rolling “Trump is gonna win” containment thread

As to Bernie being older, chronologically yes, but Biden comes across significantly older than either Trump or Bernie, both then and now - which counts for more than actual age I think?

tipsy otm


so what other option do you propose?

why are you discounting his already-proposed “holding primaries” option

I'm less worried than in 2020, I think Biden is going to win this election and serve out 4 more years, and that will be that

is “that” the end of US democracy, or of life on earth, or

Um, primaries are being held. Indeed, there have been several already. There just isn't a serious competitor in them. Rfkjr and Dean Phillips are not viable candidates. Whitmer, Newsom, etc. would have announced long before now if they were going to run.

One can certainly wish Biden had retired graciously. One can certainly wish there had been a plausible challenger. But neither thing has happened, nor will it. It's mildly interesting to think about alternate universes, but we live in this one.

We can do wishcasting, or we can drag sleepy ol' Joe across the finish line one more time.

Newsom is perfect for the Democratic establishment. Like Warren, he is a pseudo-progressive who fundamentally believes in nothing and flip-flops whenever he needs to, and Republicans have been conditioned to hate him for years

Personal attacks are always classy.

Newsom campaigned on a single-payer system for Californians and has spent years trying to backpedal. He’s a joke

Also, Warren is a hawk paid for by AIPAC, but she was a registered Republican for decades, so no one with more than one brain cell should believe a fucking word that comes out of her mouth

Good morning, table! You might as well call me by name if you're as usual going to be cranky in the morning.

I'm not going to re-examine Warren's career, but the person who wrote two books on in part how bankruptcy adversely affects the poor and POC and later raked the Bush and Obama administrations for not splitting up the big banks is not a person whom I'd consider a conservative regardless of party affiliation. Her foreign policy positions as I remember in 2019-2020 struck me at best as unformed and at worse gross.

I officially apologize, beamish.

I just think you apologize too much for these ghouls, Alfred. Whethet Warren has changed or not is immaterial— she can say all she wants and write many more books about breaking up the big banks, but by hoarding wealth (she’s worth a surprising amount!) she is simply talking out of one side of her mouth. The appearance of virtue and principle is not borne out in any sort of reality, the most notable being that she hasn’t achieved many of her goals of breaking up the big banks. Poor people don’t need some rich white wonk in Cambridge to do bad advocacy for them!! AIPAC- funded politicians can go to hell!!

that said, sorry for being cranky. But Warren is not it.

We can do wishcasting, or we can drag sleepy ol' Joe across the finish line one more time.

Think people can very easily do both?

We will drag him as we drag him.

It’s only February and we’re already snarling at each other. 2024, baby!

(Then again, if posters weren’t snarling at each other, it would feel weird, wouldn’t it)

Bernie owns two houses wotta hypocrite

There were differences in her tax plan vs Bernie’s plan— under the latter, she would have been taxed at a rate close to 50%. Under her plan, nope.

She’s a prime example of someone who has totally forgotten where she came from while exploiting those origins to dupe liberals into thinking she’s someone worth voting for.

And don’t get me started on the Indigenous ancestry stuff, which should be enough to disqualify her in any reasonable person’s mind.

Pocahontas amirite?

But tell us how you really feel

I don't know if you and I have the same definition of "reasonable."

Love how ILX is ever-ready to call people out on racist bullshit unless that person is a politician they happen to like.

Pretending to be Indigenous for more than two decades is egregious and totally offensive, and the only reason it didn’t ruin her career is because popular wisdom doesn’t consider Indigenous people as still-existing, and thus Indigenous concerns can be completely disregarded. If she had been pretending to be Jewish for all those years, many on ILX would be up in arms, and rightly so.

But she wasn't "pretending"; she believed she did have Indigenous heritage because that's what her family had told her. (And her DNA test revealed that the family story wasn't entirely baseless.) We can argue about how she chose to wield this claim during her career, but it's disingenuous to suggest that it was outright fraud.

(argh I can't believe we are having this conversation in 2024, I regret taking the bait)

feel like my eyes just rolled into the back of my head

feel like my eyes just rolled into the back of my head

You're not the only one.

i cannot think of anybody who is IT, but as a former warren canvasser, i feel fine saying she is NOT going to be the candidate. that's even more than ok. i wish someone besides biden were, and as importantly, that he or his team had any idea or inclination to have made that done. here we are.

now keep warren's name off of your FILTHY FUCKING TABLE. that's joeks more about me, not you tabes, sorry, and i appreciate your sincerity and clarity.

even after the in joke apology that feels wrong table. i am never funny.

all good Hunt3r.

