Artificial intelligence still has some way to go

I just sat in a conference room with four people of roughly my age and roughly my background (professional
writers) and all of them had used chatgpt.

I have rarely felt more alone.

I have been on the top of a mountain in January and I have been in a small sailboat on the Atlantic Ocean. That conference room made me feel more isolated and weird.

https://i.imgur.com/Kq1vJha.png

lmao

"There'll still be work, but more boring and for less money."

Maybe. If this stuff keeps working in terms of quality of results but idk if it will.

I feel that its just as likely "people who actually know something" could make it at overinflated prices in a few years.

I think both those things can be true - that there'll be money at the top end of trades but the bread-and-butter middle gets slowly eaten away.

progress/quality may stall but my version of the working world looks very different if it doesn't - I'd be a fool not to have at least a saver on 'extreme change'.

xp lagoon lolol
screenwriters will adapt to be un ai-imitable

tell me how

I used to work as a commercial translator (French to English) and I'd say this is one thing Chat GPT does pretty well, much better than Google Translate. I'm guessing just about anyone working in translation (in the more common languages at least) is using Chat GPT and I'd be surprised if the word rates haven't gone right down.

apparently even google translate which produces terrible results took a big bite out of the industry cause it was good enough for some things

i was under the impression that google translate was already using llms to help it improve its translations for at least the past few years

yeah, that's the model & I think translation was the harbinger - like people will decide gen ai is good enough to turn out some functional copy and they just decide not to use a freelancer unless it really matters.

Some suggestions that it's starting -

https://archive.is/qMJUg

yup

oh god for the innocent joyful days
Neural Network, what u eat?

Xps Tracer the big jump in quality in 2016 was down to neural net/deep learning stuff but idk if that’s equivalent to llm/gen ai methods

whatever you think of OpenAI and Altman, firing him seems to have been an incredibly dumb decision by the board who are now facing the resignation of basically the entire fucking company.

(also, it doesn't sound like there was anything else behind it...not because of abuse allegation, not because he was in the midst of doing anything illegal... just a board of impetuous and junior people who didn't think through the ramifications of their actions)

Insert New Yorker cartoon with the police officer saying: "Does your car know why my car pulled it over?"

whatever you think of OpenAI and Altman, firing him seems to have been an incredibly dumb decision by the board who are now facing the resignation of basically the entire fucking company.

― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Monday, November 20, 2023 6:03 PM (thirty-seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

it was dumb but also very cool

they still havent said wtf he did they accused him of lying what was it tell us

i thought it was basically that he said he supported guardrails and safer advancement of the research but then turned around and did pushed for faster development

"did pushed" sorry this post was written by chatGPT. "did the exact opposite"

i mean prob basically but they came out and publicly accused the guy so they owe it to us the rubberneckers to formally break it down in detail

They'll just place an classified ad in the Personal section of the SF Chronicle saying: "Sam, come home. All is forgiven. We kept your room exactly as you left it. We miss you."

i think it had something to do with ai safety. sam altman was bullish, the board was more reserved.

yup my best rubbernecker guess is that something about Altman's commercial big plans (maybe especially 'starting a chip fab plant specifically for AI chips (using Saudi money)'?) tipped them over into 'no no no this is not nice slow safe progress'.

There's something about chatgpt's remorseless cheerful will to mediocrity that I cannot look away from.

User
Hi Chat GPT. I've started a band and I want it to be a mix between The Stone Roses and Primal Scream with the swagger of Oasis. Can you suggest some names for my band?
ChatGPT
Starting a band with a blend of The Stone Roses, Primal Scream, and the swagger of Oasis sounds exciting! Here are some band name suggestions that might capture the essence of these influences:

Rose Haze Revival
Electric Scream Parade
Swaggering Roses
Primal Oasis Echo
Stone Vibe Syndicate
Echoes of Madchester
Britpop Rebels
The Neon Stone Echo
Scream Oasis Fusion
Retro Sonic Bloom
Each of these names tries to encapsulate elements from the distinct sounds and attitudes of the bands you're inspired by. Feel free to mix and match words or elements from these suggestions to create something that feels right for your band!

User
We're not a tribute act
ChatGPT
Understood, you're looking for a unique identity while drawing inspiration from those bands. Here are some original band name ideas that capture the essence of your influences without directly referencing them:

Velvet Echoes
Cityscape Serenade
Midnight Brit Groove
Indie Vortex
Rising Tempests
Urban Mythos
Rebel Hymn Harmony
Skyline Drifters
Neon Anthems
Ethereal Brigade
These names aim to evoke the spirit of the Britpop and indie rock scene while maintaining a distinct identity for your band. They combine elements of urban, rebellious, and musical themes to reflect a modern, energetic sound.

LLMs cannot be otherwise. They “represent the norm by signaling the mean” to quote hito steyrl. You’re just seeing a model of averages in the data.

Even when you get “weird” results it is due to the LLM misunderstanding the question. They cannot produce a truly unique response to a prompt, one based on insight, because they do not understand it.

