Words, usages, and phrases that annoy the shit out of you...

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Anyway can't two phrases mean the same thing and one be preferable to the other?

Tom D has a right to defend himself (Tom D.), Monday, 4 December 2023 16:26 (ten months ago) link

By the way I'm talking from the viewpoint of someone working in the service sector, not someone using the service sector.

Tom D has a right to defend himself (Tom D.), Monday, 4 December 2023 16:30 (ten months ago) link

Budo otm

; Powell (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 4 December 2023 16:47 (ten months ago) link

“take care” y/n

brimstead, Monday, 4 December 2023 17:14 (ten months ago) link

"thank you for providing me the information I requested. I literally do not care what happens to you after this conversation"

a very very unfair (Neanderthal), Monday, 4 December 2023 17:18 (ten months ago) link

If wishing someone a good whatever is objectionable per se it should also be objectionable as a greeting

Boris Yitsbin (wins), Monday, 4 December 2023 17:20 (ten months ago) link

I'm sure this has been thrashed out here before. The history of this phrase and its use was that circa 1972 some mega-enormous corporate entity (I forget which) began requiring its retail employees to end all transactions with customers by saying "have a nice day" or else face termination. Their employees' union objected strenuously, not because the phrase was objectionable, but the corporation was treating its employees as automatons and transactions with customers as assembly line products, hence dehumanizing the whole interaction. The issue made the national broadcast news and it prompted a huge amount of social chatter similar to the present discussion on this thread.

btw, the corporation won the battle and very soon most other retailers followed the same path. You couldn't visit a store without being wished a nice day, over and over. Through endless repetition it became lodged in the national psyche and normalized into an "americanism".

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Monday, 4 December 2023 17:49 (ten months ago) link

"gotcha"

| (Latham Green), Monday, 4 December 2023 17:52 (ten months ago) link

Maybe just go back to 1991 when the only accepted greeting was:

'Sup?

; Powell (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 4 December 2023 18:08 (ten months ago) link

If wishing someone a good whatever is objectionable per se it should also be objectionable as a greeting

Getting silly now.

Tom D has a right to defend himself (Tom D.), Monday, 4 December 2023 18:11 (ten months ago) link

When you say "good morning" are you actually wishing someone a good morning? Or are you just saying hello?

Tom D has a right to defend himself (Tom D.), Monday, 4 December 2023 18:13 (ten months ago) link

Either you’re actually wishing someone a good morning (obviously fine) or, as you suggest, it’s a meaningless but benign social custom that you needn’t find offensively presumptuous (also obviously fine), it’s much like “have a good day” in this way

Boris Yitsbin (wins), Monday, 4 December 2023 18:20 (ten months ago) link

"you are welcome to have the quality of day you wish, I do not seek to impose my values upon you,

Neanderthal"

a very very unfair (Neanderthal), Monday, 4 December 2023 18:22 (ten months ago) link

this conversation is insane, but I concede that some of you definitely are not having a good one

rob, Monday, 4 December 2023 18:23 (ten months ago) link

"Good morning" doesn't make me cringe, so there's a difference. Greetings aren't really meaningless are they?

Tom D has a right to defend himself (Tom D.), Monday, 4 December 2023 18:28 (ten months ago) link

And even if they are, they're useful.

Tom D has a right to defend himself (Tom D.), Monday, 4 December 2023 18:29 (ten months ago) link

F hazel, don't phat-shame us

; Powell (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 4 December 2023 18:30 (ten months ago) link

don't make me tap the signifier

the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Monday, 4 December 2023 18:32 (ten months ago) link

Now you all need to go shopping in France.

steely flan (suzy), Monday, 4 December 2023 18:33 (ten months ago) link

lol fh delivers as usual

Greetings do serve a purpose, they are a subcategory of phatic expression!

Boris Yitsbin (wins), Monday, 4 December 2023 18:34 (ten months ago) link

passe un bon un

the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Monday, 4 December 2023 18:36 (ten months ago) link

i sort of agree with tom d about "have a good day." you can say it with an edge. i think that says something about the phrase.

i like a "take care" in the right moment, and i often sign my emails with "best," cuz i'm a live laugh love / wine mom kinda guy.

ꙮ (map), Monday, 4 December 2023 18:43 (ten months ago) link

By the way I'm talking from the viewpoint of someone working in the service sector, not someone using the service sector.

