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The goons at Kerem Shalom are not going to stop the IDF from doing as it pleases.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 02:19 (one year ago)

thanks for the recommendations

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 14:57 (one year ago)

anera looks good

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 14:58 (one year ago)

jfc

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/02/10/gaza-aid-blockade-protest-kerem-shalom/

symsymsym, Tuesday, 13 February 2024 15:53 (one year ago)

Israeli minister blocking flour Bibi promised Biden would be allowed into Gaza: https://www.axios.com/2024/02/13/israel-gaza-flour-shipment

imagine what the UNRWA could do with all that flour, chilling

rob, Tuesday, 13 February 2024 18:49 (one year ago)

The teens, and a smattering of people in their 20s, have come from all over Israel. They say that humanitarian aid to Gaza helps Hamas, and they’ll block it even if it means innocents starve.

Ben Shabat argues sugar and flour can be used to make bombs. “When you mix flour with potassium nitrate you get an explosive for a warhead,” he says. “Every pound of sugar and flour that goes into Gaza from Israel, we will get it back by the way of a rocket that will kill our children.”

The tactic is also about starvation. “When a soldier is hungry, he’s not fighting so well.”

And the children? “Nobody can say children are bad,” he says. But “the children from the past were murdering and raping and kidnapping” on Oct. 7.

Others say the aid isn’t even necessary.

“We heard they are giving them stuff that they don’t really, really need,” Attar says. “Like strawberries. I don’t think people there are crying for strawberries.”

mookieproof, Tuesday, 13 February 2024 19:39 (one year ago)

I hadn't read the WaPo story before posting, fucking hell

rob, Tuesday, 13 February 2024 19:53 (one year ago)

would the official diplomatic world reaction be any different if israel were using tactical nukes

mookieproof, Wednesday, 14 February 2024 01:36 (one year ago)

Young Israelis sounding awfully Hitler Youth there, tbrh.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Wednesday, 14 February 2024 02:47 (one year ago)

That’s what happens when you build a ethno-fascist state based on subjugation of another group of people

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Wednesday, 14 February 2024 03:04 (one year ago)

I keep thinking about how Jewish tradition includes all these rituals dedicated to reminding Jews of their traumatic history, when they were oppressed, killed, driven out of their homes, thousands of years ago. Every year, even non-observant Jews will tell the Haggadah etc. I can't help thinking that what's happening now is similarly traumatic and existential for Palestinians. That if they survive as a people at all, they will be telling stories about this time, in ritualised form perhaps, for hundreds of years. Or thousands.

Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 14 February 2024 09:18 (one year ago)

Well, they already have that, the Nakba, or "ongoing Nakba" as it was already updated in the late 90s. Maybe the "ongoing, intensifying Nakba" now ? :(

Nabozo, Wednesday, 14 February 2024 09:36 (one year ago)

Yeah you're right, I mean it's a continuum I guess

Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 14 February 2024 09:51 (one year ago)

Haunting post from Mohammad Elhelo, one of only 2 journalists left in Khan Younis, posted as Israeli occupation forces storm the besieged Nasser hospital amid reports of executions and the order for thousands to evacuate.

“Forgive us and pray for us. Remember us fondly.” pic.twitter.com/RWgND5Dlf8

— Laila Al-Arian (@LailaAlarian) February 14, 2024

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 14 February 2024 12:23 (one year ago)

Netanyahu Jr. partying down in Florida

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13076037/Benjamin-Netanyahu-son-Yair-Florida-apartment-Israel-war-Hamas-Gaza.html

Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 15 February 2024 01:23 (one year ago)

I keep thinking about how Jewish tradition includes all these rituals dedicated to reminding Jews of their traumatic history, when they were oppressed, killed, driven out of their homes, thousands of years ago. Every year, even non-observant Jews will tell the Haggadah etc. I can't help thinking that what's happening now is similarly traumatic and existential for Palestinians. That if they survive as a people at all, they will be telling stories about this time, in ritualised form perhaps, for hundreds of years. Or thousands.

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, February 14, 2024 4:18 AM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

IMO this is why Israel is so dedicated to denying and/or destroying Palestinian identity, betting that if they keep killing Palestinians and destroying their homes, they will have to leave and mix into the populations of other countries.

Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Thursday, 15 February 2024 16:45 (one year ago)

a diaspora, if you will

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 15 February 2024 17:15 (one year ago)

sure, but a lot of ethnic groups have been displaced, genocided, etc. over the past few thousand years, and I'm not sure how many have held on to a collective identity in diaspora.

Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Thursday, 15 February 2024 17:20 (one year ago)

I mean maybe but I don't think this reversal thing really works. It doesn't explain why Israel vacated Gaza in 2005 or accounts for Egyptian and Jordanian occupation of regions previously considered disputed.

felicity, Thursday, 15 February 2024 17:25 (one year ago)

sure, but a lot of ethnic groups have been displaced, genocided, etc. over the past few thousand years, and I'm not sure how many have held on to a collective identity in diaspora.

Palestinians: the new Roma?

Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Thursday, 15 February 2024 17:36 (one year ago)

https://www.palestine-studies.org/en/node/1655161?

Little has changed since Edward Said argued, in the aftermath of the Israeli invasion of Lebanon, that Palestinians have been denied the “permission to narrate.” According to him, the privileging of a “Western master narrative, highlighting Jewish alienation and redemption” erases the Palestinian understanding of reality, where the struggle for liberation is far from over. In this sense, the epistemic privilege accorded to the Israeli state and its institutions through its epistemicide of Palestinians plays a role in legitimizing it in the eyes of those more powerful than it.

Therefore, in attempting to resist the genocide of Palestinians in Gaza and across the entirety of historic Palestine, it is absolutely vital to recognize and push back against epistemicide in all of its forms. Rana Barakat asserts the importance of centering Palestinian Indigenous sovereignty, resistance, and endurance within analyses of Israel's settler colonial project. It is crucial to add here that recognizing Palestinians not just as narrators of history but as producers of knowledge within the context of the land of Historic Palestine and the experiences of Palestinian people all over the world pushes back against the Israeli state's attempts to solidify its epistemic privilege through escalating its epistemicide.

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Friday, 16 February 2024 22:01 (one year ago)

New polls indicate 71% of Israelis support expansion of the war into Lebanon.

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Friday, 16 February 2024 22:03 (one year ago)

jfc

Cow_Art, Friday, 16 February 2024 22:07 (one year ago)

Haaretz has published (in Hebrew, not English) an incomprehensibly vile article in the style of a lifestyle cooking feature, about Israel's soldiers finding and cooking with ingredients in the kitchens of Gazans who had to flee their homes and are now starving. pic.twitter.com/peOvTQm2cF

— gawanmac 🇵🇸 (@gawanmac) February 13, 2024

There's a lot to say about a start-up culture that continually innovates new grotesques. A telling part of the article comes at the end, where it's revealed that although most people fail escape rooms, this one is rigged so that the Israelis never lose https://t.co/HEBEkNRLTi pic.twitter.com/T5mhJhG84a

— David Grossman (@davidgross_man) February 15, 2024

mookieproof, Friday, 16 February 2024 23:52 (one year ago)

what in the shit https://jewishcurrents.org/the-gamified-occupation

symsymsym, Saturday, 17 February 2024 03:23 (one year ago)

Rami Igra, previously head of the Captive & Missing Division in the Mossad, says there are no uninvolved civilians in Gaza over the age of four, the "humane" Kan reporter Ayala Hasson agrees but clarifies that the 0-4 year old children are innocent and deserve humanitarian aid. pic.twitter.com/y1NtMoJtpW

— B.M. (@ireallyhateyou) February 14, 2024

JoeStork, Saturday, 17 February 2024 17:45 (one year ago)

that would explain this utterly horrifying part of a harrowing editorial by an American doctor who volunteered in a Rafah hospital:

I stopped keeping track of how many new orphans I had operated on. After surgery they would be filed somewhere in the hospital, I’m unsure of who will take care of them or how they will survive. On one occasion, a handful of children, all about ages 5 to 8, were carried to the emergency room by their parents. All had single sniper shots to the head. These families were returning to their homes in Khan Yunis, about 2.5 miles away from the hospital, after Israeli tanks had withdrawn. But the snipers apparently stayed behind. None of these children survived.

