Words, usages, and phrases that annoy the shit out of you...

"pre-owned" definitely gives me lionel hutz vibes but ymmv

Frankly I find the word “used” far more objectionable than “pre-owned” — it feeds into a purity narrative that I’m not here for tbh

― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Sunday, December 31, 2023 12:10 PM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

just think of it more as a detox story

mmv based on not knowing who lionel hutz is i guess?

i also think "used" does have baggage but ultimately pre-owned is fine and there is nothing wrong with it

happy new year

agree with LL, pre-owned is fine. we have a lot of "pre-loved" here which actually is the worst when I think about it

what about pre-pwned

Pre-own the libs

Stoner rock excluding anything pre 1990 which seems inherently revisionist. Goes directly against the nature of what's described.
& seems ahistorical, like.

you have utterly lost me

Stoner Rock which is basically a scene where musicians who grew up on punk & metal rediscover the music sprouting in the wake of the post Hendrix paradigm shift. That is to say heavy guitar rock with distortion dating from the late 60s/early 70s and seeming like distortion/effects are covering up for lack of technique. So like a later garage rock but heavier and feeding off heavier directions popular bands were heading in.
Tying in with the synecdoche of Black Sabbath but also covering a load of other similarly heavy bands.
An influence that is pretty audible in the sound these purists are listening to. But this tourism appears to cut off the roots by placing a safekeeping date of 1990 to place when the sound was born. I think it's inherently retro but reworked in new ways which is a crucial step in most genre definition or differentiation I guess. But I thought most people with understanding recognised the roots.
Instead of which here there just seems to be a supposition that that old stuff is worthless cos it ain't Stoner Rock TM.
Whereas knowing the older stuff and its influence I'm dumbfounded by the ignorance. I thought people into the newer stuff recognised what it took from the older. But am seeing a lot of gaslighting happening.
So hope that's a bit clearer

autocorrect playing chinese whispers
But this tourism appears to cut off the roots by placing a safekeeping date of 1990 to place when the sound was born.

was written as
But this But this purism appears to cut off the roots by placing a gatekeeping date of 1990 to place when the sound was born.

which means it excludes the basic building blocks the music is based in.

Rejects Blue Cheer, Stooges, Mc5 and vehemently early Pink Floyd all of which were touchstones early on. I think very audible ones.

where are the people who are acting like things didn’t exist pre-1990

Steve Hoffman. I am viewing their comments with disbelief. Knowing that the chronology is simply wrong. & the amount of direct influence from an earlier era is one of the main differentiations that make it Stoner Rock.

Also aware that people have used the term for decades. Has been used to cover the bands of influence as well as those influenced for most of the time I've been familiar with it. But its being acted as though this is a specific genre that absolutely excludes any of that music. So they're going to be very annoyed with you if you ever do.

As I remember it I was picking up the turn of the 70s material with that term in mind. & more of it was being reissued to cater to a market/audience showing interest in it. Si companies who had mainly been reissuing mid 60s garage and freakbeat & early psychedelia were putting out things from a while later. Though could be wrong there and things were already being released from early 70s by Repertoire etc. Found Stackwaddy Bugger Off in an HMV sale in like 93 and not sure when the trend to things like that reappearing started. Do see that cd was 1990.
& that there were a number of trends looking at heavy 60s things already underway. Grunge was around since mid 80s, Butthole Surfers were around utilising influences from that era. Black Flag became sludgy in early 84 and passed the influence on. Flipper wewre doing their own thing with influence as were the Swans though not sure how obvious the Stooges fixation was there.

Stoner Rock appears to have been a term that was used loosely for a long while. Seems to be a belief that it fappred in the universe with a specific narrow reference on a specific date.
I don't believe it.

so they created a specific genre classification that they call “stoner rock” that seems ahistorical and overly specific chronologically in a way that doesn’t align with your interpretation of the phrase.

got it, sounds annoying

seems to disown audible influences is one big part of it too.
Which had been recognised for years. & turn up in descriptions of the music as it was becoming popular.

