rolling “Trump is gonna win” containment thread

I have faith America would elect this version over the orange heel if he would just rock the sunglasses and embrace the persona:
https://www.theonion.com/shirtless-biden-washes-trans-am-in-white-house-driveway-1819570732

Just a reminder Trump’s dad lived to 90-something with dementia.

trump is also senile. he mixed up nikki haley and nancy pelosi, and not just the names. he criticized nikki haley, while running against her, for being in charge of capital security on january 6.

― treeship., Sunday, February 11, 2024 1:05 PM (twenty-one minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Trump's brain damage isn't really an issue for the GOP because the GOP is a brain damaged party. I mean "thanks Obama" is still a meme people use in 2024 because the GOP rode it so fucking hard when he was in charge. and this was before Trump even started running (though he was spreading the birther shit at this point). everything was his fault, then it became Hillary's fault, now it's all on Joe. they don't really give a shit because mentally they are basically children, where you blame your little sister for everything that you fucked up. Trump is just the natural extension of this and that's why he gets away with it. he's dumb as shit and gets everything wrong but that is exactly in line with the people who vote GOP.

Why we should just kill off old people (read: anyone over 60)

Never let live anyone over thirty.

I present you with Samuel Moyn, teacher at Yale, fountain of wisdom, and the author of the piece unperson linked:

https://granta.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/Sam-Moyn.jpg

Looks like your average male ILXer in his late '30s.

Flaky quasi-democracy designed to maintain the privilege of the privileged forever behind the smallest conceivable range of dissent is just doing what it's meant to do, but sure the problem is "old people"

xp - Obviously we should treat his opinions with all the deep respect we normally grant to any newly arrived mid-30s ilxor.

Children of the Corn

are we really in our 50s posting "the guy who wrote this looks like THIS" stuff on a message board, is that really where we're at

He doesn’t say that we should kill the old, tho.

Age maxima for political office, mandatory retirement in the professions, forced transfer of property and wealth: all have been proposed as ways to blunt our descent into deeper gerontocracy.


All of these are good ideas, imho.

He doesn’t say that we should kill the old, tho.

No, he just provides about 50 examples of societies in which the old were either killed or encouraged to kill themselves. You draw your own conclusions.

I think it's funny that we can have 10,000 posts about "ugh, Biden is so old, can't we get the old people out of here already?" but the humblest, most modest proposal (to coin a phrase) of "OK, so...pillow over the face?" is greeted with horror and rage.

but sure the problem is "old people"

It's not the problem, but old rich powerful people clinging to power by any means necessary is both a real and a long-recognized problem. We just had a whole award-winning HBO series about it!

mandatory smoking of Lucky Strike cigarettes for all citizens 65 and over! if it was a good enough way for grandpa to die, its good enough for you. something kinda noble about grandpa lying at the end of the driveway with a snow shovel in one hand and a Lucky in the other. rest in power, gramps. we appreciate that we didn't have to take care of you forever.

I like and respect old people. I think that Joe Biden seems too old to serve as president but he could do a lot of other cool stuff.

It’s a moot point anyway. I obviously will vote for him over Trump in November. Just doesn’t seem an optimal situation.

I’m not horrified or filled with rage, I just don’t think he proposes killing old people because he doesn’t.

Do I think the societal obsession with prolonging life more medical advancement has already is ill-founded and foolish? Yes.

Do I think killing old people is the correct response to the situation we’re in? No.

Do I think that a more well-organized and just society would be able to balance respect and social welfare for elders with opportunities for the young? Totally.

These beliefs aren’t contradictory.

Do I think the societal obsession with prolonging life even more than medical advancement has already is ill-founded and foolish? Yes.

People want to accumulate years and money because they are avoiding the harder question of *how* to live

repealing the second amendment is a good idea. eliminating the electoral college is a good idea. capping inheritances is a good idea. returning to the tax rates under the Eisenhower administration is a good idea. reparations for slavery is a good idea. there are plenty of other good ideas out there.

otoh, age maxima for political office is no better as an idea than term limits has turned out to be. mandatory retirement in the professions doesn't address gerontocracy because where is the recognizable age-based imbalance of power in "the professions"? forced transfer of property and wealth based on age is pointless; what's required is a cap on the accumulation of property and wealth at any age.

Flaky quasi-democracy designed to maintain the privilege of the privileged forever behind the smallest conceivable range of dissent is just doing what it's meant to do, but sure the problem is "old people"

NV otm

Climate change is killing the 'send the old people out onto the ice floe' industry.

Like the silicon valley dream of “digital immortality” is obviously a nightmare. You have to think about what kind of person wouldn’t see that. This is actually an interesting topic. Sort of tangential to biden’s age and boomer wealth hoarding but related.

Xps

he could do a lot of other cool stuff.

why start now

he could build all the houses like that peanut-eating motherfucker with the drunk brother.

I think Biden's best move at this stage would be to select a new VP running mate that's reasonably popular, youngish, and reassuring, so that if anything happened to Biden in the next four years most people would feel comfortable with the veep running the country.

As poor judgment as I think Biden has shown in seeking a second term, dumping Kamala would be even worse imo. I know she's also not very popular, but she does have kind of a base and also the optics of old-white-man-dumps-woman-of-color would be double plus ungood.

Biden's dumped the unpopular and impossible on her, pretty sure a VP who could stand apart from Biden (or have been in position to replace him this year) was never a goal of his team.

Probably a separate containment thread needed for 'Biden scrapes victory, Trump runs again in 2028 even more deranged and debilitated, beats young Democrat woman'.

i was sorta ready to be ok+ w kamala but was bummed when i found her to have like, the opposite of charisma, at least to me. but agreed, no do-overs from here. yeah i know others have plenty more substantial objs.

the best thing would be for biden to dump harris for someone better and then find someone better to run for president as well.

Hunter Biden 2024

lol *flag* double substitution

You might have preferred to drink a beer with George W Bush over Al Gore but surely you'd rather do rails with Hunter than Trump.

if dems had a bench allowing for rotation while still competing in both league and cups then there'd not be any discussion but alas

I'd do rails with Trump! I mean, I might die, but he definitely would.

one has to choose a medium to which he is prisoner. your death match is by... hamberder.

or kfc and sundry others. there is some room, some room.

From the outside, it looked pretty clear that the 2020 Democratic party decided "we've tried something other than the usual mold three times now and it worked twice and failed once, so we are never trying that again for another generation"

I guess by that you mean running a woman candidate, and I agree. I think women should run the entire world but am not expecting to see a woman US president in my limited remaining lifetime

If Harris became president by circumstance I would not be disappointed

Dan otm

anyone got some cool posi stuff to post about Biden re Rafah?

sic, calm down, he’s “deeply concerned.”

Not so much a joke as an excuse to post one of my favorite songs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_bvjwf-tlo

bump

give me something, a single example, of any real world consequence that this guy has suffered in the last 8 years

He had to pay $25 million or something after that Trump University fraud?

fines don't count, he can easily pay them (so far) by scamming his fanatics for money as has been well documented, and the fines obviously have not affected his lifestyle in any way

and the "can't do business in NY" thing is pending appeal, so....

at least Rand Paul got his ass kicked by his neighbor, where is this patriot when we need him