A lot of speech that goes on in media and business is mimetic for sure — people reacting in more or less predictable ways to situations. But there is always the chance that a person might develop a new understanding of something, or take a different approach. The LLM cannot do this so it is not a replacement for a human being imo. I don’t think they’ll even ever really do customer service, because that requires responding to novel situations every once in a while.

Treeship that explanation makes a lot of sense to a philistine like me. Ty

I am also very disappointed in those band name suggestions. Come on, man.

I don't disagree in principle - certainly that human intervention is currently needed, a lot - but I'm a bit more pessimistic about how much of the world of work straight statistical mimesis can eat, especially as gen ai improves.

they still havent said wtf he did they accused him of lying what was it tell us

― lag∞n, Monday, November 20, 2023 6:42 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Sutskever is said to have offered two explanations he purportedly received from the board, according to one of the people familiar. One explanation was that Altman was said to have given two people at OpenAI the same project.

The other was that Altman allegedly gave two board members different opinions about a member of personnel. An OpenAI spokesperson did not respond to requests for comment.

https://www.businessinsider.com/openais-employees-given-explanations-why-sam-altman-out-2023-11

We've seen decades of offshoring and automation and yet there are lots of people needed to do work. It's just whether there is the will to invest in the infrastructure around it to support it.

In the area I know a bit about a machine doing some of the heavy lifting around coding isn't the issue. I mean, offshoring has already taken out a lot of the cost anyway.

But can AI help define and solve the business problems?

an excerpt here about how altman previously being a fuckup https://www.newcomer.co/p/sam-altman-forced-out-of-openai-by

people will still lose jobs. businesses cut costs in many ways that hurt their product. my point is that AI is overhyped. the labor power of human workers is still the engine of capitalism, and people who say otherwise are lying.

i just do not believe this technology is that revolutionary. there have been chatbots for decades. these are more uncanny. but the way they are generating their outputs does not resemble the way human intelligence works. it's sophisticated data modeling.

as a bandname ETHEREAL BRIGADE is in fact good not bad

all the others suck tho

lol PRIMAL OASIS ECHO

Treeship speaks wisdom

people will still lose jobs. businesses cut costs in many ways that hurt their product. my point is that AI is overhyped. the labor power of human workers is still the engine of capitalism, and people who say otherwise are lying.

Here's the thing tho: "generative" (eyeroll) AI is only ever recycling amd recombining existing content. It has never "generated" anything or come up with an original thought. Its only fuel is what people (people like us) have already given it.

I have spent, um, something like 38 years feeding it. Every word that I have published, every illustration I've drawn, every song I have written and recorded.

The robots have not thanked me, as far as I know. And when I am unemployed, probably next month, they will not pay my mortgage. So forgive me if I am little bit bitter about that.

xps

I still lean to it being revolutionary, at least for laptop jobs - it's come along quickly, it's still developing fast, even in current state its possibilities when trained on specialist datasets are just getting started. The 'not like human intelligence' feels a bit marshlight to me - it doesn't really need to be to cause a lot of disruption in the near future, and if it develops rapidly I'm not sure it matters whether its mode of 'intelligence' is recognisably human or instead non-human - we'll be somewhere messy either way.

I can definitely see a path with medium-term stability where it's just another tool, as it is now, but I'd feel naive banking on that (because everything always gets worse).

YMP you're welcome to join my new band, Midnight Brit Groove

I mean maybe as someone who's made a living generating sentences - plenty of them pretty rote - I am just falling for the uncanniness. I know how dumb it is! eg how bad at mimicking styles where it has a narrower dataset.

One of my bosses has started to develop the annoying trait of searching for information of OUR OWN PROCESSES in chatgpt, a clear indication of what we were all suspecting in that he knows sod all about the job.

an excerpt here about how altman previously being a fuckup https://www.newcomer.co/p/sam-altman-forced-out-of-openai-by

― 龜, Tuesday, November 21, 2023 8:27 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

thats the one i was talking about upthread

how many swords, Dall-E, how many swords?
https://imgur.com/a/e5VgCCm

chatgpt et al absolutely need to have a huge banner that shows up every session saying NOT A SEARCH ENGINE! I MAKE SHIT UP!

We're def going to see a lot more from the entertaining genre of 'people fucking up really badly because they trust ChatGPT as some kind of god-mind'

chatgpt et al absolutely need to have a huge banner that shows up every session saying NOT A SEARCH ENGINE! I MAKE SHIT UP!

― organ doner (ledge), Tuesday, November 21, 2023 9:58 AM (ten minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

now why would they do that lol

sorry, need to dial down my faith in humanity settings

just went to check out bings situation and its interface features the ai bot interface heavily tho if you type into the box itll take you to normal search results with "chat" being a tab, btw lol at the prompt

https://i.imgur.com/t0nvuXA.png

chatgpt isnt a search engine doesnt have access to new info but microsofts implementation of it is?

https://i.imgur.com/0dLTvM3.png