Words, usages, and phrases that annoy the shit out of you...

Aimless is right. I would never correct someone speaking or writing in a casual context. But at work I have to adhere to the standards of my profession, even though they are somewhat arbitrary.

Why did everyone online start saying "my brother in christ" all the time. Yer not religious, wtf is going on.

omg 'bro' has gotten out of hand. don't get me wrong, i'm fine with it, but every sentence cmon

My bro in Christ

Trayce I hate that one. It's meant as a zing I think

Going against the grain here - I have only ever used myriad as an adjective and didn't know it could be used as a noun.

That's not going against the grain btw.

is "on accident" an American thing? gets my hackles up

i detest “on accident,” no idea origin. as annoying as pronouncing jaguar “jagwire.” unless it’s a bike cable.

jag-you-war is just ridiculous, but is at least how the milkshakes sang it.

Never heard (of) it.

... 'on accident' that is... and 'jagwire'.

To British ears, the common US pronunciation of jaguar sounds more like jag-wah than jag-wire

On accident is Southern, if I’m not mistaken.

I think on accident is cute

same as eggspecially

“oh god that guy… what a total jagwire”

Xp alba, the greatly predominant (ime) us pronunciation is JAG-war, which is i think the one you mean. starting in the 90s i started to hear JAG-wire. i sorta think it’s a southernism and has spread in part as a result of the creation of the nfl football team jacksonville (FL) jaguars est 93 first season 95.

as to brit pronunciation i assume it must go deeper than medway

In "Maneater," Darryl Hall definitely sings "jag-you-are," but that may just be artistic license.

I think the more common English pronunciation (not sure if different in Scotland/Wales) is jag-you-uh not jag-you-are - in the Milkshakes song they kind of use both, jag-you-are when it rhymes with car and jag-you-uh the rest of the time

Well you pronounce the r in Scotland but the same otherwise.

yeah I thought that might be the case

Terry Hall does the same in Rat Race - bar/jag-you-are

I think the more common English pronunciation (not sure if different in Scotland/Wales) is jag-you-uh not jag-you-are - in the Milkshakes song they kind of use both, jag-you-are when it rhymes with car and jag-you-uh the rest of the time

Got you, Hunt3r

Pretty sure there was an 80s metal band called Jagwire or maybe Jagwah

“my brother in christ” is meant as sarcasm, and is honestly part of a meme culture that is a few years old at this point— haven’t seen it in a while, tho i now use it when i’m driving to avoid totally freaking out at bad drivers. “my brother in christ, you are tailgating the hell out of me” is a lot more calm and assured that “get the fuck off my bumper you fucking KIA piece of shit”

i like it

It doesn’t annoy me, but why did so many people say “Brother Wayne Kramer” on social media recently when Wayne Kramer of the MC5 died? Is it some connection with the John Sinclair/White Panther activism of the late 60s/early 70s?

Yes.

Going against the grain here - I have only ever used myriad as an adjective and didn't know it could be used as a noun.

That's not going against the grain btw.

Depends on who you ask, clearly. This must be regional and/or generational because while I think the proscription is obnoxious (as is any style guide usage recommendation that isn't about consistent spelling or punctuation) using myriad as an adjective in the pedagogy I grew up in is the incorrect usage. If you're trying to be erudite, it is always and only to be used as a noun.

But my interest in the matter is that taking ANY side on the issue at all is toxic to English writing on the whole - both usages are fine, neither are even slightly ambiguous, and all taking sides does is alienate a big swath of the population and make them reluctant to contribute their own writing to the world.

OTM

i use otm as a noun

myriad of otms

whats so great about consistency of spelling or punctuation

by the same token

whats so great about consistency of spelling or punctuation

hard agree, can we celebrate imperfection

/communication

whats so great about consistency of spelling or punctuation

pays my bills so who can say if its good or bad

what's grate about. it is; thatt, you can beter connect! with your frans `

whats so great about consistency of spelling or punctuation

just for the record, there are some practical benefits. it makes reading much less work because it allows familiarity and habit to do some of the heavy lifting of recognition. standardized spelling makes written words more like factory-produced interchangeable parts. before standardization reading was more of a struggle.

a less happy consequence is that it shifts more of the work to the front end, when you're learning to read and write and are expanding your vocabulary. compared to learning a language by hearing ans speaking, reading and writing are unnatural add-ons that our brains are less well adapted for. spelling words phonetically, but haphazardly, is a less rocky path when you don't know or care what the standardized spelling is, but you're making your reader work harder to figure out what they're looking at.

whats so great about consistency of spelling or punctuation

my favorite Elvis Costello demo

typically profiting off nick lowe

Nick lowercase

But my interest in the matter is that taking ANY side on the issue at all is toxic to English writing on the whole - both usages are fine, neither are even slightly ambiguous, and all taking sides does is alienate a big swath of the population and make them reluctant to contribute their own writing to the world.

this is so weird. why would you even open this thread in that case. like are we allowed to have harmless opinions on a thread about annoying usage without being called toxic and obnoxious

i haven't really had time to keep up with the thread but just wanted to be clear that i don't to come to this thread or anywhere for that matter with the sincere intention of telling ppl how to use english correctly, nor do i have any reverence for style guides. and looking back at my posts, if i failed to convey a playful tone, or later on got lost on a tangent about style that made sense in my head but that i only formulated here elliptically, then apologies for coming across like somebody who's interested in actually doling out proscriptions. i do appreciate your dogged descriptivism around the board, even if in this thread of all places it seems to me that it's probably okay to share grumpy thoughts once in a while without worrying that others will take them too seriously. my point, if i had one, was really just about people who evidently are invested in sounding erudite, and whether or not holding them to their own (often nonsensical) standards can work as a tactic for deflation. i wasn't trying to suggest that those standards are worth taking very seriously, or that people who don't adhere to them aren't worth reading/listening to

Bazekali peepl orta tork rite innit.
Uvvawize how dya no vey fink rite.

but it always raises an eyebrow when a writer chooses this word, presumably to sound highbrow

people who evidently are invested in sounding erudite,

Kind of a weird thing to project onto ppl using a fairly common word

“my brother in christ” does seem to be ubiquitous right now and I also hate it

you hate it in this, the year of our lord 2024

otoh I'm pretty sure I have been guilty of some variation of this at times:

One that's been annoying me lately is "technical term" followed by some colloquialism, ie "Her behaviour was certainly unusual, I believe the technical term is 'batshit crazy'".

― Zelda Zonk, Sunday, 3 March 2024 07:08 bookmarkflaglink

have we done verbs yet

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