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2024-02-16/rafah-gaza-hospitals-surgery-israel-bombing-ground-offensive-children

rob, Saturday, 17 February 2024 18:25 (one year ago)

https://theintercept.com/2024/02/17/joe-biden-rafah-israel-gaza-bombs/

As the conservative death toll in Gaza nears 30,000 — with more than 13,000 children confirmed dead — the White House spin doctors are worried about the 2024 U.S. election. They are desperately trying to project a public image of compassion for the people of Gaza and to sell the public on the idea that Biden has reached the end of his patience with his great friend of nearly 50 years, Benjamin Netanyahu. Confronted with a disastrous series of public statements by Biden where he claimed to have recently met with long-deceased world leaders and a special counsel’s assertions about his mental acumen, the president’s re-election campaign has been thrust into a scramble to stabilize their public narrative.

Since the International Court of Justice formally ruled that South Africa’s genocide suit against Israel should proceed and issued a series of emergency orders directing Israel not to engage in genocidal actions, Tel Aviv has intensified its military operations, laying siege to hospitals and bombing civilian sites as it prepares for a possible full-scale ground invasion of Rafah. The city, which is on the border with Egypt and has been subjected to intense Israeli bombardment in recent days, creating an unsecured 25-square-mile death cage in which 1.4 million Palestinians are now trapped — after being told by Israel to flee there for safety.
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It is possible — given the world of crass, cynical politics that permeates Washington — that the Biden administration views opportunity in the Rafah situation. If Netanyahu proceeds against the White House’s stated position, it could potentially offer Biden an opportunity to escalate the spin campaign at the heart of the monthslong drama about supposedly “losing patience” with Netanyahu. This, in turn, would help reenforce the fictitious story the president’s reelection campaign has been crafting: Biden did everything to support Israel’s right to self- defense, but he will draw a line when Netanyahu wants to take it too far. On the other hand, history is a strong guide and suggests Biden will support an Israeli ground campaign with some expression of disappointment over tactics, while also claiming victory in convincing Israel to protect civilians. The White House has regularly given itself credit for encouraging Israel to be a bit less murdery in its operations, even as the Israeli military continues to kill large numbers of Palestinian civilians.

A recent U.S. intelligence estimate indicated that Israel’s current weapons stockpiles only enables it to wage war against Gaza for an additional 19 weeks, unless Washington sends more ammunition. The fact that Biden has outright refused to use his leverage as Israel’s arms dealer is a stark indication that the occasional public platitudes, offered by U.S. officials and numerous media leaks about Biden’s mounting frustration with Netanyahu, are little more than a re-election campaign ploy.

Whatever “off-ramp” Biden world eventually chooses to extricate himself politically from the Gaza war will never obviate the innumerable moments over the past 134 days when Israel’s murderous actions could have provided an instant justification to threaten to end military support and weapons sales to Israel. There has been a deliberate and conscious choice by Biden and company to keep the munitions flowing even as the massacres continue in full view of the world. The president was warned very early on in the war by Arab and Muslim leaders in the U.S. that his support for a gratuitous Israeli war against civilians would cost him politically, and he chose to stay the course in his fueling of Israel’s mass killing campaign.

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Whatever happens in the November election, it should never be forgotten that it was Biden, not those Americans who oppose Israel’s war and the U.S. facilitation of it, that bolstered Trump’s chances. That is entirely on Biden and the Democratic Party establishment.

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Saturday, 17 February 2024 22:17 (one year ago)

Just pasting that last sentence again:

Whatever happens in the November election, it should never be forgotten that it was Biden, not those Americans who oppose Israel’s war and the U.S. facilitation of it, that bolstered Trump’s chances. That is entirely on Biden and the Democratic Party establishment.

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Saturday, 17 February 2024 22:17 (one year ago)

Notice how much bigger these protests are than the ones in Israel specifically against the threatened onslaught against Rafah. Most Israelis don't oppose the actual effects of the war against Gaza, they oppose the government's incompetence and its poor optics. https://t.co/IHYRUZd8Fg

— Séamus Malekafzali (@Seamus_Malek) February 17, 2024

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 17 February 2024 23:30 (one year ago)

I don’t understand the point of Tweets like that. Collective punishment of Gaza is bad but Israelis should be held collectively responsible for the actions of their government? Pro-Israel propagandists are all the time “no one is innocent in Gaza they can overthrow Hamas anytime.” Why should our side use the same argument?

