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I know I could just look this up probably but what's the link between Republika Srpska and Donald Trump winning? Do they think a Trump-led USA would be more likely to recognize it as an independent country?

Anyway, as someone who lives in Québec, I am generally pro auto-determination for any kind of independence movement, even if it often has many negative side-effects.

silverfish, Wednesday, 6 December 2023 14:38 (one year ago)

Pee tape.

Tom D has a right to defend himself (Tom D.), Wednesday, 6 December 2023 14:39 (one year ago)

There's no direct link, and its likely mostly big man politicking. But the implication isn't that Trump would recognise, its that the Dodik would get a free hand in the subsequent destabilization and unravelling of the region. But while he has Putin onboard 100%, same probably isn't true of Vucic

anvil, Wednesday, 6 December 2023 15:09 (one year ago)

i'm starting to think this sean hannity guy is not a quality journalist

Former president Donald Trump said Tuesday that he would not be a dictator upon returning to office “except for Day One,” as he largely deflected questions at a televised town hall event about whether he would abuse his powers to seek retribution against his political adversaries.

Fox News host Sean Hannity pressed Trump on two occasions during the event in Davenport, Iowa, on whether he would promise not to abuse his powers upon returning to the White House. In both occasions, Trump circumvented the question and did not outright deny the possibility.

“Under no circumstances — you are promising America tonight — you would never abuse power as retribution against anybody?” Hannity asked Trump during the latter exchange.

“Except for Day One,” Trump quickly replied, prompting someone in the audience to yell out: “Yeah!”

“He’s going crazy!” Trump said as Hannity looked perplexed.

“Except for Day One. Meaning?” Hannity asked.

“I want to close the border, and I want to drill, drill, drill,” Trump said as the crowd cheered.

“That’s not retribution,” Hannity responded.

“We love this guy,” Trump said of Hannity. “He says: ‘You’re not gonna be a dictator, are ya?’ I say: ‘No, no, no — other than Day One.’”

Trump then doubled down on his promise to close the U.S.-Mexico border and expand oil drilling on his first day, adding: “After that, I’m not a dictator.”

“That sounds to me like you’re going back to the policies when you were president,” Hannity said before cutting to commercial.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/12/06/trump-dictator-day-one-hannity/

i'm really excited to learning more", *sunglasses fly onto dog.gif* (z_tbd), Wednesday, 6 December 2023 21:47 (one year ago)

one month passes...

IOWA @CNN entrance poll:

Do you think Biden legitimately won in 2020?
Yes 30%
No 65%
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Trump fit for presidency, if convicted of a crime?
Yes 64%
No 31%https://t.co/m5Ntybf0tW

— Political Polls (@Politics_Polls) January 16, 2024

StanM, Tuesday, 16 January 2024 01:40 (one year ago)

To quote Tyler, the Creator: naw naw fuck'em.

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 16 January 2024 01:46 (one year ago)

the 31% no might actually be bad news for him

kissinger on my list (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 16 January 2024 01:50 (one year ago)

in the general, obv. the republican base is cooked

kissinger on my list (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 16 January 2024 01:51 (one year ago)

Was just reminded that in 2016, 1) Trump lost Iowa (to the son of the JFK conspirator) and 2) immediately claimed the results were invalid. And it went from there.

clemenza, Tuesday, 16 January 2024 02:05 (one year ago)

How do you justify picking Trump if you think Biden won legitimately in 2020? His whole platform is retribution, like yeah I believe that Trump lost, but I want him to overturn democracy for other reasons?

BrianB, Tuesday, 16 January 2024 02:35 (one year ago)

I believe that Biden won fair and square and therefore solemnly conclude that we have to round up everyone who voted for him. Not really a contradiction.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 16 January 2024 02:38 (one year ago)

They care more about abortion/ completely destroying the social safety net/being racist/etc. than democracy?

If AOC seized power in a coup and gave us a NHS and cut the military budget by 900 billion, IDGAF about whether the win was fair and square.

papal hotwife (milo z), Tuesday, 16 January 2024 03:02 (one year ago)

How do you justify picking Trump if you think Biden won legitimately in 2020? His whole platform is retribution, like yeah I believe that Trump lost, but I want him to overturn democracy for other reasons?

I think the extent to which people actually want democracy is probably overstated, and not just in MAGA world. There can be some blurring between "it isnt really democracy anyway so who cares" and democracy in principle, but is likely overstated in both cases

Its also true, I think, that advocacy for democracy has rested on it being an obvious good, and therefore "threat to democracy" assumed to have more power than it actually has. But there are no obvious goods or obvious truths, and those need lawyers and PR teams just the same

anvil, Tuesday, 16 January 2024 05:48 (one year ago)

Overstated isn't quite the right word, overly presumed or assumed is closer to it

anvil, Tuesday, 16 January 2024 05:56 (one year ago)

At the very least, he’s going to absolutely be the GOP nom and the Dems need to start acting that way instead of this fervent hope that something magical happens in the next few months (spoiler alert: nothing magical enough to unambiguously keep him out as GOP nominee).

