Israel/Palestine post 10/7 - follow-on events/thoughts as relate to other countries

I have a few Jewish friends who are fairly hawkish but otherwise progressive on IG who need notice/support navigating antisemitism, but only one is sharing the kind of pretty-girl Israeli propaganda that’s become me A Thing since 7/10.

The Reddit algorithm shows me stuff from all over MENA now. It’s been interesting to read perspectives from Lebanon, Tunisia, etc, although I suspect Reddit skews toward a certain demographic in those countries like it does in the US

― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, November 15, 2023 6:45 AM bookmarkflaglink

Agreed, it is interesting. I browse posts from r/Palestine, r/Israel, r/NYC, r/worldnews and other subs to get a sense of what people discuss and where they are posting from.

Very polarized opinions and sources. It's been a study in seeing selectively presented information.

I am glad that The Times - seeking to condemn our movement as extremists - clarified which of my words they found most threatening pic.twitter.com/HtLrT6rIPG

— Barnaby Raine (@BarnabyRaine) November 15, 2023

I think I only saw this on bluesky, but this VC dipshit is getting fired. Nice to see someone taking a fall for anti-Palestine comments for once (his commentary was blatantly racist and genocidal).

https://www.sfgate.com/tech/article/sf-tech-firm-fires-partner-gaza-18491861.php

"Ballenegger posted comments on social media about the ongoing war between Israel and Hamas that were blatantly racist toward Palestinians. According to the screenshots, he wrote Sunday, “After the war, Israel should handle Gaza like China handles Xinjiang. Full surveillance state. Re education camps. Sterilizations. It's warranted and the only way to pacify the jihadi population.”

Business Insider reported that he doubled down in a second post, writing, “They reproduce like rabbits and raise them to be terrorists, creating more poverty misery and terrorism. Why should we allow that. The world would be a much better place if they didn't reproduce.”

Very good to see. Hope Biden chokes soon.

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Indonesian Pres. Joko Widodo surprises Joe Biden by calling on the US "to do more to stop the atrocities in Gaza," declaring that a "ceasefire is a must for humanity." Indonesia is the largest Muslim country in the world, and millions have rallied there in recent weeks. pic.twitter.com/NxKFLTNa3n

— BreakThrough News (@BTnewsroom) November 15, 2023

This is on the goings on at the NYT and American media in general

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/11/new-york-times-gaza-letter-resignation

Relatedly, Anne Boyer, the poetry editor for the NYTimes magazine, tendered her resignation today via a Substack post.

If this resignation leaves a hole in the news the size of poetry, then that is the true shape of the present.

https://www.kron4.com/news/apec-sf-2023/bay-bridge-protest-blocks-all-westbound-traffic/

SAN FRANCISCO (KRON) — Protesters blocked all lanes of westbound Interstate 80 traffic on the Bay Bridge during the Thursday morning commute. The protesters stopped their cars on the bridge, east of Treasure Island Road, and threw their keys into the Bay before chaining themselves together and to the bridge, according to California Highway Patrol.

"Relatedly, Anne Boyer, the poetry editor for the NYTimes magazine, tendered her resignation today via a Substack post."

Hope she can find something good soon.

from an interview with Zainab, a school student on the Tower Hamlets protest/walkout today https://t.co/Jh7E6xRiw5 pic.twitter.com/P3m17qfbyW

— bat020 (@bat020) November 16, 2023

Newham kids doing this tomorrow

Great.

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You voted for a genocide.

My statement about Labour women being threatened, intimidated or having their offices vandalised: https://t.co/vDOLJVStpU pic.twitter.com/Cegt7vfMFD

— Siobhain McDonagh MP (@Siobhain_Mc) November 17, 2023

https://www.timesofisrael.com/dermer-suggests-israel-should-prioritize-support-of-evangelicals-over-us-jews/

Former Israeli ambassador to the US Ron Dermer suggested Sunday that Israel should prioritize the “passionate and unequivocal” support of evangelical Christians over that of American Jews, who he said are “disproportionately among our critics.”

“People have to understand that the backbone of Israel’s support in the United States is the evangelical Christians. It’s true because of numbers and also because of their passionate and unequivocal support for Israel,” Dermer said in an onstage interview at a conference organized by Makor Rishon, a news outlet affiliated with the national religious community

The interview marked Dermer’s first public remarks since he ended a marathon seven-year term in January as Israel’s ambassador in Washington, where he became known for having the ear and “brain” of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

For years the Israel on Campus Coalition—a little-known organization with links to Israeli intelligence—has used student informants to spy on pro-Palestinian campus groups.

