Israel/Palestine post 10/7 - follow-on events/thoughts as relate to other countries

“I think … some of these protesters are spontaneous and organic and sincere,” Pelosi said. “Some, I think, are connected to Russia. And I say that having looked at this for a long time now, as you know.”

When pressed on whether she believed some of the demonstrators were “Russian plants,” Ms. Pelosi said: “Seeds or plants. I think some financing should be investigated. And I want to ask the F.B.I. to investigate that.”

She also said the people protesting outside of her house were "praising Hamas."

She's a real nice lady.

But I guess "Everyone who disagrees with me is a foreign op" is standard politics now

God just die already lady

https://www.npr.org/2024/02/25/1233810136/fire-man-israeli-embassy-washington

“As of Monday morning, NPR was not able to independently verify the man's motives.”

Jeesus effing christ NPR

Our film “No Other Land” on occupied Masafer Yatta’s brutal expulsion won best documentary in Berlinale. Israel’s channel 11 aired this 30 second segment from my speech, insanely called it “anti semitic” - and I’ve been receiving death threats since. I stand behind every word. pic.twitter.com/2burPfZeKO

— Yuval Abraham יובל אברהם (@yuval_abraham) February 25, 2024

Yeah, Pelosi’s thing was “go back to China, where your headquarters is” to a protestors outside her house on Oct 29th.

https://sfstandard.com/2024/01/30/nancy-pelosi-go-back-to-china-protest-code-pink/

Longtime viewers will remember that she also made her own flight to Taiwan in mid-2022 to aggravate Chinese relations and because liberal anti-communism will never die.

I think it's everyone's dream to start a war before they die

That Yuval Abraham speech is right on. Honestly can't understand what grounds there would be to call anything in it anti-semitic.

A friend posted this on IG. I agree with him 100%.

"Most people are getting their news about Gaza from mainstream media. Among many other problems, this means near-total ignorance of a crucial aspect of this conflict. Israel is not merely murdering thousands upon thousands of Palestinians, and starving them, and destroying their homes and hospitals and schools and archives, and poisoning the wells and the land itself. Israel is doing all this and very very publicly rejoicing in it, reveling, celebrating, taking a grotesque collective joy in this horror.

Imagine if the Abu Ghraib photographs, rather than being leaked, had been shared by US soldiers on social media with millions of people. And that they'd shared thousands more pictures just like them. And that an enormous percentage of the American public had eaten them up and shared them and begged for more. And that US politicians and celebrities had then gone on TV and social media and hailed the soldiers for their work, and declared their satisfaction and personal glee in seeing such images. That is what's happening with Israel now."

Summary on where we're at, one month on.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/02/26/israel-not-complying-world-court-order-genocide-case

Seems pretty thorough on settlements and connections to the US

"The Hebrew term “yishuv” (residential community) is often used by settlement supporters to erase the distinction between “hitnakhlut” (settlements) and towns in Israel proper. “The most sought-after, vital and literally life-saving item for defending the Yishuvim is a drone equipped with a thermal camera that detects approaching terrorists at night,” Gordon wrote. Supporters could donate online or write a check to Israel Empowered, a New York-based charity."

What a way to live.

https://newlinesmag.com/reportage/a-fanatical-israeli-settlement-is-funded-by-new-york-suburbanites/

since this went viral people have raised $93k for him to build a life on his release. solidarity is so beautiful 😭 https://t.co/QqLdHKnQnz

— she/hererzade (@tubbsOreally) February 28, 2024

Ooop! A Zio-fascist reporter with no experience made it all up!

https://theintercept.com/2024/02/28/new-york-times-anat-schwartz-october-7/

I've been reading that slowly all day. This is deeply irreparably shameful and credibility-shredding for the NYT, an absolutely deranged way to handle such a sensitive topic

amazing. their response to this is to launch an investigation...into who leaked to the Intercept:
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/new-york-times-israel-gaza-leak

Sandberg was also quoted attacking women’s rights organizations in a December 4 New York Times article, headlined “What We Know About Sexual Violence During the Oct. 7 Attacks on Israel” and whose publication coincided with the launch of the PR campaign at the U.N. The article, also reported by Gettleman, Schwartz, and Sella, relied on claims made by Israeli officials and acknowledged the Times had not yet been able to corroborate the allegations. A revealing correction was subsequently appended to the story: “An earlier version of this article misstated the kind of evidence Israeli police have gathered in investigating accusations of sexual violence committed on Oct. 7 in the attack by Hamas against Israel. The police are relying mainly on witness testimony, not on autopsies or forensic evidence.”

ffs

every few months there's some new scandal about appallingly bad editorial or administrative decisions made by management at the new york times and they somehow still stay afloat thanks to the largely anonymous work of a world class puzzle team

— lauren (@Very__Regular) February 29, 2024

Just depraved contortions.

