Israel/Palestine post 10/7 - follow-on events/thoughts as relate to other countries

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/security-aviation/2023-11-20/ty-article/.premium/deep-faked-soldiers-and-spoofed-websites-russian-campaign-pushes-gaza-disinformation/0000018b-ed5c-d36e-a3cb-fd5fadd90000

I’m kind of surprised by how subtle a lot of the examples are.

pretty rich for Israel to be talking disinfo and false propaganda

Sorry if this was posted before, someone I know shared this on Facebook as the gospel truth and it seems like the most insane thing, like straight up fiction.

https://jewishjournal.com/commentary/columnist/365220/the-inside-story-of-how-palestinians-took-over-the-world

People of color, particularly antisemitic Black groups like BLM

oh fuuuuuuuuuuuck you

Just like you were a Zionist campus activist, we will create, over the next years, Palestinian campus activists in America and all over the world. Bigger and better than any Zionist activists.

Has anyone measured these new activists?

pretty rich for Israel to be talking disinfo and false propaganda

― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Tuesday, 21 November 2023 19:50 (one hour ago) link

Haaretz is not "Israel" and the article is not only about anti-Israel disinformation, but your reflexive responses continue to be boring and bot-like.

point taken about the article.

My responses might be boring and bot-like, but perhaps that's the price of not seeing an issue as "complex."

My responses might be boring and bot-like, but perhaps that's the price of not seeing an issue as "complex."

In this instance no one could accuse you of not being fully self-aware.

Some of the most evil shit I’ve ever heard. Of course coming from a guy from the Obama admin.

A lobbying group has severed connections with Stuart Seldowitz, a former adviser to ex-President Barack Obama after videos where he made Islamophobic remarks and issued threats to a New York City food cart employee surfaced online.

The footage, shared on Twitter by a Columbia… pic.twitter.com/jyAYhxZgU5

— AHMED | أحمد (@ASE) November 21, 2023

From the looks of it, he makes a point to return to that cart on different days just to harass the guy with racist taunts and threats, all for his own bemusement. What a piece of shit.

After a ceasefire has been agreed as a wording this fucking shit of a man calls it a humanitarian pause to save face

Keir Starmer
@Keir_Starmer
I welcome the news of an agreement to release the first hostages and to have a substantial humanitarian pause in hostilities between Israel and Hamas

https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/should-us-aid-to-israel-be-contingent-on-human-rights

Every one of these interviews with mainstream democrats - "yes i recognize that awful things are being done by Israel and Palestinians have a reason to be angry as well, but you have to understand, i'm trying to avoid thinking about that."

The Israeli propaganda operation in the US just isn’t hitting the same these days.

https://x.com/mbueckert/status/1727440702123204927?s=46&t=z1egexpHAtHcPPxgbp4Hrw

Yeah the propaganda effort elsewhere has been mostly embarrassing too e.g. this transparent attempt at pitting Malaysians and Singaporeans against each other over their differing approaches to Israel (Malaysia = pro-Palestine, no diplomatic relations with Israel; Singapore = neutral, receives military support from Israel). Backfired very quickly:

https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/politics/article/3242483/malaysia-singapore-users-x-slam-israeli-activists-bid-sow-discord-between-neighbours-were

March in London this Saturday.

🚨The route for the March for Palestine on Saturday 25 November has now been confirmed. 🇵🇸

It will be assembling on Park Lane at 12:30PM and marching to Whitehall.#CeasefireNOW #FreePalestine pic.twitter.com/iStUNeB25L

— PSC (@PSCupdates) November 23, 2023

BREAKING: Several pro-Palestine activists were arrested for staging a sit-in on the march route of the Macy’s Thanksgiving Day parade in New York City pic.twitter.com/kv9pUQgO77

— BreakThrough News (@BTnewsroom) November 23, 2023

some dear friends among those arrested

HARVARD LAW REVIEW EDITORS VOTE TO KILL ARTICLE ABOUT GENOCIDE IN GAZA

You can read the article here

Seldowitz arrested!

https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/22/us/seldowitz-ex-obama-official-islamophobic-comments/index.html

Excellent! what a shitbag!

Israelis have “children”, while Palestinians have “people aged 18 and younger”. https://t.co/5nmLPc0VKN pic.twitter.com/gsoSs9HE8N

— Karl Hansen (@karl_fh) November 23, 2023

https://www.972mag.com/october-7-families-victims-hostages-peace/

This is a very good article

They made a fake Hamas website that's literally just "hello we are evil please give us money to kill Israel and take over ze vorld muhahha" https://t.co/NyZtNla8Dw pic.twitter.com/PNQ7sd5qyi

— Hbomberguy (@Hbomberguy) November 24, 2023

Cal CS lecturer apparently being investigated for giving this talk at the end of a lecture

https://www.reddit.com/r/berkeley/comments/181vkym/peyrin_kao_after_lecture_transcript_about/

Its not just that the hamas.com site is so ill-thought out, its also why did it take Israel 38 days to create it? In fact, why did it take them any days to create it, why wasn't this built and registered beforehand, years ago ready. to update whenever necessary. The PR and propaganda for western markets has been so basic and lackadaisical, its unathomable

if they ever got called on that site directly, in a press conference or something, what would be the answer? "the site is meant to show the evil of Hamas, ppl aren't meant to believe that it was actually created by Hamas but it shows what they stand for" or something like that?