Haven't totally absorbed all of this, dismayed at the lack of support for a ceasefire, but some aspects of this are better than I expected

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/11/18/joe-biden-gaza-hamas-putin/?pwapi_token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJyZWFzb24iOiJnaWZ0IiwibmJmIjoxNzAwMjgzNjAwLCJpc3MiOiJzdWJzY3JpcHRpb25zIiwiZXhwIjoxNzAxNjY1OTk5LCJpYXQiOjE3MDAyODM2MDAsImp0aSI6ImZmYzA1MTdmLWUyNjgtNDM3Mi05YjE1LTA5OWEzYjQwYjdlYSIsInVybCI6Imh0dHBzOi8vd3d3Lndhc2hpbmd0b25wb3N0LmNvbS9vcGluaW9ucy8yMDIzLzExLzE4L2pvZS1iaWRlbi1nYXphLWhhbWFzLXB1dGluLyJ9.mOFUXh68oAfi8ipyt2e2znXrWbOasX59Nsavc9sjhaI

That letter is abominable. He won’t even cite the undercounted figures of Palestinians murdered by Israel. Pathetic.

don't think it'll lead to anything but at least it's being made an issue: https://www.politico.com/news/2023/11/18/democrats-in-senate-house-discuss-conditioning-military-aid-to-israel-00127930

The Netanyahu government, or hopefully a new Israeli government, must understand that not one penny will be coming to Israel from the U.S. unless there is a fundamental change in their military and political positions. Read my statement: pic.twitter.com/x3LlSRhuYO

— Bernie Sanders (@SenSanders) November 18, 2023

I only learned recently that Reagan suspended fighter jet sales to Israel in order to pressure them on Lebanon. I was kind of surprised by that. Made me think a little better of Reagan.

Uhhhh no

You dont gotta hand it to him

There been a lot of Reagan/Bush stanning lately by 20 year old self described Communists on Twitter on this one issue and I’m thinking “do you guys know anything else about these guys?”

i think 20 year-old self-described communists on twitter are aware of at least some of reagan and ghwb's (i'm assuming that's the bush you mean because i haven't seen much gwb praise) many other failings and if anything them seeming better than biden re: israel is just an indictment of biden and a sign of just how far things have shifted for the worse

i do think gwhb having done more to try to force a resolution to the situation than any other president in the last few decades is worthy of praise and is one of the few positive parts of his legacy

Yeah, otm - there are shades to this. The US can do more by being a lot tougher on arms sales and applying pressure, and I see the Biden admin's wordings as a continuation of domestic policy by being really anemic, late and ineffective on policy and communication.

Palestine continues to win the PR battle on 0.1% of the budget or probably less pic.twitter.com/h0lqNj6jXH

— ‏تمار 🌴 Тама́р 🌴 תמר (@tamars) November 17, 2023

I see the Biden admin's wordings as a continuation of domestic policy by being really anemic, late and ineffective on policy and communication.

it's worse than that really, it's that they're fundamentally not interested in applying pressure on israel beyond the bare minimum needed for pr purposes - "you have to let at least a little bit of aid in so you don't look too monstrous" etc.

i think 20 year-old self-described communists on twitter are aware of at least some of reagan and ghwb's (i'm assuming that's the bush you mean because i haven't seen much gwb praise) many other failings and if anything them seeming better than biden re: israel is just an indictment of biden and a sign of just how far things have shifted for the worse

i do think gwhb having done more to try to force a resolution to the situation than any other president in the last few decades is worthy of praise and is one of the few positive parts of his legacy

― ufo,

GHWB's secretary of state James Baker was the last to tell the Israelis to fuck off.

https://www.vox.com/world-politics/2023/11/18/23966137/us-weapons-israel-biden-package-explained

there are a lot of interesting/depressing details in this article, including:

Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin is a former board member of Raytheon, the major military contractor that co-produces Iron Dome receptors with the Israeli company Rafael Advanced Defense Systems. RTX, as Raytheon has been renamed, is one of the most significant providers to Israel. Austin and many other senior appointees to the Pentagon bring a depth of experience working for the arms industry. Even if they aren’t directly involved in the day-to-day — Austin has had to recuse himself from the Department of Defense’s dealings with Raytheon — the heft these appointments bring shows the seriousness with which the Biden administration takes the defense industrial base.

