ILX Film Club, The (1924-2019)

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I've watched SITR many times at home and shown it in class, but the silent sequence still strikes me as long and boring.

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 24 March 2024 17:34 (two months ago) link

just learned that the "famous zip girl of the screen" Zelda (very jazz age) was played by rita moreno. although her introduction scene gets stolen by a shouting extra.

https://www.tcm.com/video/1525509/singin-in-the-rain-1951-movie-clip-that-famous-zip-girl

adam t. (abanana), Sunday, 24 March 2024 21:32 (two months ago) link

also little thing i missed: she's clearly dating the old guy for his money, but the announcer says "zelda's had so much unhappiness, i hope this time it's really love"

adam t. (abanana), Sunday, 24 March 2024 21:36 (two months ago) link

I find gene Kelly very off-putting and have seen this way too many times

plax (ico), Thursday, 28 March 2024 06:52 (two months ago) link

Watched this yesterday and as always it's a complete joy. Remember when I was a kid my dad saying Donald O'Connor was the best, and being more familiar with silent comedy now I feel like I can really appreciate this. The energy Gene Kelly puts into the Broadway Melody section is also kind of astounding though. As a depiction of the birth of sound film there's a load this gets wrong, but as it was still fairly recent memory I suppose they probably knew but didn't care. It's probably been said a thousand times before but having these in chronological order really underlines how much this most famous example of a big studio musical also marks the end of big studio musicals - those Busby Berkeley dance spectaculars were already history, and this was Kelly's last major hit. I guess this is also the start of Hollywood looking back with nostalgia at its golden age, which it has been doing intermittently ever since. The timescale is bizarre though, the equivalent today would be a film set in the year 2000.

I don't mind Kelly's constant mugging to the camera, but I can understand anyone who finds it off-putting. I'm afraid I find Jean Hagen may be the weak link personally - her comedy performance is of course wonderful, but I just don't buy her as a silent movie star, she doesn't have that theatricality to her face. Kelly isn't 100% convincing either, but he seems to at least be trying.

This is Dance Anthems, have some respect (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 28 March 2024 08:49 (two months ago) link

If you want to see a spot-on parody of the problems with early sound film I can heartily recommend this short from 1930

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aH7XlG9j0xs

This is Dance Anthems, have some respect (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 28 March 2024 08:51 (two months ago) link

Kelly's mugging helps his character, an insecu.re mediocrity

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 28 March 2024 11:55 (two months ago) link

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Ikiru, Akira Kurosawa, 1952

Morbsies #230
Sight & Sound Critics #157
Sight & Sound Directors 72

This is Dance Anthems, have some respect (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 30 March 2024 14:05 (two months ago) link

I'm at a loss: the one Kurosawa masterpiece I can't like. I can watch any number of Ozu films from this period about aging/dying men, though.

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 30 March 2024 14:23 (two months ago) link

Great film

Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai), Saturday, 30 March 2024 14:27 (two months ago) link

I’m with Alfred aside from the “only Kurosawa I don’t like” part. It’s no secret he’s not at the top of my list of Japanese masters (tho I do quite like his later ones), and in IKIRU’s case I just don’t think I ever get on the same wavelength of its tone. I had higher hopes for this one going in though, so the falloff might have been partially expectation-based

Rich E. (Eric H.), Saturday, 30 March 2024 15:26 (two months ago) link

He's still the top of mine so that evens it out!

Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai), Saturday, 30 March 2024 15:28 (two months ago) link

Love Ikiru, it's all about that long final scene with the dudes at the funeral getting drunk and angry and wondering how to Fix Things.

Daniel_Rf, Saturday, 30 March 2024 21:45 (two months ago) link

Yup, it is an amazing thing when the funeral comes on.

