Israel/Palestine post 10/7 - follow-on events/thoughts as relate to other countries

http://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did%3Aplc%3At46sqvutibvsmjgwn6r6izve/bafkreidjexmcjzp7sz3vjrrrxf7vpc2oa4jv3p2h5mvdktk2m26d3drjki@jpeg

apparently they've deleted this bit of insanity

Blinken belongs on a fuckin gallows

Watching news at home and they had an item about the conflict which had commentary from the UN, Israeli officials…and refugees in the Rafah camp. IT was a completely unremarkable clip, just a family cooking some rice on a portable cooker, but the fact that they were given a voice at all struck me as notable.

ICC PRESS RELEASE: The Republic of South Africa institutes proceedings against the State of Israel and requests the Court to indicate provisional measures https://t.co/MMpqoheUtk pic.twitter.com/oeWLtKx4fL

— Presidency | South Africa 🇿🇦 (@PresidencyZA) December 29, 2023

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2023/12/29/steinberg-weaponizing-antisemitism/

Thanks for posting this. There is a simplicity and clarity to it.

Excellent piece.

Claudine Gay resigning, a bit of a surprise.

Wild.

Palestinians would really love to get the same amount of attention and protection as shipping containers. pic.twitter.com/bT4ikWYeKy

— Yasmine El-Sabawi ياسمين السبعاوي (@yasmineelsabawi) January 3, 2024

https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/imam-killed-in-shooting-outside-new-jersey-mosque-and-the-shooter-remains-at-large-authorities-say-1.6709769

Good.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-67885910

"The issue wasn’t just that our pleas were falling on deaf ears – it was that we were appealing to the very institutions which were responsible for driving the colonisation of Palestine.

With the “democratic process” failing to create change, and with Elbit continuing to manufacture Israeli weapons on British soil, I was left with two options: continue with tactics which were failing or take direct action to shut Elbit down"

https://www.declassifieduk.org/why-i-risked-prison-to-shut-elbit-down/

The South African Apartheid Regime was backed by three countries to its wretched end; Israel, the United States, and the United Kingdom. We can hear the echoes of this history as a free South Africa prepares to take Israel to court for genocide

— Aditya Iyer 🍉 (@Thatadityaiyer) January 10, 2024

The anti-boycott bill is an assault on Palestinian solidarity.

I would have voted against it, but I am at The Hague to support South Africa’s case against Israel.

This is a historic moment for humanity, and a wake-up call for political leaders letting a genocide unfold.

— Jeremy Corbyn (@jeremycorbyn) January 10, 2024

Sad to say I have no time to watch this.

⭕️ LIVE: South Africa begins its genocide case against Israel at the ICJ in The Hague. https://t.co/91IIgwSAgK

— Al Jazeera English (@AJEnglish) January 11, 2024

I must say I find it highly amusing to watch the Israeli delegation at the ICJ being forced to listen (and to shut up) when its crimes are read aloud by South African counsels. pic.twitter.com/muX9QT7u9K

— روني الدنماركي (@Aldanmarki) January 11, 2024

Good thread on what the Israeli defence will look like and how this might all play out

Israel will respond to South Africa’s statement tomorrow and I keep seeing people ask “how will they respond”…l don’t think their legal response will be any different than what they’ve been pushing. They’ll play the video from the 7th of October and centre it on self-defence.

— Arnesa Buljušmić-Kustura (@Rrrrnessa) January 11, 2024

The Left has ab Antisemitism problem. And it's morphing into a Qanon problem and we all know it. https://t.co/gJI2Kmseg1

— Cartright (@Vandalay_Inc) January 11, 2024

That account is retweeting some pretty unhinged stuff about South Africa being "the legal arm of Hamas", among other things.

That's the official line of the Israeli government in fact.

https://www.artnews.com/art-news/news/indiana-university-cancels-survey-palestinian-painter-samia-halaby-1234692712/

Besides all that the tweet is very clear in terms of the point made and the double standard he was arguing about, which is what I wanted to put across.

You want it that way, so there you go.

xp

I agree with you that stuff like canceling the Palestinian art exhibit is bullshit.

