spent dozing off while reading Shakespeare.

Her comments on the war in Gaza came at the end, after a land acknowledgement.

"As a commitment to truth and reconciliation, I must acknowledge colonial and genocidal atrocities today, including the massacre of more than 17,000 Palestinian children in Gaza," Yao said, breaking off as the crowd cheered.

The next day, Yao said she received a call from her principal, who said her statements had "caused harm" and told her she shouldn't come to school on Monday.

Call me naive at this point, but I am still a little perplexed at how compulsory the consensus on Israel's innocence is, that Israel must be permitted to pursue its murderous imperialism not only without hindrance but without so much as a single comment, trickling down to the absolutely powerless scene of a high school graduation in Canada. Utterly grotesque and immoral of course, but also just fucking bizarre — I'd be genuinely interested to hear of historical parallels.

I think I've mentioned this before, but right now, and in all sorts of areas, it feels like the disconnect between what ordinary people feel and what authorities and media are pushing as the consensus has never been more extreme.

definitely otm

It's so weird to act like it's beyond the pale to criticize another country's government. Especially in the U.S., where that's completely protected free speech, but a lot of people act like it's not. Like, even actual antisemitism is protected by the 1st amendment, never mind critiques of Israel's military campaigns.

I would have thought it went without saying in the US but it seems to have spread to other countries.

Sorry, but this happened in Canada, where politicians have to apologize for attending Kendrick Lamar concerts.

In the UK there are UNICEF TV adverts raising money for children in Gaza, do you get those in the US?

We do have hate speech laws here but that is obviously irrelevant in this case

Xp
Here = Canada

https://www.democracynow.org/2025/6/24/headlines/danish_shipping_giant_maersk_to_divest_from_firms_linked_to_israeli_settlements

completely protected free speech

You're confused. We used to have that here, but it was abolished in January.

1. Worth revisiting the debate between @ezraklein and Ta-Nehisi Coates about Israel/Palestine because there's a specific factual point that Klein got very wrong which he should apologize for. Klein insisted that unlike Hamas, Netanyahu was not "specifically targeting killing… pic.twitter.com/7D84IEgA9k

— Jeet Heer (@HeerJeet) June 27, 2025

Saw a video of a "death to the IDF" chant at a Palestine march in Melbourne. Good stuff.

https://news.sky.com/story/british-israeli-soldier-killed-while-fighting-in-gaza-reports-say-13390342

Good on how Gaza is changing US politics. Might be too little too late for this moment. Nevertheless..

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/zohran-mamdani-israel-stance-democratic-party-lesson.html

you'd never know it by what the major US national politicians and media outlets say but a lot of normal americans *actually don't like* waking up every day and seeing that israel gunned down 30 more gazans who were trying to get food from an aid station

a nation committing genocide calling the *entire rest of the world* anti-semitic is rendering the term useless for actual anti-semitism, of which there is still plenty -- not least in the trump administration

four months ago ranking democratic senator chuck schumer said his 'job' was to 'keep the left pro-israel'! which is yet another reason he has to go