Like can see genre descriptions changing over time but this seems to disown what makes the genre and substitutes something vague to allow the year zero cut off. Which is just false.

reminds me of if somebody said rockabilly started with Brian Setzer and therefore didn't include Charlie Feathers.

Or Ska started with the Specials included the Untouchables but don't mention Prince Buster

people are saying “milktoast” on social media today and I’m not even mad, just amused

I thought there was a 2nd syllable so it was milkytoast but not sure I've heard it said just read it.

& surely blaspheming Detroit dunt is something that every decent person should take a stand against.

milkytoast seems so onomatopaeic dunnit?

I think it's just pronounced "milktoast."

I googled it and apparently it comes from the comic strip character Caspar Milquetoast, who was named after milk toast, which was a thing people actually ate. So it's not that surprising if the word has reverted to its original spelling.

ok now I’m irritated

point with Stoner Rock is that quite contrary to it having been created to have a specific meaning it was a term that had been around for years. It had a usage that appears to have been reduced heavily if this 1990 thing is to be believed, which just seems to be made up.
& any usage reflecting its actual origins gets treated like its a new invention.
Meanwhile the legacy of those origins remains as its most distinctive feature.

But its been treated like it miraculously appeared from a vacuum Despite audible influences and cover versions of songs by the bands those audible influences come from remaining. But any recognition of that is respoinded to in a gaslighting way. Like that's what was made up.
seems a bit deluded and far from erudite.

So it's not that surprising if the word has reverted to its original spelling.

I had no idea it had.

Helmet spelled it 'milquetoast' on their classic track from the album Betty

so I think all other spellings are actually banned by Geneva convention

"Pre-owned" just smacks of euphemism and marketing-speak to me.

"Previously owned" would be more accurate and far less objectionable.

I was going to get pedantic and then just did a 180 -- I think you're correct. Pre-owned only makes sense as a shortening of "previously owned" (which is the common usage) because pre-owned would literally mean it's in a state where it's never progressed to ownership?

language is terrible

Owned before it was owned

"We have owned this for you."

I will never be owned nor log off, etc

I don't want a pre-owned car... do you have any that are factory-refurbished?

unfortunately the december to remember event does not offer a discount on l/certified vehicles

I have a new one: general social media accounts that say things with the royal we. "we don't deserve dogs". "we are so blessed to have x". speak for your fucking self, general boring instagram meme account!

I like them when comments are enabled, because I delight in responses like "I deserve my dog"

we trolled you haha

I've already accepted FB's rapid descent into "<xx> tells you the correct way to live and any deviations get you the wall"

honestly no one deserves one of my dogs, she is an unbearable shit

In connection with irritating social media memes, I really hate the fake authority and the bloated self-importance of “Ok - let’s do it: let’s have the conversation on x”.

buckle up kiddoes

tbf long threads by specialists are maybe the best thing about twitter but yeah the tone is rly bad sometimes

buckles up. drives to grocery store. unbuckles. buys bread and milk. buckles up again. drives home.

I don't mind threads by specialists. I read quite a few of em.

I mind people who aren't specialists sharing threads by "specialists" and just saying "This!", and then the person they cited turns out not to be an expert and then said poster starts fighting with people who know something about the topic responding critically about the inaccuracies of whatever was shared.

"Pre-" phrases in general bug me bcs the "pre-" is usually redundant. Pre-sliced ham is sliced ham, to pre-heat an oven is to heat it, pre-booking is booking etc etc. Pre-owned is at least an exception to this.

Pre-approved, however, does not mean approved!

pre-heat at least makes some sense because you are heating before putting food in

eliminate unnecessary posts

Aimless trapped in car in home driveway with curdling milk

pre-curdled

Which, tbf, is cottage cheese

I could do with some more pre-posting

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