I'm very interested to see what the submissions by Israel's counsel will be. The key items of genocide are very obviously applicable to Israel's conduct but the submissions on areas of potential weakness (intent, competence and 'self defense' as a justification) seemed very strong.

The connections that SA's lawyers made between the clearly genocidal rhetoric evident across Israel's political leadership and its mirroring in the language of IOF soldiers was chilling in its economy and a hint at the strength of the case they would hope to make if the case continues to merits.

They cited fairly voluminous ICJ jurisprudence weighted against the use of 'self-defense' as a justification for genocide, arguing that there is no justification for genocide ("Article I
The Contracting Parties confirm that genocide, whether committed in time of peace or in time of war, is a crime under international law which they undertake to prevent and to punish.")

I think there is a cynicism towards this particular case being brought by SA at this time. That doesn't mean it is wrong or that the actions are not genocidal or that other genocides are not going on.

I don't think the tweet is clear at all: it suggests that the left has a "qanon problem" and shares a video of ppl booing a man speaking of losing relatives to a terror attack. The implication I guess being that the ppl booing don't believe the attack happened, which already doesn't follow - but if you actually watch the video, the jeering does not happen while he's recounting this, but when he goes on to say that the motion under discussion fuels anti semitism (a motion the ppl booing presumably are there to support). I'm not saying the ppl booing are right - I don't know the details of the motion - but the way the tweet frames this is not credible.

It's the Livingston Formulation.

I didn't think tweet particularly clear either.

I did see a vid from a few weeks ago, also from SF at some kind of housing forum, which I think fits the description much more than this one. I didn't post it, but I'll try find it

If that is the motion at the bottom of the screen it seems... uncontroversial?

If the motion is not controversial, why boo the man and make pig noises at the hearing?

Even the UN passed a resolutiom calling on Hamas to release the hostages.

The motion is obviously controversial, whether it should be or not, because the clip is of a person arguing against it. The clip does not explain the speaker's reasoning for thinking that way though, nor again does anything in it relate back to the tweet's suggestion of a "qanon problem", so as I said I don't find it clear in any way.

If the motion is not controversial, why boo the man and make pig noises at the hearing?

“my relatives were killed and so the Israeli government should be able to keep up with its genocide and we shouldn’t say anything about it”

this is a shit point.

This is the text of the resolution as it passed: https://sfgov.legistar.com/View.ashx?M=F&ID=12564830&GUID=06E799CA-0C22-49FE-992E-C2766A7C4625

Here's a news report on the hearing: https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/article/sf-ceasefire-resolution-gaza-israel-war-supervisor-18598447.php

this is a shit point.

ok, boner.

which is not to say this instinct is wrong, but that it requires much much more.

Much more what?

This isn’t complicated. The resolution condemns Hamas and asks for return of hostages. It also asks for an immediate ceasefire and a state where both Israelis and Palestinians can thrive.

The guy in felicity’s tweet doesn’t agree, and seems to believe that any criticism of Israel is anti-semitic, meanwhile the Israeli government is purposely starving the population of Gaza after murdering 30,000 people. Fuck him and his opinions and any response to those opinions other than condemnation.

Nah, you can be against killing innocent people and also not make pig noises at victims' families.

It should be noted that mocking jews by reference to their relationship with pigs has strong anti-antisemitic vibes.

^ mentally remove one anti plz

Did you mean to have two antis in there

Ha

Is there a video where the protestors are heard making pig noises?

The guy in the video said it. I believed it, but if you want to litigate that, I guess that proves my point.

What, that we should believe everything that someone who condones genocide says just because he’s Jewish? Please. There are no pig noises in that video. His point is ridiculous, and he’s a moron.

you'll agree with me then that pig noises directed at a Jewish person who has lost family is antisemitic?

y/n

felicity I am so tired of your piously disingenuous concern trolling

5 children are dying every hour in Gaza but let's wring our hands about some (alleged) insults in a meeting, or a sign on a backpack, or wtf ever

it's like the people who focus on a single broken window after a large protest, idk what the word for that is but it's a deliberate attempt to shift focus from the issues at hand

^ ^ ^

The difference is that I think Palestinian suffering and Israeli crimes against humanity are real.

then post like it instead of re-posting some Hasbara-addled, anti-ceasefire tweet that makes unsubstantiated claims.