Words, usages, and phrases that annoy the shit out of you...

if we're still talking about my post, that's def not why it's annoying. i assumed sarahell was xposting back to the "welcome in" convo

Karl’s annoyance topic… it sounds like something someone typed on their phone using autosuggest…

my direct boss is a large southern man who used to do a traveling poker tournament service out of the trunk of his car

this was the best elevator speech shit the coen brothers ever put on me, but I couldn’t finance it just then

"Ask" as a noun (e.g., "What was the ask?") Has that already been mentioned a few dozen times?

"Ask" as a noun (e.g., "What was the ask?") Has that already been mentioned a few dozen times?

just please tell me your asks are actionable or we might have to spitball some BPIs to get these deliverables rerouted to a different pillar of excellence entirely

re: restaurant workers, one of my most memorably awkward experiences involved a couple we knew who came over from another neighborhood in L.A., we ordered a pair of pizzas online from one of our local spots. the husband of the other couple and i walked over to pick it up. it had yet to be put in the oven and so we waited about ten minutes. on the way out, we received an apology and a "thanks for your patience" and this other guy i was with grabs the pizzas and says "WHATEVER!" and just storms out in an exaggerated dramatic huff while i stood there, the pizza guy looks at me with a wtf expression, and i had to quickly apologize and then get outta there. it sounds minor maybe, but in the moment it was just such an overreaction to something which i wouldn't even call a mild inconvenience. to me it was a chance to hang and chat a bit while waiting but no...it led to hell hath no fury.

i really despise being with people who condescend or scold or get snappy with service workers, though it's been useful to a degree in figuring out which people i don't want to hang out with anymore.

that's what we call "Tuesday"

it's just shocking to me to see people here, in a space i consider fairly reasonable and civilized, punch/peeve down at/be openly irritable toward service workers for the language they use or the fact that they are actually not responsible for making the food themselves (usually). i always come back to the same question -- why the hate?! why do otherwise normal people think it's ok to shit on service workers even if only to criticize their chosen language on a peeve thread on a messageboard?

no one has even tried to answer my question of why. why do you think it's ok to peeve down? peeve on powerful people, not peons.

The specific phrase ("welcome in") is weird/off-putting/annoying. One can say/believe that while also believing that anyone who treats a waiter like shit should have ground glass put in their food or at the very least permanently banned from that establishment.

the thing is, it's not! it's not annoying or off-putting. it's completely innocuous. the peeving is unwarranted and therefore seems to be more about the speaker than what they say. like when people peeve on vocal fry or whatever feature of young women's language.

Nah, as someone who works with words all day, "welcome in" is an unnecessary preposition. It's wrong.

no one has even tried to answer my question of why. why do you think it's ok to peeve down? peeve on powerful people, not peons.

― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Thursday, March 14, 2024 1:17 PM bookmarkflaglink

Some people want things to be peeved about. It gives them pleasure.

Personally, I think it's not wait staff that are overusing phrases, but diners who are dining out too frequently if they are hearing phrases too often.

xp or word workers working with words too much lol

"welcome in" is so innocuous in a world where we have "mouthfeel", "soft opening of a new fast casual concept", and idk "nomgasm" or whatever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHYDTJyZ0Co

“Daypart”

I think these objections to certain word choices are not about hating players, or indeed servers, but more about hating the game/the script.

Nah, as someone who works with words all day, "welcome in" is an unnecessary preposition. It's wrong.

― Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson)

the fuck is this

I expect "come on in" should be peeved on as twice as annoying since it has twice the unnecessary prepositions as "welcome in"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdT8Tlzto20

"Welcome" is a one-word sentence. "Come" can be a one-word sentence, but that's rare. It usually requires a preposition, i.e. "come in," "come out," or "come on" (whether you're just using it as an intensifier or as "come on [my face]"). This thread is making me question y'all's literacy.

welcome does nothing come doesnt

Let’s be honest

Nah, as someone who works with words all day, "welcome in" is an unnecessary preposition. It's _wrong_.

god i missed ilx

im not out to pick a fight, other than the actual entries to the thread as usual, thats what the thread is

but i dont take english lessons from the brits, be sure i wont from the yanks

btw this was the first result for “welcome in”, which I’m not familiar with in the context being complained about at (frankly, weird) length here. Took me a literal second.

Feel like this fella might know more about writing than unperson

Gregory Guy, a professor of sociolinguistics at New York University, says that phenomenon is “called change from below, meaning below the level of conscious awareness. It’s the way most linguistic changes start out.” He continues: “The mechanism for that is considered to be accommodation. If we put two strangers in a room and they talk for 15 minutes, some little things about the way they speak might become more similar.”

god i missed ilx

I have spent decades in nonprofit fundraising... Ask as a noun is ingrained. Sorry.