Kurosawa is a curious one. I liked to loved pretty the three or four I've seen but I never went onto obsessively track the other half a dozen or so down.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 31 March 2024 00:00 (two months ago) link

Kurosawa has like 30 films still available. and of those i think only one is out of print and hard to find (The Idiot)

koogs, Sunday, 31 March 2024 06:46 (two months ago) link

First saw Ikiru as part of a Sociology Of Death college class in the late 80s. Not my favorite Kurosawa, but easily one of my fave watching experiences.

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 2 April 2024 05:25 (one month ago) link

Finished this yesterday, in agreement with most of the above in one way or another, it's kind of tonally all over the place until the last section at the wake, when it finally all clicks this this is less a film about death, and more a film about bureaucracy. Also enjoyed the brief scene in the night club earlier on, I have some Japanese jazz from the era and it's really like nothing else.
His son is a prick.

This is Dance Anthems, have some respect (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 12 April 2024 21:40 (one month ago) link

Holiday is now available in full on YouTube

nxd, Saturday, 13 April 2024 11:24 (one month ago) link

So is Ugetsu Monogatari

This is Dance Anthems, have some respect (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 13 April 2024 13:21 (one month ago) link

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/77/Ugetsu_monogatari_poster.jpg

Ugetsu Monogatari, Kenji Mizoguchi, 1953

Morbsies #462
Sight & Sound Critics #90

This is Dance Anthems, have some respect (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 13 April 2024 13:28 (one month ago) link

Now that most of his great films have become available in the last 20 years, I have less time for Ugetsu, but it's a landmark of creepiness and erotic sorrow.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 13 April 2024 13:43 (one month ago) link

Not my favourite Mizoguchi but still devastating, timeless

Bitchin Doutai (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 13 April 2024 13:49 (one month ago) link

Brilliant

Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai), Saturday, 13 April 2024 16:18 (one month ago) link

The phrase I see a lot is “first among equals.” I submit that there should be a similar and near-equally laudable “second among equals,” which UGETSU probably is, alongside Mizoguchi’s late run

Rich E. (Eric H.), Saturday, 13 April 2024 16:23 (one month ago) link

I don't want to do "better than" arguments, so I'll try very hard not to do that, but what a movie, what magic he crafted throughout his career but the 50s especially, fuiud

Bitchin Doutai (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 13 April 2024 16:30 (one month ago) link

I've dug thru the source material cos it fascinates me and I'd confidently argue that - like Hitchcock for example - he made his sources his own and made them better. Ugetsu taps a bunch of veins at once, political personal, but the big point is it sticks with you, it transcends what it might be "about"

Bitchin Doutai (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 13 April 2024 16:36 (one month ago) link

It's strange that the most memorable scene from this for me is where the "samurai" brags about his non-existent virtues to his young cronies. The ghost story stuff is a little vague by comparison, though it obviously made a big impression on Tarkovsky.

Halfway there but for you, Saturday, 13 April 2024 17:32 (one month ago) link

So this was wild. Don't think I've ever seen anything like it.

This is Dance Anthems, have some respect (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 17 April 2024 07:09 (one month ago) link

Watched with my wife who knows a decent amount about Japanese ghost culture, my idea was that the story followed a dreamlike narrative, but she pointed out that it was a standard, fairly simple morality play if you are familiar with Japanese ghost stories. It was the atmosphere, especially the sound, that made it work for me.

This is Dance Anthems, have some respect (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 17 April 2024 10:15 (one month ago) link

yeah, there are quite a few like it. i think i prefer Kuroneko. i need to rewatch Ghost of Yotsuya (it's on youtube). Kwaidan has similar bits too. Onibaba...

useful list here, including more modern j-horror
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hnica240Wq4

koogs, Wednesday, 17 April 2024 11:47 (one month ago) link

the kiln aspect was interesting as well - there was a bbc4 japanese traditional arts programme on just before i saw Ugetsu for the first time and the same kilns are still in use (although not universally)

koogs, Wednesday, 17 April 2024 11:51 (one month ago) link

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Madame de..., Max Ophuls, 1953
Morbsies #499
Sight & Sound Critics #90

This is Dance Anthems, have some respect (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 20 April 2024 19:55 (one month ago) link

Sometimes the greatest film ever made.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 20 April 2024 19:57 (one month ago) link

Another cracking film.

Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai), Saturday, 20 April 2024 19:57 (one month ago) link

I love Earrings... because it's a film whose editing and camera movements convey a passage of time as subtle as any novel. When I read Balzac and Trollope, the marriage between Boyer and Darrieux is how I imagine the day-to-day functionalities of a patrician 19th century marriage. The beauty of Boyer's performance is how he's perfectly willing to go along with it but with the quiet half-grins that Ophuls catches it's clear he also loves Louise enough to have given a more erotic marriage a shot if she wasn't so bent on escaping within her confines. Few films convey how possessions delineate the confines of one's own entrapment.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 20 April 2024 20:14 (one month ago) link

Modern Times also on YouTube now too
Really enjoyed that, especially the automatic food layer bit

nxd, Tuesday, 30 April 2024 20:33 (one month ago) link

Only started watching films by Ophuls six months ago. Forgive me, God

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 30 April 2024 21:14 (one month ago) link

Om watching Earrings.... as I type and my god

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 30 April 2024 21:25 (one month ago) link

I finally got around to Earrings a few years ago and boy does it deliver. 19th century novels are a good reference point, it has that richness of detail and emotional specificity.

Boyer is the key: aware of everything, ready to play along, but ignore him and he'll put a bullet in your throat.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 30 April 2024 21:41 (one month ago) link

19th century novels are a good reference point, it has that richness of detail and emotional specificity.

― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, April 30, 2024 5:28 PM (one hour ago)

otm Alfred and tipsy. I already had that association, and when I started reading Anna Karenina the other day I immediately thought of Earrings

rob, Tuesday, 30 April 2024 23:01 (one month ago) link

there's a Chaplin season on sky arts in the UK and Modern Times (78 in the S&S list) and City Lights (36) will be two of those (i think MT is next Saturday and Sunday). so far there's been The Kid, Gold Rush, The Circus. Criterion logo in all the credits.

koogs, Tuesday, 30 April 2024 23:24 (one month ago) link

Finished watching Madame De..., you are all dead-on with the novel comparisons, reminded me of Zola's "La Curée", though without the politics, such a dance the three do with each-other, and the fact that they spent so much time actually dancing did not seem like a blunt metaphor. I did find it a little difficult to connect with on an emotional level, as I always do with the Belle Époque upper class, not sure why this is.

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Tokyo Story, Yasujirō Ozu, 1953

Morbsies #141
Sight & Sound Critics #4
Sight & Sound Directors #4

This is Dance Anthems, have some respect (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Sunday, 5 May 2024 15:55 (three weeks ago) link

Heartbreaking.

Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai), Sunday, 5 May 2024 16:27 (three weeks ago) link

yeah, didn't even make the top 100

This is Dance Anthems, have some respect (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Sunday, 5 May 2024 16:32 (three weeks ago) link

I finished Tokyo Story a little while ago and have been slowly digesting it - while I liked it quite a lot I still haven't worked out why it's a masterpiece, maybe this is just something not worth worrying about, but it just reminds me of a lot of other low-key studies of family life - that's something I generally love anyway, maybe it's that I've seen so many of its successors that it just doesn't seem novel? I am also a little confused by Chishū Ryū's acting, it is so low-key that I find myself questioning whether he's actually doing anything. (Also cannot believe that he's 49 years old in this and lived until 1993! And Kyōko Kagawa is still alive!)

This is Dance Anthems, have some respect (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 16 May 2024 19:51 (two weeks ago) link

is so low-key that I find myself questioning whether he's actually doing anything.

best kind of acting imo

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 16 May 2024 20:27 (two weeks ago) link

I am undecided between "best" and "not best" - certainly he would be at home in a Roy Andersson film, so that sounds like I should come down on the side of "best"


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