Israel, Palestine & the Levant rolling events: Oct 23 on

is a bold assertion that requires much more than a weak inference you drew from the evidence you cited.

This is also why it is important to to suss out the differences between companies like Pegasus and Wix or Monday.com. The latter two are just Israeli companies, who have worked with the government, but they aren’t producing technology for mass surveillance, necessarily. The former is a military an surveillance firm, not a “tech “ company.

I agree they've handled PR in Europe really badly, but it could well be that they just don't see France, Ireland, Sweden, Spain as particularly consequential

― anvil, Saturday, 23 December 2023 bookmarkflaglink

They've not tailored PR to particular countries. Not that I know of

In the US polling is now split on whether US should aid Israel. After two months of bombing.

To me, that's the beginning of the end for US-Israel relations. Not this year, or next, or five years sure, but that's gonna work itself through eventually.

from the CNN article. The last transition and quote are astonishing:

In northern Gaza’s Jabalya refugee camp, satellite images showed two large craters consistent with Israel’s October 31 bombing, decried by the UN as a “disproportionate attack that could amount to war crimes.” It claimed over 100 lives, according to civilian harm watchdog Airwars, and caused catastrophic damage in the densely populated area.

One Al Jazeera employee lost 19 members of his family in the bombing, which Israel claimed targeted Hamas commander Ibrahim Biari, killing him and destroying his base.

The two craters left behind by the attack, which experts described as “earthquake-like” in its impact, were 24 meters (nearly 79 feet) wide and 13 meters (nearly 43 feet) wide respectively, according to satellite imagery.

Former State Department adviser Lewis said the October 31 Jabalya strike was “something we would never see the US doing.”

“It certainly appears that (Israel’s) tolerance for civilian harm compared to expected operational benefits is significantly different than what we would accept as the US,” Lewis said.

“And, you know, our tolerance is pretty high!”

They've not tailored PR to particular countries. Not that I know of

In the US polling is now split on whether US should aid Israel. After two months of bombing.

To me, that's the beginning of the end for US-Israel relations. Not this year, or next, or five years sure, but that's gonna work itself through eventually.

― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 23 December 2023 13:14 (one hour ago) link

I definitely think there’s a shift that will translate to *something* longer term. I’m not sure about the beginning of the end and I don’t know about as soon as five years. But eventually the generation coming up now with a very different view of Israel than Biden’s generation will get to the age where some of them are in power. And if we continue to reduce dependence on ME oil that will shift geopolitical dynamics too.

That said, US foreign policy has an ugly way of side stepping public opinion, particularly when US troops aren’t on the line. It’s not like Americans love Saudi Arabia.

Maybe I’m too cynical but our (America’s) political system has already proved itself impervious to public opinion for a long time on issues like gun control and abortion.

Congress provided Israel with coordinates of churches that were later struck by Israeli bombs.

Link here.

ugh revolting

A church and a convent that were struck in Gaza last week were listed among Christian facilities congressional staffers had flagged to Israeli authorities for protection — according to a series of emails from October.

Also, to those who scoff at the term “ethnic cleansing” being utilized to describe the situation:

- 1 in 100 Gazans is dead (the number is actually much higher)
- 90% of the remaining population of Gaza is going without food for a day at a time
- 1/4 are experiencing what the UN describes as “catastrophic” starvation levels

The emails from October contain multiple back and forths between the Israelis and Catholic Relief Services, via the congressional staffers, as to the exact location of the four buildings the organization wants to deconflict.

At one point the Israelis claimed one of the buildings identified on the coordinate list presented by Catholic Relief Services was a mosque.

“We received feedback that the Handicap Children’s House is a mosque,” one of the emails from the congressional staffers says.

wtf

well that’s alright then

An Israeli military airstrike killed more than 70 members of an extended family, including a veteran UN aid worker, as the UN secretary general warned that the scale of death and destruction inside Gaza is blocking delivery of desperately needed aid.
...On Saturday, Hamas also claimed that an Israeli military airstrike might have killed five hostages. Abu Ubaida, spokesman for Hamas’s armed wing, said that it had lost contact with the group responsible for holding the Israelis captive.
...The death toll from Israeli strikes inside Gaza climbed to 20,258, the majority of them women and children, said the Hamas-run health authorities on Saturday. Thousands more are thought to be buried under the rubble of collapsed buildings.
...UNDP aid worker Mughrabi was the most recent addition to a fast growing list of UN losses among those deaths.

On average, one or two UN employees have died in Gaza each day of the war – more than 130 in total. That toll is “something we have never seen in the history of the United Nations”, said its secretary general, António Guterres.

