Bluesky an' clear: the social media app that will definitely last forever

i really dislike the .bskysocial at the end of every handle. it’s one of the lamest ugliest and most “mastodon energy” things about the site. and i don’t want to register a domain to be at the end of my handle, i just want nothing. as long as they keep the invite-only system, if they just ban people for impersonating, shouldn’t be too much of a problem since it would be costly to get back in each time. so those two design features seem complementary

it is exactly like mastodon because the intention is to allow posts to be federated and they’re hoping multiple providers pop up and join the network

I do see accounts with other suffixes, so I guess ppl are setting up their own AT Protocol servers?

IIUC those are just people using custom domain names as handles. Federation is not turned on yet.

suspect that all this federation protocols etc is just gonna end up a largely pointless hassle, most people dont care they just wanna post, bluesky doesnt even have dms gdamn

xp Ah, thanks... I wasn't sure what was happening there.

TBH, I'm not even totally clear of the value of federation in the ActivityPub "fediverse." From what I understood, getting two servers to talk to each other (whether they're running the same software or not – Mastodon or any of the others) is all dependent on whether the folks running the server you're on decide to flip the switch... and you could switch servers, but... It just feels highly speculative in terms of future benefit, for something that folks in that world are so focused on.

Yeah there’s a tension right now because bsky is pretty close to what people want, but their roadmap is to turn it into one part of a system that no one except tpot libertarians, blockchain people and other cranks want.

I do like how the AT Protocol allows you to bring your posts & followers with you if you switch servers; that def seems like an improvement over how ActivityPub works (not that I really understand why folks on Mastodon go around switching servers all the time...).

I think federation is overall good but no one has done it in a way that people like with twitter-like social media. That and the fact that people don’t really think of things as service providers, they think of them as platforms.

I ostensibly have an email account that my internet service provider has given me, but I never use that. I use mostly gmail outside of work, because it’s convenient and I shrug off the monetization aspect. But I at least recognize that email is an open protocol and I could jump providers at any time.

The pedant in me finally stopped cringing due to my associating things this way. “Do you have a facebook?” always bugged me because you have a facebook account or facebook page. Your entire presence there isn’t yours at all, and it’s not portable.

If I have, say, a wordpress.com site I can export the entire thing and host it elsewhere with no one being the wiser as long as I’m not using a bunch of obvious proprietary junk. So you have a website.

I know phone numbers are passé for nearly all messaging but even those are portable. I’m not asking someone for their Verizon.

Sorry, felt like shouting into the void

I've been "enjoying" (more or less) using three different platforms, for different purposes. When I post, I mostly post different stuff on each one, and in a different "voice" (not in a performative way; more in the sense that the vibe & features of each platform sort of mold how I post there). Occasionally I'll post the same thing to a few of them, just to see what happens. (Nothing much, in my case...)

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they are testing federation now for whatever reason and whatever good that will do

under the covers, the replication and distribution that sites like twitter do are basically internal federation. it's just transparent to the users and means that only one provider controls the entire network

bluesky itself could tank but users could shift to another provider in the federation network

I dislike fediverse structure because any server can just go away at any time, which is precisely what happened to me when I tried mastodon for a bit - luckily I hadnt invested any time/real posts but the server was shut down presumably by whoever ran it so my account just vanished without warning or notification.

It just makes me think of the old IRC server structure. I feel like the people I know who like this crap are the same ppl who wish Usenet would come back.

Don't tell FediTips (@fedit✧✧✧@ms✧✧✧.soc✧✧✧), who insists that being on a big server (specifically, mastodon.social – the one I'm on), is bad for Reasons ("it just recreates the centralized experience," or something); and the ethical thing when joining Mastodon is to be on a small, boutique server.

(ha, weird, I didn't know those redactions would be triggered)

I had a different Mastodon account earlier in the year (before shutting it down and rejoining more recently) – that server would have an hour or two of downtime most nights, it was absurd.

bsky-social-cy6at-52no4
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I won't let this slander pass - Usenet was distributed exactly to avoid anyone being able to close a part of it down by taking their ball and going home.

It also spawned ILX, for better or worse.

Yeah tbh I liked Usenet as well. I was just shortcutting to "very oldschool user" trope.

Finally on: ephender.bsky.social

wait usenet spawned ilx?? i thought new york london paris munich / freaky trigger spawned ilx because wordpress comments didn’t work

Right, but a significant portion of the Freaky Trigger nucleus came from alt.music.alternative

Ned was a mainstay of a.m.a in the early 90s

Even pre alt.music.alternative was rec.music.misc, which had some future ILXors (including me).

Or maybe they were concurrent, but I remember us abandoning r.m.m for a.m.a when the former started to become more spam than content (which happened to a.m.a as well).

yeah I was a Usenet head from about 1992 to 2007 or so - this is the only place which has a similar vibe.

My Usenet haunts back in the day was alt.techsupport.recovery and aus.gothic.

Years worth of inane dribble, lost to the ether. Well not completely lost - its all still there in Google Groups but the weird formatitng makes it impossible to follow really.

sorry it was aus.culture.gothic. Confusing my Usenet and my IRC!

alt.music.pearl-jam babyee

bendy and i were on alt.music.chapel-hill

man rec.bicycles.racing got increasingly astonishingly hostile and weird and insider-y after i'd been around there for a couple years, like late 90s, it def made me unlikely to branch out or stay.

this is true of literally every usenet group I ever saw tho

bsky-social-qxllh-e2xbt
bsky-social-pneey-yi5va
bsky-social-d2s76-n5vpg
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bsky-social-rjd7f-a27gi

maybe those two groups are complete but google only archived a fraction of Usenet posts overall (another reason that following threads is often impossible)

Yeah sorry when I say its "all still there" it of course likely isnt, but I've certainly been able to find plenty of the 99-2002 era I was posting. And yeah a lot of threading's broken/mucked up.

Unfortunately for years now it's all been a wasteland of spam and porn and porn spam.

congrats to Ned on doing numbers

Unfortunately for years now it's all been a wasteland of spam and porn and porn spam.

congrats to Ned on doing numbers

It has been a DAY.

i think youre forgetting about whos really important here, the christian baby

very disappointed Ned's first plug wasn't ilx

how is christian babby formed

blimey, now albini is moving in on the parachuting baby chaos.
was a weird 5 mins when i woke up and checked my bluesky app this morning to say the least.

Roffle.

wait is the baby parachute thing really based on a quora question? like that's some content starvation stuff

yeah and apparently its a series

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:mxbft4m75i7frqznbpvimsza/bafkreiddmslo366z3ey4o4inpdvht6yfkr5522mmnuclfh3qgcrerckjya@jpeg

the wording is a bit unclear but it appears to be asking if you would it a home run with a christian baby or just a sac fly