Has it been around that long? Didn't know that. I'd never heard it used that way until some point within the last decade. It just sounds wrong to me. I asked a question, he gave his answer. "Did you remember to ask him?" "Yes." "What was his give?"

Pleasure peeving is a novel concept for me. I also don’t buy the “hating the game not the players” explano-excuse. It’s still peeving down.

Also ftr I too spend all day with words and somehow manage to not peeve pedantically.

This thread is making me question y'all's literacy.

so "y'all" is OK but "welcome in" is not, got it

Feel like this fella might know more about writing than unperson

I'll go up against a professor of sociolinguistics in a "writing for an audience of normal humans" contest any time.

LG and now you, hang the (actual) banner

You rang?

Hi!

https://i.postimg.cc/dVHHhPHq/IMG-7172.jpg

xp God I could not have timed that any better 👋🏻

questioning our all's literacy on this terminally moribund text-based Transatlantic/Transoceanic message board! The gloves are off!

also hello in orbit!

hi unperson, I'm here with some friendly unsolicited advice that I often would do well to heed myself: just take the 'W' in your own mind and stop digging the hole any deeper.

For the record, I’m not peeving down at servers. My sister has been working in hospitality for the past 20 years, and she is very good at her job. I am very specifically peeving at hospitality scripts imposed by employers of people like my sister, who I would never blame or moan at for patter I find annoying.

Motion to replace "welcome in" with "come my lady"

Time is passing, I'm asking could this be real

Seems a good time to mention that customers, esp in restaurants have an annoying script that we have to listen to, too. Wait staff don’t actually have much choice in what we say, and we have to say it over and over again so expecting us to come up with novel niceties for each customer is a bit much, and customers actually do have a choice. It’s been 16 yrs since I waited tables but I did it full time for 8 yrs and believe me, you guys are just as annoying and speak in cliches. The number of times I wanted to say “ gee whiz I’ve never heard that one before” why rolling my eyes.

My favorite was old white men asking for “the william” 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

I’m waiting tables right now and unfortunately don’t have the protection of time, distance, or being anyone’s sister. Going to assume everyone is quietly seething at me, wish me luck!

Oo-rah is the Marine Corps.

Army dudes say hoo-ah.

(I don't know if the Navy or Air Force have things they' supposed to say. Space Force presumably has "Pew! Pew!" Or "Bleep-blorp.")

I just assumed hoo-ah was a Pacino-ism

I’m assuming perving down on servers is bad, too

I never really thought about this before but it's kind of odd that the unaccommodating, snooty waiter is such a trope. I would think that in most circumstances, the customers with the resources to go out to dinner are more likely to be higher SES than the service worker bringing them their food. I suppose when going out to eat was more of a special occasion, people would save up and go to fancy restaurants where they cultivated a vibe of higher class. But I can't help but think that the trope largely exists as cover for punching down.

I don't think I've heard "welcome in" in the wild, or at least haven't registered it, and it sounds pretty weird to my ears. But that's how language develops! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

"What can I get started for you" doesn't aggravate me, and I assume it's used to remind jerks there's a made-to-order process involved, but it does kinda feel like it's trying to disclaim responsibility for the meal? Like "look, I will initiate the process of your food being prepared, but honestly, a lot of this is out of my hands"

Oh fun, nabisco’s back. Hi nabisco! I get your reasoning here but I would prefer a “whaddaya want?” or the traditional “may I take your order?” “What can I get started for you today?” sounds so PR firm, reminds me of the Windows 95 “where do you want to go today?” tagline in their ads

I don’t like “I appreciate you” at all, I would say it to somebody I desire to keep at arm’s length and I take it to mean the same when it is said to me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TJ2v9O2iEo

Personally, when I go to a restaurant, I'm mostly there for food, drink and to socialise. Whatever the restaurant staff said or didn't say is completely forgotten by me the instant after its been said. Unless it's an "I piss on your mother's grave" or something, but haven't got that one yet. Ya'll are a bunch of Larry David's I swear

But I also think Larry David is hilarious so please keep this long running skit going

I’m with LL here, the ire that some of you show toward service workers just goes to show that you never were one or forgot what it was like, and in the former case, you can quite literally fuck off, and in the latter case, maybe jog your memory a bit.

Staff should start barking "COME!" like Patrick Stewart instead.

PS I have never ever heard anyone say "welcome in", it doesnt seem that odd in any case, and dont waitstaff usually say "table for 2?" or "do you have a booking" or "please leave without making a scene"?