Also why are they the ones tweeting it out directly, instead of either using a major western personality to do it, or a smaller niche one and letting it bubble up from there. It feels like they haven't built any of that out

I’m not sure “Israel’s propaganda ops aren’t robust enough!” is the lesson we should be garnering.

It's an observation not a lesson. Anyway on top of the myth of the allseeing ominpotence of the Israeli intelligence services going down the toilet, they are coming out of this looking like rank amateurs on the PR and propaganda front.

oh absolutely.

On top of the bragging about being the only democracy in the Middle East, Israeli governments like to present an image of being sleekly professional, efficient and effective in the midst of dreadful chaotic Arab states who couldn't organize the proverbial piss up in a brewery.

I didn't previously have much of an opinion either way on the attempted interference in UK elections thing (kind of presume all states do this to some extent), but it seems less likely now

A thread on the topic of hasbara and its failings as of recent:

https://x.com/MouinRabbani/status/1727948091053977757?s=20

The addendum points out something salient, too, and that is that since the late aughts, Palestinians have been training people to be citizen journalists and broadcast news to the world...so that the hegemony of Israeli narratives has essentially been shattered by social media platforms. This also explains why older people still tend to be more pro-Israel and younger people tend to be more pro-Palestine, I think.

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Americans overall continue to side strongly with Israel, but polling shows those views have grown increasingly polarized across party and generation since even before the war. An NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist poll earlier this month found 48 percent of Gen Z and millennial adults said Israel’s military response has been “too much,” compared with 38 percent of the public overall. Most young adults disapprove of Biden’s handling of the situation, according to national polls this month by Fox News, Quinnipiac University and Marist College. And a recent poll from NBC News found that 70 percent of voters age 18 to 34 disapprove of Biden’s handling of the war.

This is from

https://wapo.st/410Ydis

(Non-paywall gift link)

thanks!

So tired of watching Israeli government spokespeople bullying, browbeating and arguing with interviewers, while mechanically churning out the same buzzwords and set phrases. Not sure what the point of interviewing these people is.

Hamas offering the release of the rest of the hostages for all Palestinian prisoners.

Here are the latest developments in Gaza and the occupied West Bank as the truce deal between Israel and Hamas enters its third day.

🔴 LIVE updates: https://t.co/QSgZrAagUW pic.twitter.com/dJsmQJnEjV

— Al Jazeera English (@AJEnglish) November 26, 2023

https://news.snbc13.com/burlington-shooting-palestinian-students-hisham-awartani-kenan-abdelhamid-and-another-hurt-heavy-police-in-burlington-vermont/

Was about to post that. Awful.

It’s pretty bad when I have to sympathise with a cunt like Leo Varadkar.

Irish citizen Emily Hand was one of the hostages being held by Hamas. She is only six years old. When her father heard she’d been taken hostage and (initially) suspected dead, he said he was so happy she was dead because he feared what would happen to her.

She was released yesterday. Leo Varadkar made a statement about it:

This is the full statement I issued yesterday regarding the release of Emily Hand pic.twitter.com/v6N6bmbbmo

— Leo Varadkar (@LeoVaradkar) November 26, 2023

#Breaking The Israeli foreign minister says he has summoned the Irish ambassador in Tel Aviv "for a reprimand" following Taoiseach Leo Varadkar's remarks on the release of Emily Hand https://t.co/P57j6GyMMp

— RTÉ News (@rtenews) November 26, 2023

In response to Mr Varadkar's social media remarks, Israeli foreign minister Eli Cohen accused the Taoiseach of "losing his moral compass" and needing "a reality check".

"Emily Hand was not 'lost', she was kidnapped by a terror organization worse than ISIS that murdered her stepmother," he said. He added: "Emily and more than 30 other Israeli children were taken hostage by Hamas, and you Leo Varadkar are trying to legitimize and normalize terror. Shame on you!"

That's so stupid

"his love has been constant" lol ok

Not sure what is “lol ok” about that.

not sure "thank god my daughter is dead" is a constant love but we all show love in different ways

Yeah because he was in the horrors imagining her being tortured and harmed - that’s the context for that remark. Given he didn’t know that he’d ever see her again, it would be better for the child to have died rather than the child to have been tortured during the rest of her life. Didn’t think that would need so much (or any) explaining. I’m not even a parent and I understand what he meant.

we all show love in different ways, don't we

I’d rather my child were dead than raped and tortured for two months. I’m glad you can be so smug about the superiority of the way you prefer people to show love. Get bent.