Speaking after the UN security council passed a resolution calling for a massive increase in aid shipments, he warned that getting more supplies across the border into Gaza is just the first step towards staving off the imminent threat of famine and deadly epidemics.
“Many people are measuring the effectiveness of the humanitarian operation in Gaza based on the number of trucks from the Egyptian Red Crescent, the UN and our partners that are allowed to unload aid across the border,” Guterres said. “This is a mistake.”

Distribution inside Gaza is equally important and the way Israel is waging war is “creating massive obstacles” to getting aid to hundreds of thousands of people in desperate need, Guterres added. “An effective aid operation in Gaza requires security, staff who can work in safety, logistical capacity and the resumption of commercial activity. These four elements do not exist,” he said.

There are not enough lorries or fuel, roads have been bombed, or blocked by rubble or unexploded munitions, and security is fraying as hunger and desperation grow.

UN staff are often trying to work without power or communications, through mass displacement and the deaths of relatives, colleagues and friends.

The logistics problems detailed by Guterres include a simple question of vehicle capacity. Every pallet of aid that arrives at the border has to be unloaded and the cargo reloaded into different lorries inside Gaza for distribution there.

Unimaginably horrific.

Israel needs to be forced to stop and to send in aid or to allow in aid via the Israeli crossings. Or airlift aid in or something. Or by ship. And what about hospital ships or even housing people on ships temporarily? I don’t pretend to know the logistics but how can there not be some way?

Tonight in Tel Aviv: police attacked Israeli activists who held a sign reading "stop the genocide in Gaza " pic.twitter.com/kkvmg9PH7H

— Voices Against War (@againstwarvoice) December 23, 2023

xp thanks for that post and apologies for my shitty response to u the other day. exactly why I try to stay out of this thread, my bad. this situation is just so awful.

accepted and no worries, it is awful

Thread on Yemen blockade and the consequences for it's people

Yemen, a country that had to endure a genocide at the hands of Imperialist cores in the west and east for over a decade, and one of the poorest countries in the WORLD- has singlehandedly applied more pressure on israel than any other exisiting force.

— K.Diallo ☭ (@nyeusi_waasi) December 24, 2023

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/12/25/israel-intensifies-occupied-west-bank-raids-on-christmas-day

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hamas-islamic-jihad-reject-giving-up-power-return-permanent-ceasefire-egyptian-2023-12-25/

Israel Working to Expel Civilian Population of Gaza

Israel is seeking to permanently alter the composition of Gaza’s population with ever-expanding evacuation orders and widespread and systematic attacks on civilians and civilian infrastructure in southern areas of the besieged enclave, a UN expert warned today.

Merry Christmas:

This is a battle, not only of Israel against these barbarians, it's a battle of civilization against barbarism. And I know in this that we have your support.

— Prime Minister of Israel (@IsraeliPM) December 24, 2023

Video of Israeli forces invading and destroying a stadium in Gaza, turning it into a detention camp. There are reportedly hundreds of Palestinians being held under horrific conditions in this stadium alone, stripped naked and abused. This includes men, women, children and elders. pic.twitter.com/BhtCQZwP8p

— Good Shepherd Collective (@Shepherds4Good) December 25, 2023

Tell me once again this isn't ethnic cleansing.

Feel like I'm losing my fucking mind that Israel's actions aren't being seen as exactly what they are: the genocidal rampages of a racist, ethno-religious fascist state asserting its power over a population it has immiserated after colonizing.

Nothing, and I mean nothing, justifies what is going on.

That fucking Clash of Civilizations crap is so infuriating. People are alive. Civilizations are just loose aggregations of ideas and cultural artifacts within which people do their living. They just happen and they contain about as much harmful nonsense as they do good stuff. What matters is the people in them who just go about living their lives. That's why wars improve NOTHING, you assholes.

Oh, and Merry Christmas to the many lovely people of ILX. Rant over.

I haven’t felt very good this Christmas what with feeling helpless about Gaza, and the record breaking month long warmth in Minnesota where I am for the holidays. As a fellow Lutheran, the words of the pastor in Bethlehem haunt me that my tax money is supporting this.

Sending money to Gaza charities is about all I feel I can do.

OPINION: The facts demonstrate that the northern Sinai Peninsula is an ideal location to develop a spacious resettlement for the people of Gaza. https://t.co/1U38AWSVwb

— The Jerusalem Post (@Jerusalem_Post) December 25, 2023

can we use words yet

Siri what’s a pogrom

This quote from the Jerusalem Post article is especially wow:

The Egyptians locked the residents of Gaza and the refugees of the 1948 War in the Gaza Strip, and, with the backing of the United Nations, still deny them the right to rebuild their lives in all Arab countries, including in the adjacent Sinai Peninsula of Egypt. This harsh policy was one of the major and long-term catalysts for the intensifying human stagnation of now circa 1.8 million inhabitants within the Strip.

