Israel/Palestine post 10/7 - follow-on events/thoughts as relate to other countries

The Zoomers are all right:

https://www.browndailyherald.com/article/2023/11/an-open-letter-from-jewish-students

There is a big protest at Union Station in Toronto today, Jewish people staging a sit-in in solidarity with Palestinians.

https://x.com/surjto/status/1722601639666696560

That statement from the Jewish students of Brown is really good

Certainly the best student statement I’ve read

Yes, it's incredibly well-articulated. When you consider, too, that the most vitriolic anti-Semitism is being directed toward them, it's inspiring to see such erudition and grace in the face of such bullshit.

Just a week ago, an op-ed from The Jerusalem Post argued to strip anti-ceasefire Jewish protesters of their Judaism, calling them "un-Jews":

https://www.jpost.com/opinion/article-771479

*pro-ceasefire, excuse me

I really hope the students don't have their lives totally destroyed over this

I thought this was the most interesting part of that deeply unpleasant article:

The prominence of visibly Jewish anti-Zionists in the ongoing flood of bile and opprobrium targeting the Jewish state in the aftermath of the worst massacre of Jews since the Holocaust should repulse us all.

bile and opprobrium is right - the existence of these people is clearly irritating on an existential level - does "should repulse us all" imply that they aren't repulsing enough people yet?

There was an absolutely horrific editorial in the Jerusalem Post saying that left wing Jewish people involved in the protests shouldn’t be considered Jewish at all.

oh sorry, I didn’t scroll up.

I hope it goes no further than just being a horrific editorial - it is evidence that the protests are genuinely undermining their propaganda efforts which is something

Would like to find out where in halakha it is written that the editor of the Jerusalem Post has the power to determine who is and is not Jewish

https://www.timesofisrael.com/avi-mayer-prominent-pro-israel-activist-named-editor-of-the-jerusalem-post/

Propagandist zaddy tbf

fp

:)

I hope it goes no further than just being a horrific editorial - it is evidence that the protests are genuinely undermining their propaganda efforts which is something

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there are a lot of people in the israeli government very interested in adjudicating who exactly is jewish. small example below

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/politics-and-diplomacy/ultra-orthodox-mk-compares-reform-jews-to-pigs-672296

also waht is a person who is "visibly jewish" they see them at protests

I think there are still a lot of liberal American Jews, especially older ones, who don't realize that the Israeli right wing is also against them. It's easy to not get it if you just go hang out in Tel Aviv, see the Wailing Wall, and come home.

even the wailing wall isn't safe, the kind of thing described in the below article happens fairly regularly

https://www.timesofisrael.com/ultra-orthodox-clash-with-reform-worshipers-at-western-wall/

https://newrepublic.com/article/176781/open-letter-why-leaving-democratic-socialists-america

In the face of the wanton slaughter of innocents by Hamas, the calculated and depraved cruelty of its premeditated murder and kidnapping of the defenseless, including children and the elderly, several DSA locals—including its flagship New York City chapter—and the DSA International Committee promoted cheerleading demonstrations in support of Hamas’s actions. Given the well-known history of the organizations with which the NYC local and the International Committee partnered, it was predictable that the NYC demonstration would feature speeches that callously mocked the victims of Hamas and provided a venue for open expressions of antisemitism.

Not a single person I know who is a DSA member in NY— and all of them are Jewish!— agrees with that article, fwiw. It’s been making the rounds.

well, that's why they had to quit I guess

Good thread on the Indian "export" of up to 10k construction workers to replace Palestinians. As the thread notes they will face shitty conditions and racism.

Like they do in much of the middle- east. Not really sure what unions can do.
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Trade unions in India have noted their decision to oppose this, and I really hope the different groups can come together to protect the rights and safety of all Indian workers which will undoubtedly be put at risk if they are “exported” to Israel right now 1

There is a close relationship between Netanyahu and Modi.

I think there are still a lot of liberal American Jews, especially older ones, who don't realize that the Israeli right wing is also against them.

Liberal American Jews fully realize this, which is why they have always been anti-Netanyahu, especially now that Netanhayu has welcomed the true psychos, once consensus pariahs, into the government.

One of the DSA quitters wrote a “why I’m quitting the DSA” piece two years ago.

I wonder how often you can do the “I’m a lifelong supporter of blah, but now I’m voting the other way” as a grift. Maybe do some compensated cable channel appearances. One such guy was documented doing this twice in the last year on twitter!

The key is flip-flopping. "I was a lifelong Democrat but" "I became a born again Christian Republican but" into infinity.

i have always been of opinion that consistency is the last refuge of the unimaginative

There is a close relationship between Netanyahu and Modi.

Yes, they both hate Muslims.

What a joke.

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If Hamas is holding your relatives as human shields in Gaza City, please ask them to call the
@IDF
’s Human Shield Hotline.

It could save a life

Workers for a Free Palestine
@Workers4Pal
BREAKING: 400+ trade unionists are blockading multiple entrances to an arms factory in Kent which provides weapons for the Israeli military.

We demand an immediate #CEASEFIRENOW to halt the killing of civilians in Palestine & an end to British complicity in Israeli war crimes!

Not read this yet. In the latest LRB you have this piece on the arms industry and it's exports to Israel.

https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v45/n22/james-butler/up-in-arms

_There is a close relationship between Netanyahu and Modi._

Yes, they both hate Muslims.

... and they both hate Muslims and prefer them dead.

yes

There is a close relationship between Netanyahu and Modi.

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hating muslims really brings people together

lol sorry i'm the 70th person to say that but narendra modi is my bete noir

Indian elections next year, not sure how he is doing with the polling (or what the BJP are doing to get the system to work for them, e.g. cheat).

I haven't been following Indian politics as much lately, but thus far the problem with ejecting Modi has been the lack of credible opposition. Would love to have missed something on that front though

Same, don't think Congress are up to scratch but like to be wrong.

Modi is more popular than ever afaict.

the thing is, in a multi-ethnic or multi-religious state where there's a supremacist majority...it's hard to vote in tolerance! Indian Hindus, particularly upper-caste Hindus, are like, he makes the trains run on time!

xp not quite, but he is remarkably popular for having been in power for 9 years: https://www.reuters.com/world/india/inflation-hurting-modi-still-likely-win-indias-2024-polls-survey-2023-08-25/

and yes horseshoe otm, he's legitimately popular, though no doubt the BJP cheat frequently as well

and hating Muslims is like popping champagne together on New Year's Eve

xp

Seems like we are seeing more and more of these "coalitions" against popular incumbents. A coalition has won in Poland but iirc lost in Hungary.

Looks like economics (inflation) will dictate whether Modi wins. Definitely looks like it rn.

Probably under recognised how much the BJP interfered in the last UK election in certain marginal seats.

This article is better actually.

When I clicked the link, there was nothing there.

Sorry that’s my fault, I deleted the amp part of the link but didn’t see the alternative url at the bottom of the article

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/11/25/uk/bjp-kashmir-tory-uk-election-ge19-intl-gbr/index.html

I don't really have a good sense of how well effective the "anti-hindutva = hinduphobia" line has been playing internationally but it has been pretty infuriating how poorly the british media has covered this development, often just repeating the accusations uncritically because of who the targets are