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 16 January 2024 06:22 (one year ago)

I dunno about magical, but here's hoping for something gastroenterological

Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 16 January 2024 06:45 (one year ago)

Oh, don't get me wrong, I keep hoping that his refusal to exercise will mean his heart finally gives out, but I fear we're not going to be lucky enough with that.

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 16 January 2024 14:13 (one year ago)

At the very least, he’s going to absolutely be the GOP nom and the Dems need to start acting that way instead of this fervent hope that something magical happens in the next few months (spoiler alert: nothing magical enough to unambiguously keep him out as GOP nominee).

― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0),

??

Dems have acted -- have WANTED -- Trump as the nominee since 2021.

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 16 January 2024 14:13 (one year ago)

Like I said upthread, Trump dying AND becoming the nominee would be my sweet spot.

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 16 January 2024 14:14 (one year ago)

The Biden camp knows it stands a worse chance against Haley, for example. They want a 2020 rematch.

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 16 January 2024 14:15 (one year ago)

I guess that would be the difference between Dems and me

Wack Snyder (Eric H.), Tuesday, 16 January 2024 14:16 (one year ago)

Why would you want a healthier, younger GOP nominee?

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 16 January 2024 14:21 (one year ago)

The second best thing would be for Biden to beat Trump decisively in November; it won't stop the MAGA dead-enders from yelling but now he'll be a two-time loser.

The best thing would be for Biden to beat Trump decisively in November, then Trump catches COVID again and dies.

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 16 January 2024 14:23 (one year ago)

No, I want two different nominees entirely, plus at least two or three equally robust other parties in the mix

Wack Snyder (Eric H.), Tuesday, 16 January 2024 14:26 (one year ago)

Remind me to tell you about when I looked into the heart of an artichoke.

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 16 January 2024 14:32 (one year ago)

Needing the country to be a fundamentally different place than it is is, I guess, what MAGA and I have in common

Wack Snyder (Eric H.), Tuesday, 16 January 2024 14:35 (one year ago)

100% agree.

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 16 January 2024 14:36 (one year ago)

xp unfortunately as a left-will-eat-itself purity-test-proctor sort, I cannot allow pragmatic electoral concerns to sway me from wishing Trump dead today and everyday

The king of the demo (bernard snowy), Tuesday, 16 January 2024 14:39 (one year ago)

Oh don't get me wrong, I want the fate the rest of you want for Bigly T

Wack Snyder (Eric H.), Tuesday, 16 January 2024 14:39 (one year ago)

The Biden camp knows it stands a worse chance against Haley, for example. They want a 2020 rematch.

not that it matters, trump is the nominee, but i think both haley and desantis would get blown out of the water by biden. both of them are incredibly weird and unlikable (desantis obviously, haley is less creepy but she'd get destroyed by a general campaign too). they'd lose the rotary club wing and the maga wing. and if they were running in a situation where trump was still alive they'd have that to deal with too.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 16 January 2024 14:46 (one year ago)

I should have made my initially point a little more clear - speaking more to the Dems I see on my feed who keep wasting energy hoping for an outcome that isn't likely. Way too many people that seem to still be in complete denial that he's going to be the nominee.

But I do agree with caek, I think Haley and DeSantis especially would be just as beatable in the general.

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 16 January 2024 14:54 (one year ago)

I don't really buy the idea that a candidate who loses badly in the primary would actually fare better in the general. I think there are way more lunatic GOP voters who would ONLY vote Trump than there is 'moderate' voters who would only go for Haley or DeSantis

frogbs, Tuesday, 16 January 2024 14:56 (one year ago)

OK, that makes sense. I think of MSNBC personalities, many former Republicans, who think Haley (or the moribund Christie) will lead them out of the wilderness.

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 16 January 2024 14:58 (one year ago)

56 k cornbread Iowans cannot be wrong…

The Artist formerly known as Earlnash, Tuesday, 16 January 2024 15:34 (one year ago)

I just want Trump gone. He is so fucking poisonous

c u (crüt), Tuesday, 16 January 2024 15:38 (one year ago)

otm

out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Tuesday, 16 January 2024 15:41 (one year ago)

yeah I was out last night and during halftime of the NFL playoff game they were showing the caucus results and the first thing I heard is "can't he just fucking die already"

frogbs, Tuesday, 16 January 2024 15:42 (one year ago)

Let’s ask the whitest people in the USA who were willing to go out into an Artic hellscape what they think about Trump and Americas direction.

