rolling “Trump is gonna win” containment thread

The rest of the world thanks the Democrats for choosing a decrepit doddery war criminal as their presidential candidate.

the way he has repeatedly lied about seeing dossiers and photos that either don't exist or are pure bullshit that somehow justify the genocide - the detestable old bastard.

Dying in his sleep rn might be good.

when the election is the stark choice of this arsehole or a Trump dictatorship I'd be grateful to be one of the disenfranchised that can't vote in US elections.

That's...a bad take.q

Citizens here have died for the sake of the franchise, and we have one party openly committed to eliminating democracy with the help of a corrupt Supreme Court, so forgive me if I don't accept the posture of gratitude for being disenfranchised.

calm down, Alf. I was just expressing that it would make me feel physically ill to have to vote for Biden. I'm aware of what is at stake in 2024, yes, I agree US democracy is in genuine peril here.

All good. Wishing Biden died is fine with me; but I work in voter registration, so I take this subject seriously.

xp you know voting is just like coloring in a circle on a piece of paper, right? you don't have to do anything more than that.

that's the currently the UK version of parliamentary democracy, that's why I'm getting a thomas the tank engine colouring book rather than registering for voter ID next year.

I don't have to vote for an arsehole who I despise in the UK because it isn't a democracy/dictatorship referendum, it's a choice between 2 centre-right parties who both want to make me poorer. Whereas if I was a US citizen it would be a hard choice for me as it will be for US citizens with family in Gaza.

xxp listening to the fiasco podcast on the 2000 florida recount really brought home how fundamentally the US have fucked this apparently simple principle, has it improved since?

No

Xp The infrastructure has improved in some places despite lots of resistance. But confidence in results has vanished, thanks mainly to the Trumpists.

xp you know voting is just like coloring in a circle on a piece of paper, right? you don't have to do anything more than that.

Um, as far as casting your own ballot goes, maybe?

There are also other considerations. Donate, advocate, help with registration (thanks Alfred), phone-bank, canvas, knock on doors, gove rides, GOTV generally.

Yeah I think most folks can manage the fill-in-the-blob stuff.

Some folks think (rightly) that a bit more effort is appropriate, given the stakes.

yeah, but the problem is that people are afraid of damaging their delicate auras by coloring in those circles

I did hundreds of GOTV calls for Clinton in 2016. It was an interesting experience for sure. Most of the people I talked to were very much on the "We need to win this" side of the fence and assured me they would not miss voting. A couple were all, "How did you get my number?"

I keep hearing ‘Deranged Jack Smith’ in Trump videos, it almost sounds like some obscuro country blues singer from the Alan Lomax archive

Home, home on deranged

there was a point a coupla months ago where I genuinely thought trump's goose might be cooked in court. but it feels like none of the cases will end before the election, and it also feels like the dems are fucked. i feel pretty bleak about all of this tbh. and just how awful a second trump presidency would be only seems to exacerbate its inevitability in my mind.

i guess this is the thread for this sort of thing

I hear you. Fight like hell. That's the only way out of despondency. Starting January I go back to knocking on doors and to calling for local candidates.

Always remember: everybody knows Trump, and what swing voters found repellent about him in November 2020 will resurface. Just today the NYT published its first front page story about what a Trump presidency would look like in 2025; in the next ten months you're going to be hearing about it on every medium. I just don't think the voters who went HARD against him in 2020 will say, "You know, gelato went up 75 cents at Target, I'm voting for Trump again."

But I want the media scaremongering to continue unabated

it would be very strange if nothing comes out of these court cases until after the election, especially given the fact that everyone knows delaying until the election has always been the strategy, like why even spend tens of millions of dollars pursuing these cases if you're just gonna let that happen

but yea I'm with Alf on this one the reason why people are really freaking out about Trump 2024 yet is because the primaries haven't even started, once a guy under multiple federal investigations starts winning them under the promise of "rooting out the vermin" I think it'll get covered a lot more. also worth mentioning a lot of people out there don't even really know what exactly Trump's on trial for! there are still smart folks out there who just don't follow this shit in a non-election year

It's easy to get confused with so many, many indictments.

Compared to the general voting public ilxors are hyper-aware of politics.

just don't think the voters who went HARD against him in 2020 will say, "You know, gelato went up 75 cents at Target, I'm voting for Trump again."