I work in customer service.

c u (crüt), Monday, 4 December 2023 18:44 (ten months ago) link

I use the “cheers” signoff with gleeful incontinence

Boris Yitsbin (wins), Monday, 4 December 2023 18:45 (ten months ago) link

Just decided early on I would be a cheers guy and never looked back

Boris Yitsbin (wins), Monday, 4 December 2023 18:45 (ten months ago) link

better than using the cheers signoff with fecal incontinence at least

a very very unfair (Neanderthal), Monday, 4 December 2023 18:46 (ten months ago) link

talking to people is hard enough without the ILX vibe police telling me the way I talk is annoying so I'm just going to ignore everything in this thread

c u (crüt), Monday, 4 December 2023 18:46 (ten months ago) link

I use the “cheers” signoff with gleeful incontinence

― Boris Yitsbin (wins), Monday, December 4, 2023 6:45 PM (forty-seven seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

i use "cheers" from time to time, a throwback to my wannabe anglophile youth

ꙮ (map), Monday, 4 December 2023 18:47 (ten months ago) link

I think in British English one can say "good morning" in a way that means "goodbye, you are dismissed, and get out of my office and also fuck off and possibly die."

That is not an American usage. In the US we only use it as an initial greeting.

; Powell (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 4 December 2023 18:47 (ten months ago) link

idk I lay on the "have a great rest of your day" thick mostly because I was a prickly asshole when I was initially promoted to a manager back in 2006 and had a big desire to atone for that as I got older and realized what an asshole I had become. I wanted to become a more approachable person, so greetings and goodbyes like that entered my vernacular because they at least gave the impression that I'm a friendlier person now and not going to bite their head off for unnecessarily hostile reasons anymore.

a very very unfair (Neanderthal), Monday, 4 December 2023 18:49 (ten months ago) link

I think in British English one can say "good morning" in a way that means "goodbye, you are dismissed, and get out of my office and also fuck off and possibly die."

That is not an American usage. In the US we only use it as an initial greeting.

― ; Powell (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, December 4, 2023 1:47 PM bookmarkflaglink

this was one of the central plot points of that Will Ferrell and Ryan Reynolds Christmas movie from last year iirc

a very very unfair (Neanderthal), Monday, 4 December 2023 18:49 (ten months ago) link

I work in customer service.

So do I and you're completely misunderstanding my point. I don't hate if someone in customer service says it to me, I don't even notice it tbh, I hate when a "customer" says it to me.

Tom D has a right to defend himself (Tom D.), Monday, 4 December 2023 18:54 (ten months ago) link

A simple "Thanks" is all I need.

Tom D has a right to defend himself (Tom D.), Monday, 4 December 2023 18:55 (ten months ago) link

Also it sounds stupid when British people say it!

Tom D has a right to defend himself (Tom D.), Monday, 4 December 2023 18:59 (ten months ago) link

why don't you go ahead and have a nice day, now

kinder, Monday, 4 December 2023 19:07 (ten months ago) link

but i had a nice day yesterday! variety is the spice of life!

ꙮ (map), Monday, 4 December 2023 19:08 (ten months ago) link

You're due an absolute fucker of a day next Thursday

Cheers then!

kinder, Monday, 4 December 2023 19:08 (ten months ago) link

Bless

ꙮ (map), Monday, 4 December 2023 19:14 (ten months ago) link

i say cheers

full disclosure i say "stay well" to finish a lot of my human transactions tho

close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Monday, 4 December 2023 19:24 (ten months ago) link

Lang may yer lum reek

Tom D has a right to defend himself (Tom D.), Monday, 4 December 2023 19:34 (ten months ago) link

May the thousand little gods bless you

Good luck in all your endeavors

Peace out

; Powell (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 4 December 2023 19:45 (ten months ago) link

catch la later cum rag

ꙮ (map), Monday, 4 December 2023 19:48 (ten months ago) link

lol

Tom D has a right to defend himself (Tom D.), Monday, 4 December 2023 20:09 (ten months ago) link

So many phrases, particularly at work, fall under the broad umbrella of phatic speech. 'Aight' 'morning' 'good weekend?' 'you're a star' 'don't be a cunt!' 'is that your piss on the bog seat?' - it's mostly just oil to keep the good vibe machine greased innit.

I might start ululating in a positive tone instead, see if anyone notices.

I would prefer not to. (Chinaski), Monday, 4 December 2023 21:14 (ten months ago) link

more workplaces need yodeling

ꙮ (map), Monday, 4 December 2023 21:17 (ten months ago) link

i think we've talked about "at this time" before. i've now started using it with my cat i.e. "no treat services are being provided at this time."

ꙮ (map), Monday, 4 December 2023 21:19 (ten months ago) link

We have decided to go in a different direction.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Monday, 4 December 2023 21:23 (ten months ago) link


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