Israel/Palestine post 10/7 - follow-on events/thoughts as relate to other countries

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A Jordanian student in Germany, Mohammad Barakat, 21, was shot dead in Hamburg. The shooting was ideologically motivated in response to Mohammad's social media posts about the ongoing genocide in Gaza. This is the direct outcome of state-sponsored racism. pic.twitter.com/a5CP1zfG5N

— Dr. Shahd Hammouri د.شهد الحموري (@shahdhm) December 23, 2023

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 23 December 2023 17:51 (ten months ago) link

CONFIRMED: Operation Prosperity Guardian falls apart as France, Spain and Italy withdraw, refusing to put their warships under U.S. command pic.twitter.com/yVY6cj1X1j

— DD Geopolitics (@DD_Geopolitics) December 23, 2023

papal hotwife (milo z), Saturday, 23 December 2023 19:34 (ten months ago) link

Smart move by France, Spain and Italy.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Saturday, 23 December 2023 19:41 (ten months ago) link

https://www.timesnownews.com/world/mohamed-barakat-shooting-jordanian-student-killed-in-hamburg-germany-after-posting-about-gaza-article-106239759

motive as yet unconfirmed on the barakat shooting (I don't know how good this news site is but there's very little reporting on the shooting so far and this is the most recent thing I could find)

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Sunday, 24 December 2023 02:42 (ten months ago) link

This has been an extraordinarily dangerous year for press around the world. Many killed, many more wounded, hundreds detained, attacked, threatened, injured – simply for doing their jobs. I am profoundly grateful to the press for getting accurate, timely information to people.

— Secretary Antony Blinken (@SecBlinken) December 28, 2023

JoeStork, Thursday, 28 December 2023 20:21 (ten months ago) link

the passive voice

symsymsym, Thursday, 28 December 2023 20:47 (ten months ago) link

Blinken belongs on a fuckin gallows

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Thursday, 28 December 2023 21:19 (ten months ago) link

Watching news at home and they had an item about the conflict which had commentary from the UN, Israeli officials…and refugees in the Rafah camp. IT was a completely unremarkable clip, just a family cooking some rice on a portable cooker, but the fact that they were given a voice at all struck me as notable.

mojo dojo casas house (gyac), Friday, 29 December 2023 21:12 (ten months ago) link

ICC PRESS RELEASE: The Republic of South Africa institutes proceedings against the State of Israel and requests the Court to indicate provisional measures https://t.co/MMpqoheUtk pic.twitter.com/oeWLtKx4fL

— Presidency | South Africa 🇿🇦 (@PresidencyZA) December 29, 2023

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 30 December 2023 11:28 (ten months ago) link

Thanks for posting this. There is a simplicity and clarity to it.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 31 December 2023 09:30 (ten months ago) link

Excellent piece.

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Sunday, 31 December 2023 12:56 (ten months ago) link

Claudine Gay resigning, a bit of a surprise.

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 18:12 (ten months ago) link

Wild.

Palestinians would really love to get the same amount of attention and protection as shipping containers. pic.twitter.com/bT4ikWYeKy

— Yasmine El-Sabawi ياسمين السبعاوي (@yasmineelsabawi) January 3, 2024

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 4 January 2024 11:57 (ten months ago) link

Good.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-67885910

xyzzzz__, Friday, 5 January 2024 14:10 (ten months ago) link

"The issue wasn’t just that our pleas were falling on deaf ears – it was that we were appealing to the very institutions which were responsible for driving the colonisation of Palestine.

With the “democratic process” failing to create change, and with Elbit continuing to manufacture Israeli weapons on British soil, I was left with two options: continue with tactics which were failing or take direct action to shut Elbit down"

https://www.declassifieduk.org/why-i-risked-prison-to-shut-elbit-down/

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 10 January 2024 15:56 (ten months ago) link

The South African Apartheid Regime was backed by three countries to its wretched end; Israel, the United States, and the United Kingdom. We can hear the echoes of this history as a free South Africa prepares to take Israel to court for genocide

— Aditya Iyer 🍉 (@Thatadityaiyer) January 10, 2024

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 11 January 2024 08:00 (ten months ago) link

The anti-boycott bill is an assault on Palestinian solidarity.

I would have voted against it, but I am at The Hague to support South Africa’s case against Israel.

This is a historic moment for humanity, and a wake-up call for political leaders letting a genocide unfold.

— Jeremy Corbyn (@jeremycorbyn) January 10, 2024

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 11 January 2024 08:36 (ten months ago) link

Sad to say I have no time to watch this.

⭕️ LIVE: South Africa begins its genocide case against Israel at the ICJ in The Hague. https://t.co/91IIgwSAgK

— Al Jazeera English (@AJEnglish) January 11, 2024

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 11 January 2024 10:20 (ten months ago) link

I must say I find it highly amusing to watch the Israeli delegation at the ICJ being forced to listen (and to shut up) when its crimes are read aloud by South African counsels. pic.twitter.com/muX9QT7u9K

— روني الدنماركي (@Aldanmarki) January 11, 2024

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 11 January 2024 11:24 (ten months ago) link

Good thread on what the Israeli defence will look like and how this might all play out

Israel will respond to South Africa’s statement tomorrow and I keep seeing people ask “how will they respond”…l don’t think their legal response will be any different than what they’ve been pushing. They’ll play the video from the 7th of October and centre it on self-defence.

— Arnesa Buljušmić-Kustura (@Rrrrnessa) January 11, 2024

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 11 January 2024 15:32 (ten months ago) link

The Left has ab Antisemitism problem. And it's morphing into a Qanon problem and we all know it. https://t.co/gJI2Kmseg1

— Cartright (@Vandalay_Inc) January 11, 2024

felicity, Thursday, 11 January 2024 18:57 (ten months ago) link

That account is retweeting some pretty unhinged stuff about South Africa being "the legal arm of Hamas", among other things.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 11 January 2024 20:34 (ten months ago) link

That's the official line of the Israeli government in fact.

