Anti-semitism thread: onwards from 2023

There was a YouGov/Economist poll discussed upthread that including an extremely alarming statistic about 20% of 18-29yr olds thinking the Holocaust is "a myth."

Pew Research looks at that poll in this piece, noting problems with opt-in online polls in general: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/03/05/online-opt-in-polls-can-produce-misleading-results-especially-for-young-people-and-hispanic-adults/

And they did their own survey with a different methodology and less disturbing results:

https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/SR_24.03.04_opt-in-polls_2.png

I'm not posting this to minimize anyone's concerns about antisemitism in general, but I was relieved to learn that rising generations likely haven't been duped into believing grotesquely racist lies. Anyway, it's worth reading the article if you're curious, plus Pew has a whole section on Holocaust awareness that looked interesting too.

Also the 18-29 demo being the most anti-choice group is a red flag for accuracy.

Yeah this was quite relieving for me to read. 3% feels far more in line with it being "fringe" rather than "widespread". Quite a disparity

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2024/mar/06/tory-peer-jacqueline-foster-pays-damages-university-challenge

in less relieving news, I learned this morning that the Republican nominee for NC governor is a Holocaust denier while his Democratic opponent in the election is Jewish

that nominee for Governor apparently has all sorts of nutty stuff in his social media background.

Yeah he’s basically the worst on every issue (Mark Robinson, that is)

Also, regarding Black Panther: “It is absolutely AMAZING to me that people… can get so excited about a fictional ‘hero’ created by an agnostic Jew and put to film by satanic marxist. How can this trash, that was only created to pull the shekels out of your Schvartze pockets, invoke any pride?”

Blimey.

He will lose.

Open antisemitism from genocide supporters in the UK, clearly intended to stoke division, fear and conflict amongst and against Jews:

Mark Gardner from the Community Security Trust says their are 2 types of Jews who attend pro Palestinian marches - ultra orthodox Jews, & revolutionary socialist Jews who are "using their Jewishness so that people get the impression this movement is not fundamentally antisemitic" pic.twitter.com/YJk0So8To1

— Saul Staniforth (@SaulStaniforth) March 8, 2024

When people say that the antisemitism debate in the UK is poisoned, for me this is the most fundamental reason why: deliberate, cynical weaponisation of the very concept of antisemitism for political gain by the right.

I thought the Community Security Trust were non-political but obviously not.

They’re not supposed to be. It’s also emerged that Met police invited CST officers (they are often ex-IDF rentacops) into their command centre to observe pro-Palestinian marchers.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/18/us/politics/trump-israel-jewish-voters.html

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/jewish-berkeley-dean-speaks-after-graduation-dinner-at-his-home-was-disrupted-by-pro-palestinian-student/vi-BB1lu3IP?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=66822fbd768348ff8b8e4d2b2f953048&ei=21

I'm gonna go with yes it's antisemitism on this one. Erwin Chemerinsky has no control over what U.C. Berkeley invests in so the idea that this was all related to divestment seems ignorant at best (and I would expect law students to have a better grasp on things than that).

*what the U.C. SYSTEM invests in, in fact. Not only does the law school not have its' own investments, but Berkeley doesn't even have its own investments.

yeah, the poster they created didn't help either

Antisemites at @BerkeleyLaw are targeting their professors.

When Dean Erwin Chemerinsky and Prof. Catherine Fisk invited 3Ls to dinner, students called for a boycott and then came to their home with a mic to protest.

Now @sairasameerarao is spreading this video without context. pic.twitter.com/mHILs5To8m

— Steve McGuire (@sfmcguire79) April 10, 2024

One version of the poster had blood on the fork and knife.

Also Saira Rao is an absurd grifter

she's probably a Mossad plant

She hosts $5000-plate cultish anti racism dinners for white women. Meanwhile she lives in an expensive almost exclusively white neighborhood of Denver called (you can’t make this up) Country Club.

https://www.columbiaspectator.com/opinion/2024/04/18/is-columbia-in-crisis/

There's also the matter of Shai Davidai, a prof at Columbia who has been doxing Palestinian students and activists and is under investigation, but has faced no consequences despite not being tenured. Being the son of a billionaire private equity scumbag has its benefits, I guess, because any other professor who did this to students would be put on their asses in little to no time.
https://www.columbiaspectator.com/news/2024/04/17/sjp-petition-calls-for-termination-of-business-school-professor-shai-davidai/

agreed that is unacceptable. columbia is making it clear they are on his side with all the other actions they are taking. for a school that still lionizes the student riots of the 60's they seem to have some kind of organizational dissociative identity disorder (or more simply, they are full of shit)

i don't understand why anyone with a brain expects elite universities to do anything but suppress and crack down on student organizing and mass protest of any kind

that steve mcguire person seems very unstable

fwiw I don't expect university administrators to do anything else, but I also think that calling universities to account is a noble and worthwhile goal for both students and faculty. just because people shouldn't expect any better doesn't mean people shouldn't demand better.

