rolling “Trump is gonna win” containment thread

xp i was a bernie supporter but warren would have been an excellent president.

i don't think she was knowingly lying about being indigenous. i used to think i was part norwegian and it later turned out i wasn't.

there is no way to replace biden at this point with a candidate that seems legitimate to the voters. it's too late for a primary contest. this is a big problem because biden is definitely senile.

I supported Sanders in 2016, Warren in 2020, then realized her white-lady appeal wasn't going anywhere.

she was right about a lot of things. she has insight into the deep problems in our economy and our political system. it's absurd that someone like that ran, and we ended up with biden as president. he seems like a nice man, but my god this recent press conference.

people who are saying it wasn't that bad are in denial. biden seems like a nice guy but he sounds way older than 81.

the notion that one of these guys is functionally younger than the other one is so fucking delusional. literally any 16 year old person on the planet with two functional arms could beat either of these guys to death. neither of them could run four city blocks without dying. both of them are old, old men, and that's fine, I hope to be one too one day, and you know what I won't be asking you to do when I get there? take me seriously as a person who ought to have a lot of power. we're not the first country to be incredibly ridiculous about this, but with this discussion we are making our bid for being the most ridiculous. it's one thing to install guys ten years past retirement age as premier because you have a weird ass meritocracy. it's another to split hairs about which old ass man is marginally less out-of-it. and yet all my commie buds are carrying water for the trump campaign, senile old biden, yessir he's practically a vegetable, blah fucking blah.

they are old ass men who should sit down, both of them.

biden seems like a nice guy but he sounds way older than 81.

love this btw. can you tell me what an 81 year old sounds like and how this is different from how a 76 year old sounds, or an 84 year old

where did i say that trump sounded better? i have higher expectations for democrats

I'm only 81
But my mind is older

love this btw. can you tell me what an 81 year old sounds like and how this is different from how a 76 year old sounds, or an 84 year old

people of an extremely advanced age tend to move differently and speak differently than people who are just senior citizens. not always. some people have early onset dementia, and we have all known, like, extremely spry octogenarians. biden isn't one of them.

neither is mr. person man camera, and the framing that Biden is somehow more feeble-minded than trump is absurd.

right but trump still swaggers like an asshole which feels “strong” and biden chooses his words, which feels “weak”. this would be true regardless of their ages, but the age thing just accentuates it

scared to vote, scared to run
aint no such thing as halfway octogenarians

Thank u octo

Err anvil.

her white-lady appeal wasn't going anywhere.

but her “old smart school teacher” vibe terrified ex jocks and shitheels ervrywhar. nuff bout that.

I guess a lot of candidate viability is just “identifying highly phobic types/groups and nullifying them.” left or right. distracti them? demoralize them? cleverly buy them?

don’t argue with them, or try to out energize them w your adherents. that cannot work ha.

so applied here, biden bought some by being old and white. and some richies by representing credit and corps in delaware. and maybe pocs by standing next to obama for a minute. and some by having a kid in military.

president infinite venn diagram, with an outlier non-overlap of “elective democracy” losers.

Probably the most relatable things about Biden are forgetting stuff and having an addict kid

hmm yeah, addict kid, kamala vp. wheels inside of wheels venning venning dancing and dancing.

right but trump still swaggers like an asshole which feels “strong” and biden chooses his words, which feels “weak”. this would be true regardless of their ages, but the age thing just accentuates it

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Sunday, February 11, 2024 1:21 PM (forty-three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

trump is also senile. he mixed up nikki haley and nancy pelosi, and not just the names. he criticized nikki haley, while running against her, for being in charge of capital security on january 6.

however, comparing him and biden is apples and oranges. biden is an ordinary man who is old. trump is an unhinged lunatic who acts nothing like a normal person in any way.

like, yesterday trump said that as president he would encourage russia to invade nato members if they don't pay their fair share. i guess it was a "joke"? in any case, the way he presents himself is not in any way comparable to anyone else in public life.

biden is an ordinary man who is old. trump is an unhinged lunatic who acts nothing like a normal person in any way.

ha this is actually exactly the choice.

Just a man
Just an
Ordinary man
Just trying to get by

I have faith America would elect this version over the orange heel if he would just rock the sunglasses and embrace the persona:
https://www.theonion.com/shirtless-biden-washes-trans-am-in-white-house-driveway-1819570732

Just a reminder Trump’s dad lived to 90-something with dementia.

trump is also senile. he mixed up nikki haley and nancy pelosi, and not just the names. he criticized nikki haley, while running against her, for being in charge of capital security on january 6.