B. Amato (Boring, Maryland), Sunday, 18 February 2024 01:05 (one year ago)

Israelis do have the option of a non-violent transfer of power available to them

symsymsym, Sunday, 18 February 2024 01:15 (one year ago)

The point of tweets like that is to point out the depravity of the Israeli citizenry.

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Sunday, 18 February 2024 01:19 (one year ago)

“We don’t like the optics that the government is putting out, but we don’t mind ethnic cleansing.” Sorry, that’s depraved!

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Sunday, 18 February 2024 01:20 (one year ago)

Israelis should be held collectively responsible for the actions of their government

They elect the governments that carry out the actions (the non-Netanyahu government would be indistinguishable aside from perhaps being more competent in carrying out genocide). A quarter of the population of Israel are foreign-born - even accounting for children, that's a significant chunk of the population that chose to emigrate. They mostly acquiesce to military conscription.

Yes, citizens of liberal democracies share some collective burden and responsibility for the actions of the government.

papal hotwife (milo z), Sunday, 18 February 2024 01:38 (one year ago)

The point of tweets like that is to point out the depravity of the Israeli citizenry.


Language like this about anyone gives me the heebie jeebies.

B. Amato (Boring, Maryland), Sunday, 18 February 2024 01:53 (one year ago)

Look at the polls— an overwhelming majority of Israelis approve of the current war, 71% approve of expanding the war to Lebanon.

What gives me the heebie-jeebies is that a lot of Westerners refuse to accept that Israel is an ethno-fascist, white supremacist state and that it is replicating tactics most famously used by the Nazis, as well as other totalitarian regimes.

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Sunday, 18 February 2024 02:08 (one year ago)

Israel is an ethno-fascist, white supremacist state

Your larger point (with which I agree) aside...are Israelis white? I think that's kind of a fraught issue. I don't know if the majority of white Americans consider Israelis white, and consequently I don't know if Israel is "white supremacist" in the same way as apartheid South Africa or pre-1965 Mississippi. In that skin color isn't the determining factor behind social privilege — religion is. So their fascism is closer to the Hindu fascism of Modi's India.

Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Sunday, 18 February 2024 02:40 (one year ago)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Israel

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Sunday, 18 February 2024 02:42 (one year ago)

Collective punishment of Gaza is bad but Israelis should be held collectively responsible for the actions of their government?

gazans being straight-up murdered for being gazan is subtly different from israelis being 'blamed' for the actions of their government

i.e. the latter are still alive

mookieproof, Sunday, 18 February 2024 05:54 (one year ago)

Pro-Israel propagandists are all the time “no one is innocent in Gaza they can overthrow Hamas anytime.” Why should our side use the same argument?

― B. Amato (Boring, Maryland), Sunday, 18 February 2024 bookmarkflaglink

Israelis do have the option of a non-violent transfer of power available to them

― symsymsym, Sunday, 18 February 2024 bookmarkflaglink

There is that. But the person writing the tweet might be thinking of the very small protests against the war in general, as opposed to the anti-Netanyahu ones.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 18 February 2024 15:49 (one year ago)

Dudes, I get that Israelis are overwhelmingly in favor of the war. Also Likud's base is largely Middle Eastern Mizrahi Jews so not sure if they code white. I'm not arguing against that the Israeli government/army is committing genocide, and that many Israeli people support that. I'm arguing against dehumanizing the enemy no matter who they are. Israeli people are doing depraved things but calling them, as people, depraved, is the same language we deplore when used against Palestinians. And I don't place the responsibility for Greg Abbott's actions on Milo because he lives in Texas.

B. Amato (Boring, Maryland), Sunday, 18 February 2024 17:52 (one year ago)

Well said.