The Artist formerly known as Earlnash, Tuesday, 16 January 2024 15:43 (one year ago)

NYT's Sunday edition spread about a dozen of those exact persons' takes across two pages in section 1 this week

Wack Snyder (Eric H.), Tuesday, 16 January 2024 15:46 (one year ago)

Let’s ask the whitest people in the USA who were willing to go out into an Artic hellscape what they think about Trump and Americas direction.

― The Artist formerly known as Earlnash,

non-Florida ILXers?

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 16 January 2024 15:47 (one year ago)

Underreported fact: Iowa caucus turnout was the lowest it's been in 24 years.

Wack Snyder (Eric H.), Tuesday, 16 January 2024 16:27 (one year ago)

What I think the nation needs is more interviews with white guys in diners. Specifically about their culture war issues and sense of grievance and their feelings about how neglected they are.

We clearly haven't heard enough about them and their grievances and their resentments and their prejudices. Maybe a few more interviews in diners would finally let us know how they feel about things. Those poor unfortunate forgotten people, left behind by contemporary culture.

You know what might help? Interviewing some of them in a diner. Yes, clearly, then we will know more about how they feel. Because they've been so neglected and forgotten and all. Their concerns have not been publicized at all.

(Deliberately written in the most redundant and repetitious style because I am auditioning for the New York Times's "Cletus Safari" beat.)

CthulhuLululemon (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 16 January 2024 17:07 (one year ago)

I heard this on NPR yesterday, and couldn't quite wrap my head around it.

... They're writing about - gosh - I used to live in a community that looked one way and now it doesn't. They write about how the lunchroom is smelly, because new immigration patterns have meant that people are bringing new things in their lunchbox. I mean, literally - and so you see things and it can almost be in some ways a bellwether. So in the lead up to the election in 2016, about four or five years ahead of that, we started to see the word invisible more and more in the inbox. And we always saw the word invisible, but it was usually attached to women of color saying they felt invisible, a lot of Asian people saying that they felt invisible.

Suddenly we were seeing more white people, and particularly white men, saying that they felt invisible in their own country, that they were living in a country that they didn't understand, that they were living in a country that felt like it looked past them. And that was interesting because that was sort of the beginning for me of understanding something that was happening out in the world that I could see through numbers and statistics and demographic change. But it's very different when you're actually hearing someone talk about the job that they felt that they didn't get...

https://www.npr.org/2024/01/15/1224762742/michele-norris-shows-how-brevity-conveys-powerful-truths-about-americans-identit

nickn, Tuesday, 16 January 2024 17:40 (one year ago)

it's sad they were white people

Disco Biollante (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 16 January 2024 17:45 (one year ago)

Pity the plight of those who have to adjust to a world that caters to them 1% less than the 100% that it used to.

Great-Tasting Burger Perceptions (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 16 January 2024 17:58 (one year ago)

What I think the nation needs is more interviews with white guys in diners. Specifically about their culture war issues and sense of grievance and their feelings about how neglected they are.

We clearly haven't heard enough about them and their grievances and their resentments and their prejudices. Maybe a few more interviews in diners would finally let us know how they feel about things. Those poor unfortunate forgotten people, left behind by contemporary culture.

You know what might help? Interviewing some of them in a diner. Yes, clearly, then we will know more about how they feel. Because they've been so neglected and forgotten and all. Their concerns have not been publicized at all.

(Deliberately written in the most redundant and repetitious style because I am auditioning for the New York Times's "Cletus Safari" beat.)

Your nation doesn't need it and our nation doesn't need to see it but the media over here are obsessed with US politics and fuck what the rest of us think.

Bulky Pee Pants (Tom D.), Tuesday, 16 January 2024 18:08 (one year ago)

Suddenly we were seeing more white people, and particularly white men, saying that they felt invisible in their own country, that they were living in a country that they didn't understand, that they were living in a country that felt like it looked past them.

I have read this a hundred times, and I guess people feel this way, but -- how? I'm a white man too. I turn on the TV and I see shows about white men heroically doing stuff. I read the newspaper and it's about the white men who are in charge of the country. And I walk down the street and I see -- lots of white guys like me, doing our thing. Walking with their kids. Shopping. Visible! Not invisible!

Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 16 January 2024 18:25 (one year ago)

Yeah obviously what's going on isn't them actually feeling invisible, it's adjusting to a world where other people are visible. And this is definitely for sure a real reaction, it's a visceral way people experience unfamiliarity. (Paging John Rocker ...)

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 16 January 2024 18:34 (one year ago)

tipsy otm, but it kills me when I hear this type of shit from my MAGA relatives, all of whom, I must add, live in places where they have to go significantly out of their way to see someone who doesn't look like them.

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 16 January 2024 18:36 (one year ago)

I wonder how different all of this would be if, magically, social media ceased to exist.

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 16 January 2024 18:38 (one year ago)


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