― stuffing your suit pockets with cold, stale chicken tende (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 4 December 2023 bookmarkflaglink

It's not simply about a bit of inflation. US are doing a lot better economically than the EU but right wingers in Holland have won more seats by calming their racist rhetoric a bit. A lot of the time its the racism of the public + what are you going to keep doing for me and if the answer is nothing then put the next guy in. Change is what Centrists always talk about, correct?

big fan of things staying the same yerself ofc

I love change you can actually believe in thanks :-)

Када је у Америци побиједио Доналд Трамп, имао сам намјеру да прогласим независност Српске, а онда су се неки око мене уплашили и то нисам урадио. Морам да кажем да ми је данас жао што нисам. Али ако би Трамп поново побиједио, мислим да не бих оклијевао. https://t.co/4Fv1gKXPPU

— Милорад Додик (@MiloradDodik) December 3, 2023

I take this guy with a pinch of salt, he was given a window last February to have a go at this and made no move, so its likely just talk but Trump 2025 is potentially a much clearer opportunity than Trump 2017

And for those of us who don’t read Russian?

Доналд Трамп : Dohand Tpamn

In Russia, Election Wins Trump!

It's Serbian.

The President of Republika Srpska Milorad Dodik said that he believes in the independence of Srpska and that he believes that it will have to happen one day.

Dodik said that he could be responsible for that in some perspective.

"When Donald Trump won in America, I had the intention to declare the independence of Republika Srpska, and then some people around me got scared and I didn't do it. I have to say that today I regret that I didn't. But if Trump were to win again, I don't think I would hesitate," Dodik told TV Prva.

Yes, apologies on lack of clarity - Dodik is srpska president, and saying he hopes for a Trump win so he can secede. I don't think he's truthful in saying he (seriously) considered it when Trump won in 2016, and he's a technologist like Erdogan who says different things on different days

But the landscape is becoming more conducive

are we as a site for or agin nation states self declaring or is it held to be contingent on the likely effects or at a higher level irrelevant as ecosocialism comes to the fore

Its thorny isn't it! Why does Kosovo self declaring 'feel' different than Transnistria or South Ossetia (or the LPR and DPR)?

So...likely effects I guess

I don't know what ecosocialism is, or if it has any plans to come to the fore anywhere anytime soon

and of course feel different to who, large parts of the world don't think Kosovo (or Palestine) feel different at all, and don't recognise - though for a variety of different reasons

I know I could just look this up probably but what's the link between Republika Srpska and Donald Trump winning? Do they think a Trump-led USA would be more likely to recognize it as an independent country?

Anyway, as someone who lives in Québec, I am generally pro auto-determination for any kind of independence movement, even if it often has many negative side-effects.

Pee tape.

There's no direct link, and its likely mostly big man politicking. But the implication isn't that Trump would recognise, its that the Dodik would get a free hand in the subsequent destabilization and unravelling of the region. But while he has Putin onboard 100%, same probably isn't true of Vucic

i'm starting to think this sean hannity guy is not a quality journalist

Former president Donald Trump said Tuesday that he would not be a dictator upon returning to office “except for Day One,” as he largely deflected questions at a televised town hall event about whether he would abuse his powers to seek retribution against his political adversaries.

Fox News host Sean Hannity pressed Trump on two occasions during the event in Davenport, Iowa, on whether he would promise not to abuse his powers upon returning to the White House. In both occasions, Trump circumvented the question and did not outright deny the possibility.

“Under no circumstances — you are promising America tonight — you would never abuse power as retribution against anybody?” Hannity asked Trump during the latter exchange.

“Except for Day One,” Trump quickly replied, prompting someone in the audience to yell out: “Yeah!”

“He’s going crazy!” Trump said as Hannity looked perplexed.

“Except for Day One. Meaning?” Hannity asked.

“I want to close the border, and I want to drill, drill, drill,” Trump said as the crowd cheered.

“That’s not retribution,” Hannity responded.

“We love this guy,” Trump said of Hannity. “He says: ‘You’re not gonna be a dictator, are ya?’ I say: ‘No, no, no — other than Day One.’”

Trump then doubled down on his promise to close the U.S.-Mexico border and expand oil drilling on his first day, adding: “After that, I’m not a dictator.”

“That sounds to me like you’re going back to the policies when you were president,” Hannity said before cutting to commercial.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/12/06/trump-dictator-day-one-hannity/

IOWA @CNN entrance poll:

Do you think Biden legitimately won in 2020?
Yes 30%
No 65%
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Trump fit for presidency, if convicted of a crime?
Yes 64%
No 31%https://t.co/m5Ntybf0tW

— Political Polls (@Politics_Polls) January 16, 2024

To quote Tyler, the Creator: naw naw fuck'em.

the 31% no might actually be bad news for him

in the general, obv. the republican base is cooked

Was just reminded that in 2016, 1) Trump lost Iowa (to the son of the JFK conspirator) and 2) immediately claimed the results were invalid. And it went from there.

How do you justify picking Trump if you think Biden won legitimately in 2020? His whole platform is retribution, like yeah I believe that Trump lost, but I want him to overturn democracy for other reasons?