― treeship., Sunday, February 11, 2024 1:05 PM (twenty-one minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Trump's brain damage isn't really an issue for the GOP because the GOP is a brain damaged party. I mean "thanks Obama" is still a meme people use in 2024 because the GOP rode it so fucking hard when he was in charge. and this was before Trump even started running (though he was spreading the birther shit at this point). everything was his fault, then it became Hillary's fault, now it's all on Joe. they don't really give a shit because mentally they are basically children, where you blame your little sister for everything that you fucked up. Trump is just the natural extension of this and that's why he gets away with it. he's dumb as shit and gets everything wrong but that is exactly in line with the people who vote GOP.

Why we should just kill off old people (read: anyone over 60)

Never let live anyone over thirty.

I present you with Samuel Moyn, teacher at Yale, fountain of wisdom, and the author of the piece unperson linked:

https://granta.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/Sam-Moyn.jpg

Looks like your average male ILXer in his late '30s.

Flaky quasi-democracy designed to maintain the privilege of the privileged forever behind the smallest conceivable range of dissent is just doing what it's meant to do, but sure the problem is "old people"

xp - Obviously we should treat his opinions with all the deep respect we normally grant to any newly arrived mid-30s ilxor.

Children of the Corn

are we really in our 50s posting "the guy who wrote this looks like THIS" stuff on a message board, is that really where we're at

He doesn’t say that we should kill the old, tho.

Age maxima for political office, mandatory retirement in the professions, forced transfer of property and wealth: all have been proposed as ways to blunt our descent into deeper gerontocracy.


All of these are good ideas, imho.

He doesn’t say that we should kill the old, tho.

No, he just provides about 50 examples of societies in which the old were either killed or encouraged to kill themselves. You draw your own conclusions.

I think it's funny that we can have 10,000 posts about "ugh, Biden is so old, can't we get the old people out of here already?" but the humblest, most modest proposal (to coin a phrase) of "OK, so...pillow over the face?" is greeted with horror and rage.

but sure the problem is "old people"

It's not the problem, but old rich powerful people clinging to power by any means necessary is both a real and a long-recognized problem. We just had a whole award-winning HBO series about it!

mandatory smoking of Lucky Strike cigarettes for all citizens 65 and over! if it was a good enough way for grandpa to die, its good enough for you. something kinda noble about grandpa lying at the end of the driveway with a snow shovel in one hand and a Lucky in the other. rest in power, gramps. we appreciate that we didn't have to take care of you forever.

I like and respect old people. I think that Joe Biden seems too old to serve as president but he could do a lot of other cool stuff.

It’s a moot point anyway. I obviously will vote for him over Trump in November. Just doesn’t seem an optimal situation.

I’m not horrified or filled with rage, I just don’t think he proposes killing old people because he doesn’t.

Do I think the societal obsession with prolonging life more medical advancement has already is ill-founded and foolish? Yes.

Do I think killing old people is the correct response to the situation we’re in? No.

Do I think that a more well-organized and just society would be able to balance respect and social welfare for elders with opportunities for the young? Totally.

These beliefs aren’t contradictory.

Do I think the societal obsession with prolonging life even more than medical advancement has already is ill-founded and foolish? Yes.

People want to accumulate years and money because they are avoiding the harder question of *how* to live

repealing the second amendment is a good idea. eliminating the electoral college is a good idea. capping inheritances is a good idea. returning to the tax rates under the Eisenhower administration is a good idea. reparations for slavery is a good idea. there are plenty of other good ideas out there.

otoh, age maxima for political office is no better as an idea than term limits has turned out to be. mandatory retirement in the professions doesn't address gerontocracy because where is the recognizable age-based imbalance of power in "the professions"? forced transfer of property and wealth based on age is pointless; what's required is a cap on the accumulation of property and wealth at any age.

Flaky quasi-democracy designed to maintain the privilege of the privileged forever behind the smallest conceivable range of dissent is just doing what it's meant to do, but sure the problem is "old people"

NV otm

Climate change is killing the 'send the old people out onto the ice floe' industry.

Like the silicon valley dream of “digital immortality” is obviously a nightmare. You have to think about what kind of person wouldn’t see that. This is actually an interesting topic. Sort of tangential to biden’s age and boomer wealth hoarding but related.

Xps

he could do a lot of other cool stuff.

why start now

he could build all the houses like that peanut-eating motherfucker with the drunk brother.

I think Biden's best move at this stage would be to select a new VP running mate that's reasonably popular, youngish, and reassuring, so that if anything happened to Biden in the next four years most people would feel comfortable with the veep running the country.