As Austin told the Senate, “We are flowing security assistance to Israel at the speed of war.”

Secretary of State Antony Blinken co-founded WestExec Advisors in 2017, which has worked for military contractors, new military-tech startups, and Israeli companies. Blinken, for his part, advised the defense contractor Boeing, according to his financial disclosure. Last month, Boeing rushed the transfer of 1,000 smart bombs and 1,800 GPS-guidance bomb kits to Israel.

Much of the team that worked to get Israel the $38 billion Obama package over 10 years is leading the way. Other key State Department officials include Daniel Shapiro, who also worked for the Israel spyware maker NSO Group when he was out of government. Intelligence leaders, too, bring vast experience. Avril Haines, the director of the Office of National Intelligence, has worked as an adviser to the data-processing powerhouse Palantir, which has been a staunch supporter of Israel and apparently provides advanced tech to the Israeli military.

Saw some talk of the polls on the US threads but this seems Ike an overreach to me. There is more than a year to go and as awful as the genocidal actions are by the Israeli government people forget.

Biden is destroying his presidency (and possibly American democracy) on behalf of a government of fanatics that is carrying on war of retribution that his own military says has no coherent strategy and endgame. https://t.co/pdiwRqgqRL

— Jeet Heer (@HeerJeet) November 19, 2023

second half of the sentence is bang on tho

NYT reporting on Israel’s video of the Al-Shifa tunnels demonstrates a marked change in tone for the paper

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/11/19/world/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news/israel-hamas-al-shifa-hospital-gaza-video-tunnel?smid=url-share

wasn't sure what you meant by that - how so?

some xposts but it is not surprising that the ghouls in Biden’s administration make bank off of ethnic cleansing. Shameful shit.

So is the U.S. looking forward to more Trump or ersatz Trump?
Shame there isn't more alternative to govt than the 2 parties.

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IAF bombing of Indonesian Hospital injured Head of Orthopedics Dr. Adnan Al-Barash

🎥 Staff at Indonesian Hospital unable to evacuate patients and wounded from ICU due to critical condition
🎥 Martyrs from IAF bombing in courtyard of Al-Aqsa Martyrs Hospital in Deir Al-Balah

Yes to this in the UK too. Everyone on the left is mostly marching, at the least.

Fracturing?? I’ve never seen the left more unified than it is now. YIMBYs, NIMBYs, socdems, commies, anarchists all marching and organizing together for Palestinian liberation. It’s genuinely beautiful pic.twitter.com/O2ymQ8CoaB

— dylan saba (@shaabiranks) November 20, 2023

Imagine being the official account for the Auschwitz Memorial and tweeting this out at this time.

https://x.com/AuschwitzMuseum/status/1726517498088931617?s=20

https://www.nybooks.com/online/2023/11/20/an-open-letter-on-the-misuse-of-holocaust-memory/

BREAKING: South Africa’s parliament votes (248 vs 91) to close the Israeli embassy in South Africa, send the Israeli ambassador home, and suspend diplomatic relations with Israel.

— Shailja Patel (@shailjapatel) November 21, 2023

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/security-aviation/2023-11-20/ty-article/.premium/deep-faked-soldiers-and-spoofed-websites-russian-campaign-pushes-gaza-disinformation/0000018b-ed5c-d36e-a3cb-fd5fadd90000

I’m kind of surprised by how subtle a lot of the examples are.

pretty rich for Israel to be talking disinfo and false propaganda

Sorry if this was posted before, someone I know shared this on Facebook as the gospel truth and it seems like the most insane thing, like straight up fiction.

https://jewishjournal.com/commentary/columnist/365220/the-inside-story-of-how-palestinians-took-over-the-world

People of color, particularly antisemitic Black groups like BLM

oh fuuuuuuuuuuuck you

Just like you were a Zionist campus activist, we will create, over the next years, Palestinian campus activists in America and all over the world. Bigger and better than any Zionist activists.

Has anyone measured these new activists?

pretty rich for Israel to be talking disinfo and false propaganda

― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Tuesday, 21 November 2023 19:50 (one hour ago) link

Haaretz is not "Israel" and the article is not only about anti-Israel disinformation, but your reflexive responses continue to be boring and bot-like.

point taken about the article.

My responses might be boring and bot-like, but perhaps that's the price of not seeing an issue as "complex."

My responses might be boring and bot-like, but perhaps that's the price of not seeing an issue as "complex."

In this instance no one could accuse you of not being fully self-aware.