Little Billy Love (Tom D.), Thursday, 11 January 2024 20:36 (ten months ago) link

Besides all that the tweet is very clear in terms of the point made and the double standard he was arguing about, which is what I wanted to put across.

You want it that way, so there you go.

xp

felicity, Thursday, 11 January 2024 21:21 (ten months ago) link

I agree with you that stuff like canceling the Palestinian art exhibit is bullshit.

felicity, Thursday, 11 January 2024 21:24 (ten months ago) link

I'm very interested to see what the submissions by Israel's counsel will be. The key items of genocide are very obviously applicable to Israel's conduct but the submissions on areas of potential weakness (intent, competence and 'self defense' as a justification) seemed very strong.

The connections that SA's lawyers made between the clearly genocidal rhetoric evident across Israel's political leadership and its mirroring in the language of IOF soldiers was chilling in its economy and a hint at the strength of the case they would hope to make if the case continues to merits.

They cited fairly voluminous ICJ jurisprudence weighted against the use of 'self-defense' as a justification for genocide, arguing that there is no justification for genocide ("Article I
The Contracting Parties confirm that genocide, whether committed in time of peace or in time of war, is a crime under international law which they undertake to prevent and to punish.")

plax (ico), Thursday, 11 January 2024 21:25 (ten months ago) link

I think there is a cynicism towards this particular case being brought by SA at this time. That doesn't mean it is wrong or that the actions are not genocidal or that other genocides are not going on.

felicity, Thursday, 11 January 2024 21:28 (ten months ago) link

I don't think the tweet is clear at all: it suggests that the left has a "qanon problem" and shares a video of ppl booing a man speaking of losing relatives to a terror attack. The implication I guess being that the ppl booing don't believe the attack happened, which already doesn't follow - but if you actually watch the video, the jeering does not happen while he's recounting this, but when he goes on to say that the motion under discussion fuels anti semitism (a motion the ppl booing presumably are there to support). I'm not saying the ppl booing are right - I don't know the details of the motion - but the way the tweet frames this is not credible.

Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 11 January 2024 21:43 (ten months ago) link

It's the Livingston Formulation.

felicity, Thursday, 11 January 2024 21:44 (ten months ago) link

I didn't think tweet particularly clear either.

I did see a vid from a few weeks ago, also from SF at some kind of housing forum, which I think fits the description much more than this one. I didn't post it, but I'll try find it

anvil, Thursday, 11 January 2024 21:48 (ten months ago) link

If that is the motion at the bottom of the screen it seems... uncontroversial?

Bulky Pee Pants (Tom D.), Thursday, 11 January 2024 21:48 (ten months ago) link

If the motion is not controversial, why boo the man and make pig noises at the hearing?

felicity, Thursday, 11 January 2024 21:52 (ten months ago) link

Even the UN passed a resolutiom calling on Hamas to release the hostages.

felicity, Thursday, 11 January 2024 21:53 (ten months ago) link

The motion is obviously controversial, whether it should be or not, because the clip is of a person arguing against it. The clip does not explain the speaker's reasoning for thinking that way though, nor again does anything in it relate back to the tweet's suggestion of a "qanon problem", so as I said I don't find it clear in any way.

Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 11 January 2024 21:58 (ten months ago) link

If the motion is not controversial, why boo the man and make pig noises at the hearing?


This point doesn’t make sense— they are booing the guy because his point about asking for a ceasefire fueling anti-semitism is fucking bullshit.

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Thursday, 11 January 2024 22:13 (ten months ago) link

“my relatives were killed and so the Israeli government should be able to keep up with its genocide and we shouldn’t say anything about it”

this is a shit point.

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Thursday, 11 January 2024 22:15 (ten months ago) link

This is the text of the resolution as it passed: https://sfgov.legistar.com/View.ashx?M=F&ID=12564830&GUID=06E799CA-0C22-49FE-992E-C2766A7C4625

Here's a news report on the hearing: https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/article/sf-ceasefire-resolution-gaza-israel-war-supervisor-18598447.php

rob, Thursday, 11 January 2024 22:25 (ten months ago) link

this is a shit point.

ok, boner.

which is not to say this instinct is wrong, but that it requires much much more.

a single gunshot and polite applause (Hunt3r), Thursday, 11 January 2024 22:31 (ten months ago) link

Much more what?

This isn’t complicated. The resolution condemns Hamas and asks for return of hostages. It also asks for an immediate ceasefire and a state where both Israelis and Palestinians can thrive.

The guy in felicity’s tweet doesn’t agree, and seems to believe that any criticism of Israel is anti-semitic, meanwhile the Israeli government is purposely starving the population of Gaza after murdering 30,000 people. Fuck him and his opinions and any response to those opinions other than condemnation.

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Thursday, 11 January 2024 22:54 (ten months ago) link

Nah, you can be against killing innocent people and also not make pig noises at victims' families.

felicity, Thursday, 11 January 2024 23:20 (ten months ago) link

It should be noted that mocking jews by reference to their relationship with pigs has strong anti-antisemitic vibes.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 11 January 2024 23:25 (ten months ago) link

^ mentally remove one anti plz

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 11 January 2024 23:26 (ten months ago) link

Did you mean to have two antis in there

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Thursday, 11 January 2024 23:28 (ten months ago) link

Ha

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Thursday, 11 January 2024 23:29 (ten months ago) link

Is there a video where the protestors are heard making pig noises?

plax (ico), Thursday, 11 January 2024 23:29 (ten months ago) link


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