Artificial intelligence still has some way to go

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z_tbd, Monday, 1 January 2024 17:20 (ten months ago) link

Love it.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 1 January 2024 18:04 (ten months ago) link

hey uh that AI-"completed" Keith Haring is making me want to stab somebody

G. D’Arcy Cheesewright (silby), Wednesday, 3 January 2024 01:39 (ten months ago) link

trolling, still in poor taste, but i do support how theyre turning people against ai

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_fullsize/plain/did:plc:tcqccoco3nogeyxk2jnrxnwk/bafkreibza4727oteww2m43zac7dgt57pmynohkipoullik5zw4lici3l5q@jpeg

lag∞n, Wednesday, 3 January 2024 15:49 (ten months ago) link

i wonder if there was someone somewhere who had never thought of art as any more than a pretty picture who saw that exchange and went hey huh

lag∞n, Wednesday, 3 January 2024 15:53 (ten months ago) link

AI is definitely opening up some brave new frontiers in trolling, I'll give it that

frogbs, Wednesday, 3 January 2024 16:06 (ten months ago) link

no ai instance can have the insight to cross the uncanny valley until it has a real fear of its own death, with the necessary survival priorities also encoded.

digital chirping and whirring (Hunt3r), Wednesday, 3 January 2024 17:14 (ten months ago) link

There's a swath of beloved artists, Haring included, whose usurption by AI bubble doesn't bother me quite so much (if it devalues him as a blue chip tax dodge for billionaires, all the better!) as some of the smaller names on this list:
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cand.407208/gov.uscourts.cand.407208.129.10.pdf

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 3 January 2024 19:10 (ten months ago) link

That is an incredibly disrespectful view toward Haring, a little shocked.

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Thursday, 4 January 2024 12:31 (ten months ago) link

Towards Haring specifically? For me, Haring never resonated beyond a commercially viable aesthetic, so for Midjourney or whatever to copy his style means about as much to me as it copying the Supreme logo -- but whereas with Supreme there's a Barbara Kruger I can feel indignant about Supreme having co-opted, there isn't a version of Haring for me that exists beyond Haring the Brand (TM), but in either case, the damage/erasure was already done before this latest round of cultural stripmining.

Not so for the smaller and still-alive artists.

Philip Nunez, Thursday, 4 January 2024 17:09 (ten months ago) link

Kind of a limited picture of what Haring’s work was when he was alive and what it still stands for cf the Gay Center bathroom

G. D’Arcy Cheesewright (silby), Thursday, 4 January 2024 17:21 (ten months ago) link

Haring was a gay man who was one of the most outspoken and visible AIDS activists in the world at a time when the government was still genociding us through its inaction.

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Thursday, 4 January 2024 17:46 (ten months ago) link

I might just have a disconnect to NYC-based artists in general; Basquiat similarly doesn't evoke artist so much as brand to me, and it doesn't help that the scene and economics of it actively encouraged making those things inextricable.

It's a recurring trope of the (pre-AI-craze) machine consuming and sanitizing provocative and progressive culture and repackaging it as greeting cards, and I sympathize with the idea of using that machine and I'm assuming in Haring's case, packaging it in an accessible aesthetic to propagate an important message -- do you feel it worked?

Philip Nunez, Thursday, 4 January 2024 18:06 (ten months ago) link

haring is great, and that tweet is clearly a troll

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 January 2024 18:39 (ten months ago) link

its heartening that everyone whos not dreaming of getting rich off it finds ai art repulsive

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 January 2024 18:41 (ten months ago) link

Haring, Inc., is in fact the Keith Haring Foundation, which lists the recipients of its funding https://www.haring.com/kh_foundation/grants

G. D’Arcy Cheesewright (silby), Thursday, 4 January 2024 23:17 (ten months ago) link

that's how you know it's getting closer to really working xp

digital chirping and whirring (Hunt3r), Thursday, 4 January 2024 23:19 (ten months ago) link

anyway I've been viciously trolled but I love keith haring

G. D’Arcy Cheesewright (silby), Thursday, 4 January 2024 23:22 (ten months ago) link

I might just have a disconnect to NYC-based artists in general; Basquiat similarly doesn't evoke artist so much as brand to me, and it doesn't help that the scene and economics of it actively encouraged making those things inextricable.

It's a recurring trope of the (pre-AI-craze) machine consuming and sanitizing provocative and progressive culture and repackaging it as greeting cards, and I sympathize with the idea of using that machine and I'm assuming in Haring's case, packaging it in an accessible aesthetic to propagate an important message -- do you feel it worked?


In 1989, Haring established the Keith Haring Foundation to provide funding and imagery to AIDS organizations and children's programs. The foundation's stated goal is to keep his wishes and expand his legacy by providing grants and funding to non-profit organizations that educate disadvantaged youths and inform the public about HIV and AIDS. It also shares his work and contains information about his life. The foundation also supports arts and educational institutions by funding exhibitions, educational programs, and publications. In 2010, The foundation partnered with the AIDS Service Center NYC to open the Keith Haring ASC Harlem Center to provide HIV peer education and access to care services in Harlem.

My friend works for the center in Harlem and another works for the Foundation, and let me tell you that a lot of money flows to good causes through the foundation.

I also think it’s important that Haring began as a graffiti artist, and that he always stayed loyal to those with whom he worked and lived even as his star rose. What you see in terms of the mass market appeal of his work is partly the work of the Foundation, yea, but also part of the fact that the guy basically invented a visual language that is almost universally understood. While I also hate rich art collector scum, I think that it’s a little disrespectful and lazy to simply lump Haring’s work into some sort of tax evasion scheme. It’s powerful work that paved the way for a lot of other interesting art.