also tho, not sure this is the correct location for this discussion. maybe best for Israel/Palestine post 10/7 - follow-on events/thoughts as relate to other countries

i don't understand why anyone with a brain expects elite universities to do anything but suppress and crack down on student organizing and mass protest of any kind

― budo jeru, Sunday, April 21, 2024 9:27 AM (one hour ago)

as someone "with a brain" who went to an "elite university" ... the university administration definitely chooses their battles. It is so not "crack down on student organizing and mass protest of any kind" ... I can only speak to my own alma mater and UC Berkeley (where I have friends that work there and get the "memos"), both of which pride themselves on their histories of student activism and protesting. Do they always choose correctly? Fuck no.

but recently, chatting about the "Spring Weekend Poster" incident with a former college housemate ... she used the phrase "Rally On the Green U" to refer to our alma mater ... because when we were students, there were always groups protesting various things, and the administration was pretty laissez faire about it.

i was at cal throughout the 90's and I remember them being relatively tolerant of student demonstrations (which in those days were usually around prop 187/ending afirmative action, plus grad student strikes and tuition hike protests).

FWIW, during the 1980s there were student protests at all University of California campuses to induce the UC Regents to divest from South Afrtica - which they did do in 1986

i wasn't trying to call anybody itt stupid, i was just reacting to some reporting elsewhere. my point was just that these institutions' function is to reproduce the ruling class, and it's good to keep that in mind, rather than taking them at their word that they strive to "examine" or "dismantle" abc or whatever it is that they would say. i rarely have time to formulate my posts with the care that a lot of the threads on ILE like this one demand, so i apologize. and sorry for further derailing

Yes we have a thorough grounding in Marxism 101. Thanks though!

ok

Student Leader of Columbia Protests: ‘Zionists Don’t Deserve to Live’

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/26/nyregion/columbia-student-protest-zionism.html

The student, Khymani James, said in the January video that “Zionists don’t deserve to live” and “Be grateful that I’m not just going out and murdering Zionists.”

lol oops

Truly depressing L for the Columbia protestors to have let this dumbass be identified as a leader

yall are really listening to a genocide-enabling birdcage liner trying to disempower the largest student protest movement in the past 25 years? ridiculous how ready you are to fall in line

“this one student leader said something bad! this means the whole movement is suspect and should be shut down” get the fuck out of here with that bullshit

Nah, I'm going to draw the line at incitement to murder. Not going to get the fuck out of here.

A quick scan of lLX political threads would provide plentiful examples of death-dealing rhetoric similar in tone to “Zionists don’t deserve to live” and “Be grateful that I’m not just going out and murdering Zionists.” Wishing death on large swathes of people who disagree with you is fully normalized in political discourse these days. Candidates for public office issue ads where opponents are put in the cross hairs of a rifle scope. It is so ingrained now that urging any moderation of this rhetoric is dismissed as the crime of "tone policing".

tabes my dude this dumb asshole fucked up and he fucked up a lot of people when he fucked up

“this one student leader said something bad! this means the whole movement is suspect and should be shut down” get the fuck out of here with that bullshit

― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table)

Fwiw nobody here said the second sentence you said here

some Boston Latin grad who wants to go to congress can't be facecamming his violently-tinged vent session onto the gram and then letting himself be held out as a leader of a protest movement three months later, whatever happens next is his fault not the New York Timeses

as a Jew actively in a leadership position of an (admittedly small) Jewish community that is working to oppose the state of Israel's genocidal actions, I can assure you that this rhetoric and brand of "leadership" is counterproductive and not helpful. Also sort of murder-y and antisemitic (how does this enlightened student distinguish between, say, a Jewish Voice for Peace member, and a Zionist? is there some sort of badge I should wear?)

hi Shakey

Hey there Shakey!

need a mansplaining-equivalent word for when non-Jews lecture Jews about Judaism, anti-semitism, Zionism, the history of Israel, the Holocaust, etc. Goysplaining?

Well, I don't think that Jews necessarily own the history of Israel or Zionism, but I still know what you are talking about and I see it a lot.

yall are really listening to a genocide-enabling birdcage liner trying to disempower the largest student protest movement in the past 25 years? ridiculous how ready you are to fall in line

the guy said it himself, posted himself saying it on his own instagram, and has now had to apologize for it, so I'm not sure what parts of that should be ignored because you don't like this newspaper