It gives me the creeps hearing this kind of talk "even accounting for children." Especially from white American men living on stolen land who have no intention of ceding their own privileges.

felicity, Sunday, 18 February 2024 18:13 (one year ago)

xp You should, however place some responsibility for Greg Abbott's actions on Texans, given that he was democratically elected with 55% of the vote.

papal hotwife (milo z), Sunday, 18 February 2024 18:45 (one year ago)

Texans, as a distinct class or set of individuals, did not give Greg Abbott the governorship. The distinct and numerable set of individuals who voted for Greg Abbott did so. You may dismiss this as quibbling, but it is true according to the logic of categories and also happens to reflect reality far more exactly. Your statement includes a huge number of the wrong people.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Sunday, 18 February 2024 19:19 (one year ago)

I get that Israelis are overwhelmingly in favor of the war...I'm not arguing against that the Israeli government/army is committing genocide, and that many Israeli people support that.

but these are the points the tweet you were objecting to was making

symsymsym, Sunday, 18 February 2024 19:44 (one year ago)

ftr I agree you should not dehumanize a people or call them as a group depraved, even when the overwhelming majority of them are enthusiastically cheering on atrocities

symsymsym, Sunday, 18 February 2024 19:47 (one year ago)

from what I read and hear the Israeli media diet assiduously avoids the human cost of their war:

What is not especially visible on Israeli television is the unrelenting horror of Palestinian suffering in Gaza, where more than twenty-three thousand people have been killed in three months, and an estimated 1.9 million have been displaced. Only rarely do Israelis see what the rest of the world sees: the corpses of Palestinian children wrapped in sheets by a mass grave; widespread hunger and disease; schools and houses, apartment blocks and mosques, reduced to rubble; people fleeing from one place to the next, on foot, on donkey carts, three to a bicycle, all the time knowing that there is no real refuge from mortal danger. Gaza is a presence on Israeli television mainly through the dispatches of reporters embedded with the I.D.F. And they tend to emphasize the experience of Israeli soldiers—their missions, their clashes with Hamas fighters, the search for hostages, the crisp pronouncements of generals and officials helicoptering in from Jerusalem.

A disregard for the suffering in Gaza is hardly limited to reactionary ministers or far-right commentators. Ben Caspit, the author of a biography critical of Netanyahu, recently posted that he felt no compunction about concentrating on the home front. “Why should we turn our attention [to Gaza]?” he wrote. “They’ve earned that hell fairly, and I don’t have a milligram of empathy.” When I asked Caspit about this, he replied that he was “pro-humanitarian aid” and a lifelong “peacenik,” but insisted that there had been, until October 7th, a “ceasefire” with Hamas. And then, he said, they “crossed the border, came to our villages to loot, to rape, to kill, and to kidnap. So, as an Israeli, it’s difficult for me to feel sorry now during this war while we are going on burying five and seven soldiers a day.” He did not care about Gaza in “exactly the same way that the British did not care about the Germans in World War Two and the Americans about the Japanese,” he went on. “We were forced into this situation. We did not initiate it. On the contrary, we initiated peace.” His is a common sentiment among Israelis.

“You do see Gaza on TV, but not enough,” Ilana Dayan, the longtime host of “Uvda” (“Fact”), a kind of Israeli “60 Minutes,” told me one evening over coffee in Tel Aviv. Dayan, who has aired countless reports critical of the Israeli government and military, allowed that a patriotic tone has overtaken much of what appears on the air. “And when I come home and I say, ‘We have to know more,’ it’s hard for them to care. We know our audiences are impatient with any kind of deviation from the mainstream. We interview people about October 7th—we are stuck on October 7th—and, after those atrocities, we too often, understandably, lack the empathy to see what is happening on the other side of the border. As an Israeli, I felt so, too. As a reporter, I feel that we have to tell Israelis about the price being paid in Gaza.”

When Palestinian citizens of Israel, who make up twenty per cent of the population, voice their political sentiments on social media, the result can be harassment, doxing, or even a visit from the authorities. Many are repulsed by what they are seeing on Israeli television, in the light of what has appeared on media outlets based in the Arab world. “I can’t stomach it,” Diana Buttu, a human-rights lawyer who was once a negotiator for the Palestine Liberation Organization, told me. She lives in Haifa, a mixed city on the northern coast. “Palestinians are so dehumanized. They are not people. There is no sense of what it means that twenty thousand are dead, half of them kids. It’s only ‘We have to get Hamas.’ My neighbors in Haifa don’t see or comprehend what is being done in their name.”

symsymsym, Sunday, 18 February 2024 19:54 (one year ago)

I get that Israeli mainstream newspapers, TV and radio would be obscuring what is happening in Gaza but surely most Israelis have internet and are able to get something more about what's unfolding.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 18 February 2024 20:39 (one year ago)


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