The NYT's problem connecting certain verbs to particular nouns in Palestine is reaching brutally absurd heights. pic.twitter.com/eR55CIeRCH

— Daniel Denvir (@DanielDenvir) March 1, 2024

The phrase “a chaotic incident” compresses into three words the liberal method: allude to the complexity of the world not in order to confront reality, but to evade it

— Benjamin Kunkel (@kunktation) February 29, 2024

that nyt headline is absolutely ghoulish

The EU has announced it will reinstate funding to UNRWA after having suspended it due to Israels allegations (for which they provided zero evidence) pic.twitter.com/P5Dya8awVj

— Saul Staniforth (@SaulStaniforth) March 1, 2024

The Washington Post headline this morning calls it "Chaotic Aid Delivery in Gaza Turns Deadly", which is infuriating since the Post news (as opposed to editorial) section has been consistently better than the Times on Gaza.

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:yhwb4flopeavzkwbybtojo2s/bafkreicxw3oen2savtlewx4b3okm5kf5nhkrucn5z2yg3mryi7gewbb6iu@jpeg

when the WSJ can say what you will not

This game is so absurd because it's evident to anyone with a brain that Israel is completely responsible for the entire situation no matter how much one-sided wait-and-see you want to do on who shot whom: the lack of food and water, the destruction of infrastructure, the slowing of aid deliveries, the false accusations against UNRWA and subsequent defunding, the base hunger and desperation of the Palestinians who are being mundanely bombed in Rafah when they're not being gunned down in headline-grabbing fashion. Even if you want to call it "chaos" or "disaster" it's chaos and disaster *deliberately* caused by Israel as part of a campaign of unambiguous genocide. What kind of false alibi is even being put forward here?

It's the Who Concert alibi as far as I've seen

the headlines may be different, but the opening sentences largely the same

agreed Rob, even if it was a "chaotic aid delivery", it's like, well, who's responsible for them starving in the first place?

Will dive into this at some point.

"Never before have so many witnessed an industrial-scale slaughter in real time. Yet the prevailing callousness, timidity and censorship disallows, even mocks, our shock and grief." https://t.co/7ugFOyuYC1

— michael (@Sisyphusa) March 1, 2024

apparently the Times newsroom also discriminated against Middle Eastern and North African employees in the wake of October 7, according to the Times union

https://www.washingtonpost.com/style/media/2024/03/01/nytimes-leak-investigation-guild-intercept-hamas/

President Biden announces U.S. will airdrop aid into Gaza

On Saturday, the U.S. began airdropping aid, according to a United States Central Command statement.

Jordan, France, Egypt and the United Arab Emirates have already begun airdrops, which Canada said it is also considering.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/03/02/biden-ceasefire-hostages-negotiations-ramadan/#link-WJODKCSRVRG67CI6PN27OPLKPM

much easier and more effective than uh not stopping funding the UNRWA based on some sketchy allegations

Completely unsubstantiated and seemingly totally made up allegations.

There is no reason to believe anything that any Israeli official says, ever.

I would guess that the blowback from the Anat Schwartz incident might've helped the writers push for this? I can't imagine it even a month ago. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/03/02/world/middleeast/gaza-deaths.html

Saudi Arabia has put 7 protesters who were involved in pro Palestine protests to death in the single largest execution in years.

Saudi Arabia has already executed 31 people so far in 2024. pic.twitter.com/xNPA8sunzG

— nepal (@yatasuregima) March 2, 2024

Very good thread taking a red pen to Mishra's piece I linked to yesterday.