Full statement from Tal Mitnick, the Israeli 18-year-old sentenced to prison for refusing to enlist:

"I do not want to take part in the continuation of the oppression and the continuation of the cycle of bloodshed, but to work directly for a solution, and therefore I refuse." pic.twitter.com/TbkCTAPieR

— Prem Thakker (@prem_thakker) December 26, 2023

This is a very good piece.

While the martyrdom of over two million innocent Palestinian civilians continues, despite the temporary ceasefire and the exchange of hostages for Palestinian prisoners, a bigger question looms: who will run what remains of the Gaza Strip after the guns fall silent? Netanyahu has declared that he wants the IDF to keep indefinite security control of the strip but no one in Israel wants to assume all the responsibilities of an occupying power again.

Meanwhile, his own grip on power at home is weakening. He faces strong popular opposition for his failure to prevent the horrendous Hamas attack and, more generally, for making Israel the most dangerous place in the world for Jews to live. He is also embroiled in a corruption trial on charges—all of which he denies—including fraud, breaching public trust and accepting bribes. Politically speaking, he is a dead man walking. His days in power are numbered and there is a chance that he will end up in prison. But he is still the prime minister, and his clearly stated aim is to eradicate Hamas and to prevent it from returning to power ever again. So, who will govern the Gaza Strip after the Israeli army leaves?

This ghastly war has also exposed the ruthless hypocrisy of the western leaders, their blatant double standards, their indifference to Palestinian rights and their complicity in Israel’s war crimes.

This is not a conflict between two equal sides but between an occupying power and a subjugated population. And there is absolutely no military solution to this conflict. Israel cannot have security without peace with its neighbours. A negotiated political compromise, as in Northern Ireland, is the only way forward. That settlement required external intervention, as does this one. Here, however, the US cannot serve as the sole broker because its pronounced bias in favour of Israel would make it a dishonest one. Ever since 1967, it has arrogated to itself a monopoly over the Israeli-Palestinian peace process but failed to put pressure on Israel to compromise. What is needed now is a new international coalition led by the UN which includes the US and EU but also Arab states and members of the global south.

That’s by Avi Shlaim. Anything he has to say about I/P is worth reading.

Good read, though I think as of three weeks after that article, with 20,000+ dead and at least 5,000 still under rubble and a Palestinian child being killed by Israel every ten minutes, we are firmly in “ethnic cleansing” territory, based on many of the definitions I have read.

The Shalim piece was published three weeks ago, he might agree with you today.

*Shlaim

yeah i don’t doubt it

that's a good statement by Tal Mitnick

He is truly courageous.

Day three updates from my husband, part of the first team of surgeons from the US to enter Gaza on a medical mission.

Please pray for Palestine. pic.twitter.com/rUSY82ib6R

— Lauren Hasan (@ldallan) December 28, 2023

Israel cannot have security without peace with its neighbours.

This was an interesting piece but I think leaves more questions than answers. Yes its current actions look like repeating the US mistake of winning a war (Iraq) instead of winning the peace, which can still be done even if you lose (Vietnam)

But, on the other hand Israel HAS already won the peace with almost all of its neighbours (though it remains to be seen if, or by how much , this changes now). It only really has the one enemy, in Iran, anymore

Then there is the question of, does it actually want peace? There's a presumption that peace is the preferred outcome everywhere that I don't think is necessarily true.

The changing nature of Israels demographics and internal politics are gradually making negotiated solutions more difficult internally, and the West Bank seems more of a roadblock than Gaza, once you get your people settled somewhere via population transfers that becomes very difficult to undo, as we know from the population transfers and settler colonialism in Mariupol in recent times.

The landscape has changed a lot afaict since the solutions mooted around the end of the Clinton period , and is continuing to move further away not towards

There is a widespread feeling among Israelis now, justified or not, of “we tried peace and look what they did to us”

oof. "no justice, no peace" as the saying goes. iirc over 200 Palestinian civilians were killed by Israeli forces in 2023 pre-10/7, that doesn't sound like "peace" to me (not directed at u at all, MA)

the only route to peace is a free Palestine so no, it is not justified for Israelis to believe they have “tried peace”.

"we tried oppressing them and putting them in an open air prison and forcing them out of their homes! why do they hate us?"

smdh

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— Armenian Patriarchate Of Jerusalem (@ArmenianQuarter) December 28, 2023

Northern Gaza is no more. An unspeakable crimepic.twitter.com/PAyabfjzf3

— Bruno Maçães (@MacaesBruno) December 27, 2023

xp, right I'm just saying that 10/7 likely put a negotiated solution further away, at least in the nearer term. I heard John Mearsheimer say the same on a podcast I listened to last night, fwiw.