Star Trek Discovery: The Bryan Fuller TV reboot

I tuned out during the desert speed racer seen. You’re not just ripping off Star Wars, you’re ripping off the WORST Star Wars.

After Strange New Worlds, it’s jarring how little anyone outside of Michael and maybe 2-3 other people matter.

Ive been reflecting more on it ,having just watched a few STNG eps. One was basically a whole-episode meditation on Worf dealing with being a single dad (shittily, natch). But it made me think: with 25+ eps a season, you had *time* to spend a whole ep on one character's arc, story, persona. This has prob been said loads I'm sure but the streaming era sucks in that they have to cram everything in with only 8-10 eps per season and insisting on season-long story arcs. Its hard to feel any connection to anyone when we're busy watching them just react to the situation all the time and not stopping to just exist once in a while. I'd argue even SNW/LD have this problem!

TL;DR: old crone yells at cloud, no one takes the time anymore, yadda yadda.

no that’s just it
strange new worlds can give a whole episode to a story, and yes maybe thats a function of it being a throwback but disco feels like it’s always running 4 plots every episode and doing all of them half justice. it makes me not care abt any of it!

Strange New Worlds was worse on the fun episodic content in the second season (still loads better than Discovery, of course).

I mean it had the LD crossover and the musical episode alone!

yeah idk milo maybe you forgot more of s2 than u remembered

The musical episode was the opposite of fun (though episodic). They did way more Discovery feelings talk this season.

this show can be pretty dumb but I still feel a sneaking fondness towards it

first two episodes were fine but I did have a sinking feeling when the segments of the season-long story arc started clunking into place

like another mcguffiny quest and at the end we will for sure be staring in awe at a cgi aurora borealis contemplating the wonder of creation in a canonically non-conclusive way

and saru will be back just to up the hugs and feelings quotient

I mean probably that is just Star Trek and I should relax into it

lol otm no lies told

briefly wondered, in the finale, if tilly and vance were gonna bang

― mookieproof, Thursday, March 17, 2022 8:13 PM (two years ago)

this should have happened imo

another map with x locations they need to visit to uncover a secret, just like the red angel in season 2. hopefully no time travel this time.

also has the star trek v problem in that there is no way the progenitors stuff has a satisfying payoff.

ep2 had some breathing room for banter with saru. i liked that. is saru gone now?

I liked the first two seasons well enough but tapped out a few episodes into the third season because Michael was so boring without a Spock/Jason Isaacs/Michelle Yeoh to play off.

I think I’ll skip 3&4 and watch this last season though. Did I miss anything? Why is David Cronenberg wearing a 20th century suit? Did Michael and Book ever threaten to become interesting?

I hope the reveal is that the Cronenberg character is actually David Cronenberg...

There's something super-Canadian about latter day Trek (not that Trek was ever lacking Canadian-ness via Shatner) that gives it an off-brand forgettableness. I think Callum Rennie was even in ExistenZ(!)

Yeah Red Angel all over again was what came immediately to mind for me too xps

Also stunned that the first clue points to Trill, just after Adira says she's happier separated from Gray

i torrented the first two episodes but in the highlights from last season someone 'felt seen' and then in the first scene all the annoying characters (i.e. *not* owosekun or at least detmer) are being sad/bitchy and you know what? fuck that, i'm out

*almost* want to keep watching just for cronenberg but it's not enough

I watched S05 E03 but have no real memory of it

Trill mindmeld and cloaking monster and puzzle piece something something something (why have Klingons disappeared in the 32nd century?). It's still bad but now I'm stuck and have to finish the season.

Amazing how the then-seemingly-bad first couple of seasons seem solid in comparison, at least you had Jason Patrick and Space Hitler chewing scenery.

S3 was really weird and the plot is feeling horribly clumsy. It seems to basically be turning into zelda triforce fetchquest. Ugh.

Oh and as someone on IMDB pointed out, whats the point of finding any of this now when they had a Genesis device in S3 of Picard?

Sorry I meant EP 3, dammit.

But having said that - Culber-as-Jinraal was pretty fun, Wilson Cruz acted that up really well, and I liked how it was a callback to when all the DS9 crew had to go around manifesting Curzon and all Dax's other peeps.

oh man the actor who manifested joran(?) for ezri in DS9 s07 was almost unbearably over-the-top

Was he the serial killer one the whole point it was for? I cant actually remember it now lol, and I only watched it last year.

yes! so bad

Joran, the pick-me serial killer

Discovery this season seems like a video game, collect all the pieces of the puzzle type quest. The graphics seem kinda gamey too cf Michael surfing on a spaceship in a "warp bubble".

