Elon Musk

They should be recalled for real. If fully self driving cars can be safe, fine. Until then, keep them off the road.

look u can't make an omelette (le epic self-driving car with fart effect horn sounds) without breaking a few eggs (colliding with and immolating hundreds if not thousands of humans)

predictably Elon dickriders all over that thread pointing out it's an over the air software download, even though the article says that and it's still indicative of a major issue with the technology

-- lol suddenly having to control a speeding car from the back seat is literally one of my recurrent nightmares

― mark s, Wednesday, December 13, 2023 8:40 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

wait what, me too, is this a common thing???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhnrrLxQEVQ

Yeah, it amazes me that this feature was just allowed to be put out there with absolutely no regulation or long term safety studies. Just, here you go! Good luck at surviving lol.

especially given how strictly regulated the auto industry generally is, just more proof that when you have as much money as Elon Musk you can pretty much do what you want

It's not just out there for people to fuck around with, aren't there actually government sanctioned driverless taxis in, like, San Fran and Los Angeles? Just insane.

yeah i cannot imagine releasing autopilot, as done, to the public, but i guess we to suppose that their refusal to attempt to install any controls on the system (eg limitation of use to certain hiways) is some weird libertarian _avoid liability with this one weird trick!_, like they can just "ay driver, you got this, don't be a madman! but also, imagine the sleep you could catch up on. damn, imagine sex in the back seat while being driven by a robot. ha that's hilarious! welp. gotta go. stay tuned for downloads! you take care now!" *wink* *horrendous carnage* "damn. that's on you, i guess."

even safety systems/limits will have a certain failure rate. so do they think that placing safety systems/risks which might fail is too risky, liability wise? while letting drivers play 52 pickup is less risky to them? for automobiles?! batshit crazy. i truly cannot imagine what their regulatory counsel said to get here.

xpost Well after their major fuckups here Cruise got kicked to the curb in SF. I think the other one is still going? But I guess it actually 'works'

A friend posted from the backseat of one of those driverless SF cabs the other day and everyone was like ARE YOU NUTS GET OUT OF THERE.

Some Driverless IA car is going to solve the Trolley Problem by deciding that every pedestrian is a potential Hitler and running them all over.

better not question it if you want to be favored after the singularity

It makes me so angry that deadly technology can just be pushed out into the marketplace with no accountability. “Move fast and break things” should not include human bones crushed by unmanned automobiles.

― treeship., Wednesday, December 13, 2023 10:39 AM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

otm

look we’re all being v negative about tesla’s self-driving tech but i think u need to remember it’s clearly labelled as a beta version so let’s all just relax, put outlet feet up on the dashboard and veer wildly into a passing cyclist

elon's weird mom currently attacking joe biden on twitter

can't sue a beta version, very clever.

someone asked why elon’s mom needs all those dalmatians and now I can’t see her without thinking about it

elon's weird mom currently attacking joe biden on twitter

― mark s, Wednesday, December 13, 2023 12:57 PM (fifty-three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

aw yeah thats the stuff baby

she is really evil looking lol

Elon's mom has got it going on

I remember reading a story about a guy snoozing in his Tesla on Hwy 101 south of San Francisco, they had to chase him for 40 miles before he woke up - and thinking, 'this is not good, not good at all'

would be amazing if it was safe to do that, alas

"I am at a loss as to how customers continue to use the product not as intended. clearly this is just a few bad apples"

"for occasional relief of driving-related duties and obligations"

would be amazing if it was safe to do that, alas

we have that - they're called buses and trains

Driverless cars don't kill people, drivers sleeping in the backseat kill people.

we have that - they're called buses and trains

― Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, December 13, 2023 2:29 PM (thirty-six seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

those are good too

buses and trains are socialism, why should my tax dollars pay for a cushy transit system that isn't very affordable and doesn't get you where you need to go quickly. only car drivers are Americans

Amtrak Joe has a spending bill he wants you to peruse

in the future a car will just be a self driving bed you jump into as it drives past

training sessions will be offered to prepare you for the jump

tuition fees may be paid in Ethereum

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/36/Little_Nemo_Japanese_poster.jpg

If you think about it, no one would get hit by cars if there were no people. Driverless cars, pedestrian free world.

Imagine all the people
Not existing today

Anyone who has existed within the same space as motorists should surely just assume that many of them are going to flagrantly disregard the things that they are supposed to do. Estimating conservatively, I'd say I'm nearly run down about three times a week while walking to/from work by people who just absolutely positively must make that left turn at this precise moment, vehicular manslaughter charges be damned.

And that's the debate, right? Are cars without drivers actually any worse than cars *with* drivers?

I lost two very close friends to car accidents. One of them mowed down by a drink driver, the other was an unconscious passenger after the dickhead driver crashed into the side of a house and she was killed by fire as the injured driver crawled out of the wreck. Both responsible drivers had to face legal accountability in a court of law, same should apply to tech billionaires putting out experimental vehicular homicide machines on the streets.

Yes?

(That was an xpost to Josh)

can a car be drunk

wasn't a huge part of the Tesla hype from like 2017-2019 the fact that they would soon drive themselves? in fact isn't that how their stock price got so high? are the driver assist features not called "autopilot"?? like uhhh yeah of course some people are gonna take that literally

i was eventually struck bike commuting fractured skull severe tbi 2 mos in hospital. most drivers are pretty cool and kind if annoyed. but they are careless as FUCK, and sone shit cannot be undone.

i have no trust wrt to robots until they actually FEEL risk and FEAR guilt.

and relentless typos. endless typos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jgw8MEwTVwM

i always assume now that every vehicle around me is being driven by someone who will make the worst possible decision w/r/t me and my safety.

huge thread, can't load it, so maybe this was posted already.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/11/briefing/us-traffic-deaths.html

the Tesla hype from like 2017-2019

Afaict, that's still the hype fans buy into. Full self-driving, any day now. Any ... day ... now ....

And yeah, I didn't mean that self-driving cars were in some way better than human drivers, just that human drivers already suuuuuuuuuck and it's hard for me to believe (as much as I don't want them) that self-driving cars would necessarily be worse, at least statistically. Literally every single day I see something that either enrages me or shake my head or makes me breathe a sigh of relief. People blowing through stop signs and red lights. People driving at night with their headlights off. People making insane u-turns in busy intersections during rush hour. I have friends that have witnessed literal gun fights between speeding cars, like something out of an action movie. There's a hot dog stand here that has been boarded up since October, when a car crashed into it. Needless to say, the hot dog stand is not in the middle of the street.

It does blow my mind that even a relative handful of self-driving cars are out there. I don't even know how the insurance works on that, or how the legality works. Who is at fault if a self-driving car crashes? The car manufacturer? The software maker? The passengers? The owner of the company? All of the above and more, probably. I'm shocked there hasn't been a big multi-pronged lawsuit yet.

someone asked why elon’s mom needs all those dalmatians and now I can’t see her without thinking about it

these fruits never fall far from their poisonous trees
https://globalnews.ca/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/trump8.jpg?w=2048

that's Donald in prosthetics i can't be fooled