From a pure electability POV, I used to think Warren would have done better leaning into a "sensible conservative" image, but now I think she should have gone more "macho man randy savage."

well pretty much every candidate would see points go up if they cut things like a wrestling promo.

Biden could bill himself as The Flying Corpse

His social media team did score a lot of points co-opting Dark Brandon which is a wrestling moniker if there ever was one

That is true— his social media team is doing okay

and his own comment about "memory is bad enough to call on you" was pretty live tbh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHrOo59LCas

Re: Warren, The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau - regardless of what you think of it - was something she created, worked hard on, ran, and believed in. So saying she believed in nothing isn't fair.

The indigenous ancestry thing seems like a simple mistake, based on family lore. Not evidence of malice, but a sin of omission (i.e., not looking further into how actual native folks view and conceive of their ancestry.

Despite her flaws she might have been okay if given a chance. As it happens, almost no one did. So it goes.

xp: oh man, the only thing I remember from that era is Obama struggling to straight-face "do you smell what Ba-Rack is cooking?"

re: warren, and also hillary -- they both struck me as essentially small-c conservative in temperament and background so I always thought they should have more crossover appeal with (R) voters, but that never panned out.

Oof Hillary has the same dead-eyed "I've buried my soul in a volcano pit to do this horseshit" look Bob Saget had every week on America's Funniest Home Videos.

xp i was a bernie supporter but warren would have been an excellent president.

i don't think she was knowingly lying about being indigenous. i used to think i was part norwegian and it later turned out i wasn't.

there is no way to replace biden at this point with a candidate that seems legitimate to the voters. it's too late for a primary contest. this is a big problem because biden is definitely senile.

I supported Sanders in 2016, Warren in 2020, then realized her white-lady appeal wasn't going anywhere.

she was right about a lot of things. she has insight into the deep problems in our economy and our political system. it's absurd that someone like that ran, and we ended up with biden as president. he seems like a nice man, but my god this recent press conference.

people who are saying it wasn't that bad are in denial. biden seems like a nice guy but he sounds way older than 81.

the notion that one of these guys is functionally younger than the other one is so fucking delusional. literally any 16 year old person on the planet with two functional arms could beat either of these guys to death. neither of them could run four city blocks without dying. both of them are old, old men, and that's fine, I hope to be one too one day, and you know what I won't be asking you to do when I get there? take me seriously as a person who ought to have a lot of power. we're not the first country to be incredibly ridiculous about this, but with this discussion we are making our bid for being the most ridiculous. it's one thing to install guys ten years past retirement age as premier because you have a weird ass meritocracy. it's another to split hairs about which old ass man is marginally less out-of-it. and yet all my commie buds are carrying water for the trump campaign, senile old biden, yessir he's practically a vegetable, blah fucking blah.

they are old ass men who should sit down, both of them.

biden seems like a nice guy but he sounds way older than 81.

love this btw. can you tell me what an 81 year old sounds like and how this is different from how a 76 year old sounds, or an 84 year old

where did i say that trump sounded better? i have higher expectations for democrats

I'm only 81
But my mind is older

love this btw. can you tell me what an 81 year old sounds like and how this is different from how a 76 year old sounds, or an 84 year old

people of an extremely advanced age tend to move differently and speak differently than people who are just senior citizens. not always. some people have early onset dementia, and we have all known, like, extremely spry octogenarians. biden isn't one of them.

neither is mr. person man camera, and the framing that Biden is somehow more feeble-minded than trump is absurd.

right but trump still swaggers like an asshole which feels “strong” and biden chooses his words, which feels “weak”. this would be true regardless of their ages, but the age thing just accentuates it

scared to vote, scared to run
aint no such thing as halfway octogenarians

Thank u octo

Err anvil.

her white-lady appeal wasn't going anywhere.

but her “old smart school teacher” vibe terrified ex jocks and shitheels ervrywhar. nuff bout that.

I guess a lot of candidate viability is just “identifying highly phobic types/groups and nullifying them.” left or right. distracti them? demoralize them? cleverly buy them?

don’t argue with them, or try to out energize them w your adherents. that cannot work ha.

so applied here, biden bought some by being old and white. and some richies by representing credit and corps in delaware. and maybe pocs by standing next to obama for a minute. and some by having a kid in military.

president infinite venn diagram, with an outlier non-overlap of “elective democracy” losers.

Probably the most relatable things about Biden are forgetting stuff and having an addict kid