So, I thought I didn't enjoy last nights episode for various reasons, but...
it turns out its one of the most liked/popular of the show!? Clearly I missed something. All I kept thinking was "if Burnham and Stamets kept reappearing in the past how come they dont remember it happening before? Why isnt Burnham fighting herself breaking the frickin timeline? What have I missed?" Apparently the whole thing was a callback to a VOY episode called "Shattered" which completely escaped me, so ok.

Also bummed they mentioned Lorca but he was conveniently out on a mission *kicks dirt, grumbles*

The bit where Stamets was desperately trying not to fuck the timeline up by saying the wrong thing was pretty funny, tbf. Also Reno's one appearance. "ah no, are you stuck in a time loop?" *rolls eyes*

i know this is an ongoing thing but it just takes so much longer to DO LITERALLY ANYTHING on this ship in this seriez because everyone has to use the right tone & let everyone’s voice be heard and omg this episode would be half as long on a normally fuctioning ship that just fucking takes orders lol

covert anti-woke series in the guise of a woke one

kind of fond indulgent lol at the idea that I am invested enough in these characters and their GROWTH to welcome a time-travelling retrospective looking back on how much they've all changed

like, the robot woman who not a day goes by that we don't think about - I could barely remember her - although I looked her up and remembered that she was a completely anonymous character until she got given a back-story about 5 seconds before she was killed off

totally!

Remember Michael and Spock talking about their feelings and childhood trauma for ten important minutes when they were supposed to be saving all of human existence? lol

he was a completely anonymous character until she got given a back-story about 5 seconds before she was killed off

Haaha yes that bit was the worst. I was all "wait, did I miss an episode or 2? Who is this again!?"

death of robot lady episode is the only thing i can remember about this show that isn't jason isaacs or michelle yeoh

did they get isaacs back for this last season - isn't his non-mirror-version unaccounted for? failure if not

Watching the time travel episode and just… why?

So, we finally see under the Breen's helmets. And apparently they can speak regular human language and not just cyborg brrtzz sounds. And have two faces?

Not sure I cared much for the "love uber alles" tone of the episode re Moll and L'ak, but hey, some interesting things thrown up by the ISS enterprise showing up and finding out what likely happened to much of its crew.

Still finding the whole fetchquesty structure a bit on the nose.

Actually I dont think I got all of the ISS storyline - was some of it from TOS? I havent seen much of that.

I think their default state is a… vapor? That’s contained by the suits and it takes effort to keep solid form? The other Breen said something like that.

I was confused by it because the entire vibe between them has been unrequited love, that she was using his puppy dog eyes to keep him as her crime partner.

Oh is that what it was! I dont know why I didnt get that lol.

oh man i can barely watch this… feels like a parody of the most boring “planet of hessian robe-wearing villagers” ep of stargate

Was neat hearing them bring up the Denobulans seeing as I've been watching ENT recently haha. I thought it was a nice enough episode - I loved the concept of the language.

The time travel episode - first episode I've seen since the early thir season - was very mid but entertaining enough that I'll watch the rest of the season.

I think the new ST shows are going to carry on in this future world? I haven't figured out how it works yet.

It's a bit weird that they presented the whistling language as a totally alien concept when every few years NPR runs a story like
https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2015/09/26/443434027/in-a-turkish-village-a-conversation-with-whistles-not-words

Also jarring to see Spanish presented in their funky Papyrus-y subtitle font.

On the plus side, Cronenberg with his stash of legal pads is lending more credence to that character actually being time-stranded David Cronenberg.

i liked this episode because it was mostly self-contained & about something other than them? i mean it was pretty stock standard off-world stuff but at least it’s not “manic shakeycam on the bridge”

Yeah whats the go with Cronenburg, I'm wondering if he's a Q.

feel bad for being a grump about an ep people actually enjoyed! but the struggle was real, maybe i am running out of Disco energy

Good episode this week, lots of action and callbacks.

When they talked about the library that changed locations a lot all I could think of was "where is Xur" from Destiny haha. Reno was great in that scene, she is criminally underused in the show.

"Seven of Limes" cocktail made me actually lol.

Next clue located in the Badlands! mentioned year 2371 which apparently is the year Voyager left DS9 in season 1*, so something's gotta happen around that next week! Will DS9 still be there? Or a Maquis colony? Maybe a caretaker? I know it wont be The Sisko cos Avery Brooks refuses to have anything to do with ST anymore does he (mores the pity).

*I'm not that much of a nerd, someone on reddit ST pointed this one out.