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Thursday, 4 January 2024 23:28 (ten months ago) link

I paid $8 for this and it was worth every penny https://t.co/zTzbKEzKGq pic.twitter.com/fHEHtSZR4X

— erin (@ratsnotagain) January 5, 2024

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, 6 January 2024 01:58 (ten months ago) link

There is more.

Oh my god the chorus pic.twitter.com/0gszuW2gqq

— Carl Beijer (@CarlBeijer) January 5, 2024

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 7 January 2024 23:00 (ten months ago) link

Those are terrible imitations of Homer's singing voice. If they weren't labelled as Homer I probably wouldn't recognize the resemblance because it's too 'off'.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Sunday, 7 January 2024 23:26 (ten months ago) link

pff, Zombie is brilliant

assert (matttkkkk), Monday, 8 January 2024 00:21 (ten months ago) link

zombie sounds like it was made from the original track but hey ya doesnt

lag∞n, Monday, 8 January 2024 01:41 (ten months ago) link

This, uh, doesn't seem great?

https://garymarcus.substack.com/p/things-are-about-to-get-a-lot-worse

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 8 January 2024 08:12 (ten months ago) link

omg @ hey ya

kinder, Monday, 8 January 2024 10:42 (ten months ago) link

eh so instead of making shit, all people have to do now is monitor shit AI "makes" to avoid IP infringement. it's a living!

a single gunshot and polite applause (Hunt3r), Monday, 8 January 2024 15:07 (ten months ago) link

This, uh, doesn't seem great?

https://garymarcus.substack.com/p/things-are-about-to-get-a-lot-worse

― Andrew Farrell, Monday, January 8, 2024 3:12 AM (eight hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

what that article seems to be saying is ai as an industry is in big legal jeopardy, which does seem great

lag∞n, Monday, 8 January 2024 16:51 (ten months ago) link

then on the flip side generated works arent copyrightable

lag∞n, Monday, 8 January 2024 16:54 (ten months ago) link

Legal jeopardy only affects entities that are governable by laws.

U.S. law only applies to those entities that operate inside these extremely porous digital borders. "International law" barely exists and has virtually no teeth for enforcement.

Maybe we should have kept hiring people to do stuff. Crazy thought, I know.

And I hate to be a broken record on this topic but my colleagues and friends and I have spent 30ish years putting stuff out there. Mostly with no byline. Either because that was the gig, or because I thought I was serving the public interest by doing so.

Insert DJ Khaled "congratulations, you played yourself" image here.

CthulhuLululemon (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 8 January 2024 17:06 (ten months ago) link

id personally wait until theres any evidence at all that the stuff im worried about is actually happening before making 500 identical posts about it

lag∞n, Monday, 8 January 2024 17:17 (ten months ago) link

It does feel like IP law is a one-way valve to only protect the wicked (e.g. publishers suing archive.org for behaving like a library), but I disagree with DJ Khaled w/r/t you putting stuff out there being a chump move unless it's stuff you didn't want to make in the first place.

Philip Nunez, Monday, 8 January 2024 17:20 (ten months ago) link

i think generative ai of the type thats in all the articles has huge problems with copyright law, server expenses, quality of output, controllability of output, and ick factor

lag∞n, Monday, 8 January 2024 17:25 (ten months ago) link

Yeah I guess I should be worried about being laid off and missing my mortgage payment only after I have been laid off and missed my mortgage payment

CthulhuLululemon (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 8 January 2024 17:29 (ten months ago) link

obvs you can worry about whatever you want thats none of my business

lag∞n, Monday, 8 January 2024 17:57 (ten months ago) link

https://openai.com/blog/openai-and-journalism

seems like a milquetoast response

, Monday, 8 January 2024 18:59 (ten months ago) link

OpenAI lobbying for copyright law revision in the UK ⁦@GaryMarcus⁩ ⁦@jason_kintpic.twitter.com/kug5rCpINT

— Leighton Andrews🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿🇺🇦 (@LeightonAndrews) January 8, 2024

xyzzzz__, Monday, 8 January 2024 19:00 (ten months ago) link

could we make ai that replaces anxiety, so we never have to feel it again?

ꙮ (map), Monday, 8 January 2024 19:03 (ten months ago) link

hope the ai crash doesnt take as long as crypto did and it would be nice to not replace it with another hypecycle after or at least take a little break in between

lag∞n, Monday, 8 January 2024 19:24 (ten months ago) link

If you ask Dall-E for a video game plumber it throws in one Mario you can potentially jerk off to for good measure lol

papal hotwife (milo z), Monday, 8 January 2024 19:32 (ten months ago) link

tbf its prob what a lot of their users are looking for

lag∞n, Monday, 8 January 2024 19:36 (ten months ago) link

speedy blue hedgehog character felching cinematic dramatic lighting HDR

papal hotwife (milo z), Monday, 8 January 2024 19:37 (ten months ago) link

https://bsky.app/profile/kevinbuist.com/post/3kiimjwdeiq2s

lag∞n, Monday, 8 January 2024 20:10 (ten months ago) link

what a world

lag∞n, Tuesday, 9 January 2024 19:44 (ten months ago) link

Best (meaning worst) part of the story is that it didn't just happen once, but involved multiple men.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Tuesday, 9 January 2024 20:01 (ten months ago) link

Congrats to Elon for tricking all the bots to buy bluechecks I guess...

Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 9 January 2024 22:01 (ten months ago) link


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