This article/lecture is full of errors, offensive historical distortions, and glaring omissions of contextual information. While it claims to be about Palestine it gives little info about the genocide, and really just whitewashes Western complicity in both current one and Shoah https://t.co/P655ndx50C

— ‏تمار 🌴 Тама́р 🌴 תמר (@tamars) March 3, 2024

I read the Mishra just now. I thought the lack of citations was a serious problem and his mentioning events that happened very recently was worrying from a "how/when was this edited?" perspective. But I find "While it claims to be about Palestine it gives little info about the genocide" to be a bizarre misreading of what the essay is about, which isn't remotely "giving information about the genocide." Unfortunately I can't read the rest of the thread, so I don't know if they make better points, but I'd be curious to hear about the errors, etc. Did you get around to reading it xyzzzz?

Eh. I don't know about that thread. She writes

Also “human debris from Hitler’s death camps” clearly weren’t fit material for a Jewish state since they were dead. Does @LRB not have an editor to avoid such amateurish phrasing".

But the article makes clear in the **second paragraph** that "human debris" was Ben--Gurion's term for how he "initially saw Shoah **survivors**".

Similarly, complaining that the article doesn't go into more detail about why Bauman left Poland seems like it is besides the point. I don't know enough (translation: I know basically nothing) about the actual histories in the article to ascertain who's right or wrong re: the facts, but a lot of the criticisms seem to be nitpicking made in bad faith, as if the poster is upset they're not the one commissioned to write the article.

xpost agree with rob about both lack of citations and "bizarre misreading" on part of thread.

Did you get around to reading it xyzzzz?

― rob, Sunday, 3 March 2024 bookmarkflaglink

I read the thread and not the piece, but will get to it tonight with those thoughts.

xp - I don't agree with everything she posts but it's another perspective, which adds to my knowledge. Will see how I generally feel, but I know less than her about specifics.

Yeah I found it to be very well written and interesting, and I do recommend reading it with the caveats I mentioned. tbf since it was intended to be a spoken lecture, the lack of citations is at least understandable. But ultimately I was left wishing I could have more confidence in his account

"Rashid Khalidi views Jabotinsky as “the only honest one” of the early Zionists. His mistake, Khalidi said, was that he “assumed that he was operating in the eighteenth or nineteenth century, when you could get away with this stuff, an era when colonialism was seen as a good thing.” Native Americans certainly fought back, as did other aboriginal groups, “but they were crushed,” he added. “That didn’t work in the twentieth century. Libya didn’t work. Algeria didn’t work. Kenya didn’t work. South Africa didn’t work.”"

Halfway through this: https://newrepublic.com/article/179430/zionism-lost-argument-american-jews-israel

Piece of research touching on that poll that found a high % of young Americans engaging in Holocaust denial.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/03/05/online-opt-in-polls-can-produce-misleading-results-especially-for-young-people-and-hispanic-adults/

An interesting Rick Perlstein essay about Zionist fascism.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/mar/05/uk-science-minister-michelle-donelan-apologises-and-pays-damages-after-academics-libel-action

"Rashid Khalidi views Jabotinsky as “the only honest one” of the early Zionists. His mistake, Khalidi said, was that he “assumed that he was operating in the eighteenth or nineteenth century, when you could get away with this stuff, an era when colonialism was seen as a good thing.” Native Americans certainly fought back, as did other aboriginal groups, “but they were crushed,” he added. “That didn’t work in the twentieth century. Libya didn’t work. Algeria didn’t work. Kenya didn’t work. South Africa didn’t work.”"

Prof. Rashid Kalidi did a great extended interview on Majority Report yesterday that lays out so much of the history. The British fucking around in that region in the 30s led to so much damage today:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CShikrXob10

The British continued fucking around in the region well into the 1940s.
From 1946 to 1949 Britain maintained internment camps for Holocaust survivors and other Jewish refugees on Cyprus under blockade where over 400 people died.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyprus_internment_camps

'I'd rather be a racist than a bore' – Israeli historian Benny Morris at @LSEnews, when some of his quotes on Palestinians as a 'time bomb', a 'fifth column', and 'wild animals' were put to him by students pic.twitter.com/4bPoW5Vyjk

— Jack 🍉 (@jack_mcginn) March 6, 2024

That's nice.

We were never being boring