'popeye' was definitely my pejorative statement for a lot of BM vocalists back in the 90s, until I realized most of my favs also sounded like him
― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 9 April 2024 21:29 (five months ago) link
why a duck
Because they're Christian metal, and Lord love a duck
― Halfway there but for you, Tuesday, 9 April 2024 21:34 (five months ago) link
Honestly, a metal vocalist who went full spluttering Donald Duck would be pretty amazing.― Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson)
― Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson)
not a metal vocalist, but scott walker on "the escape" does the most terrifying donald duck impression i have ever heard
admittedly i haven't heard any other donald duck impressions i could describe as "terrifying"
as far as ultimatum goes, i do genuinely feel bad for the vocalist - i mean, i got a speech impediment myself.
having said that, first, if someone wrote a review of my christian metal band's album and made fun of me for talking like donald duck, i wouldn't go after the person who said it. i mean if you're reviewing the record and the singer has a speech impediment it seems reasonably fair to point it out. my speech impediment is a large part of the reason i'm not a christian metal band singer. i mean, it's more important to me that i'm not a christian and i'm a pretty bad singer, but the speech impediment is definitely in there.
the best metal version of the popeye theme i've heard is on chunktrade's 2003 demo.
― Kate (rushomancy), Tuesday, 9 April 2024 21:34 (five months ago) link
i am a fan of the early 1970s australian band "duck"
just... a weird lineup or contemporary rock covers. "maybe i'm amazed"... sure... "southern man"... ok... "dog breath"?!? "memo from turner"? "the man in me"? shit gets weird.
― Kate (rushomancy), Tuesday, 9 April 2024 21:38 (five months ago) link
hitting the ball at an outfielders head so it bounces out for a home run
― brimstead, Wednesday, 10 April 2024 15:38 (five months ago) link
Usually requires at least one (1) Canseco ranging the outfield, but a good strategy if available.
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 10 April 2024 15:43 (five months ago) link
I don't know about happiness. Most of the assholes I know are mostly "smugly complacent" or "blissfully ignorant". Maybe that's happiness, I don't know. I'm pretty happy and I'm not a duck.-- Gear! (drink_to_remembe...), May 19th, 2004 12:17 PM. (Gear!) (later)--------------------------------------------------------------------------------not a dick. DICK-- Gear! (drink_to_remembe...), May 19th, 2004 12:18 PM. (Gear!) (later)― Ask For Samantha (thatgirl), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 16:19 (nineteen years ago) bookmarkflaglink
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not a dick. DICK-- Gear! (drink_to_remembe...), May 19th, 2004 12:18 PM. (Gear!) (later)
― Ask For Samantha (thatgirl), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 16:19 (nineteen years ago) bookmarkflaglink
From a v.old Excelsior post...
― Mark G, Wednesday, 10 April 2024 16:00 (five months ago) link
the worlds mildest edgelord
― il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Thursday, 11 April 2024 00:36 (five months ago) link
i don't think an apology is necessary but i do think our society might be a little nicer if people were willing to acknowledge when they were wrong about something
― na (NA), Thursday, 11 April 2024 19:40 (five months ago) link
I KNOW WHY HE DID IT!!! NUH UH, I DO!!!
― budo jeru, Thursday, 11 April 2024 19:41 (five months ago) link
― na (NA), Thursday, April 11, 2024 3:40 PM bookmarkflaglink
look I'm sorry I said what I said about the Cubs
― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Thursday, 11 April 2024 19:51 (five months ago) link
https://i.postimg.cc/RZ04LcTR/IMG-7468.jpg
― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Friday, 12 April 2024 07:49 (five months ago) link
How do you all find the time to figure out who these weirdos are? Seems exhausting.
― il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Friday, 12 April 2024 11:33 (five months ago) link
throw that hot dog down the hallway of justice
― Cemetry Gaetz (DJP), Friday, 12 April 2024 14:41 (five months ago) link
somehow knew DJP was gonna score that obvious goal, lol...i thought about it
― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Friday, 12 April 2024 16:16 (five months ago) link
the writers that are good thread reminded me that a writer has to at least be a little gay to be good. not that the gays aren't incapable of producing ridiculous garbage but there's just a natural advantage in knowing that the world as it's presented to you isn't necessarily the truth
― ivy., Friday, 12 April 2024 20:44 (five months ago) link
I put 'mad psychedelic party in 2006' into one of those ai picture generators and it gave me this, which doesn't look very 2006, more like a bad 90s alt-something album cover
https://api.deepai.org/job-view-file/4dd221cb-5095-4e99-9fa6-eae256d4d512/outputs/output.jpg
― soref, Wednesday, 17 April 2024 12:58 (five months ago) link
― soref, Wednesday, 17 April 2024 12:59 (five months ago) link
The thing is, I'm never sure how to receive your political opinions/judgments, because they omit so much context (taken here to mean "the reality of life on Earth") that they're really nothing but "assume a can opener" rhetorical jacking-off. The position you stake out in virtually every political discussion here, no matter the specific circumstance you're commenting on, is never, ever going to happen, and I'm sure you know that. Which makes me wonder how you can get so frothy-mouthed about condemning anyone attempting to propose strategies that lie within the boundaries of "things that might actually happen in the society we currently inhabit." Like, where do you think the whole "join me in my dream world or you're a fascist!" thing gets anyone, you included?
― Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Monday, 22 April 2024 21:43 (five months ago) link
sorry bro
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Monday, 22 April 2024 21:47 (five months ago) link
love how self-congratulatory cynicism and insulting people who believe in change can so easily stand in for a political position for some on this board
― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Monday, 22 April 2024 22:06 (five months ago) link
unperson is like an exasperated parent, telling the kid to turn that loud noise off lol
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 22 April 2024 22:11 (five months ago) link
Tbf, the noise can get pretty loud
― H.P, Monday, 22 April 2024 23:57 (five months ago) link
But also table otm, and the cynicical view that "change ain't gonna happen so it's no use fighting for it" is exactly the view that enables the, often terrible, status quo. And it should be challenged
― H.P, Tuesday, 23 April 2024 00:00 (five months ago) link
the cynical view that "change ain't gonna happen so it's no use fighting for it"
Change — positive change, even — happens all the time. Just today, the Biden administration announced a new rule which states that doctors cannot give patients' medical records to law enforcement in other states. So if someone from Texas travels to Colorado for an abortion, doctors in Colorado will not be permitted to give Texas law enforcement that patient's medical records.
But the kind of "change" advocated around here is too often along the lines of "if we can get everyone to give up capitalism, heteronormativity, and monotheistic religion, everything will be great! and anything short of that is a worthless capitulation to the forces of evil!" Which serves nothing and no one.
― Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Tuesday, 23 April 2024 00:13 (five months ago) link
OTM
― octobeard, Tuesday, 23 April 2024 00:17 (five months ago) link
xp well, your example of positive change exists in the context of a massive rollback of rights occurring under a Democratic administration, sure, it's something, but I don't blame people for wanting more.
― JoeStork, Tuesday, 23 April 2024 00:37 (five months ago) link
I dunno unperson, that sounds like some broad brushwork that doesn’t take into consideration and sincerity and specificity of said posters. If you want to reduce it all down to “kill capitalism, heteronormativity, monotheism”, that’s your choice. But I more often see actual helpful critique and analysis of specific events. YMMV
― H.P, Tuesday, 23 April 2024 00:54 (five months ago) link
i don't know where this thread comes from... i don't usually do the politics threads... but since it's here, and because i'm feeling particularly helpless and hopeless this week, i'll go ahead and engage
xp well, your example of positive change exists in the context of a massive rollback of rights occurring under a Democratic administration, sure, it's something, but I don't blame people for wanting more.― JoeStork
― JoeStork
for me it's first and foremost a question of _trust_ - "do i trust these people to speak for me, to act on my behalf?" for me, since 2016, that answer has been fundamentally "no". there are a couple of reasons here:
1. perceived/demonstrated lack of efficacy. the one thing which broke my faith in democracy, in the democratic party, more than anything else was clinton's failure to _beat trump_. i think your point also goes to this, joe - for decades one of the democrats' key priorities has been to protect roe v. wade, and they failed to do that. democrats i suppose will argue that they did everything they reasonably could. i disagree. in light of that, making a temporary administrative change which can and will be rolled back immediately the second any republican gets into office... i won't say it's _worthless_, but of significantly lesser value to me than, say, roe v. wade being the law of the united states was.
one of my big beefs with the democrats is that they continually let their adversaries shift the goalposts. republicans break _the rules_, get away with it, and then those are the "rules" which the democrats then try to play by. i had in me a very strong streak of realpolitik - i was willing to excuse a great deal in the name of _winning_. democrats' chief priority to me seems to be to minimize threats to their internal institutional power structure. anybody can be a democrat - as long as they're ok with doing things the DNC's way.
in other words, my subjective perception is that the DNC is able to enforce power and control within the confines of the democratic party, but not outside of those confines. this is not a recipe for a strategically robust organization, imo.
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But the kind of "change" advocated around here is too often along the lines of "if we can get everyone to give up capitalism, heteronormativity, and monotheistic religion, everything will be great! and anything short of that is a worthless capitulation to the forces of evil!" Which serves nothing and no one.― Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson)
i mean i'm gonna be honest my denunciation of capitalism, cisheteronormativity, and repressive patriarchal religion is to a large part born out of frustration. i can't say that the biden administration _hasn't_ done anything for me. i have had for years had the chance to fill out paperwork to update the gender on my social security card. i mean it's nice but the idea of bureaucratic paperwork fills me with dread. i haven't done it. there's this huge rush among people i know - if you need to do something, get it done before november. get your surgeries done, your paperwork updated, your passports in order, because after november, you might not have the chance. i just don't have my shit together enough. i don't know where my passport is. one more of a million things on my backlog. and i guess if i don't do it, i might wind up dying because of that. that should motivate me. it doesn't.
ideas, words... they're easy when one has no real power, no real choice in one's own life. yelling about capitalism is, well. i don't know how else to describe it. people around me are suffering and hurt, and none of us have enough, and none of us are truly able to help each other effectively. we need more. more money, more of a social safety net, more opportunities, more access to disability, more _respect_. and, simultaneously, we need less. fewer people calling us "faggots" on the streets. fewer people misgendering us. we need people to have less _access_ to hateful, bigoted lies about us, we need there to be less _acceptance_ of these things.
well, that all sounds very selfish and entitled, and it is, because, i mean, we're not the only ones suffering. i talk about what trans people need and of course we're not the only marginalized group, probably not even the _most_ marginalized group. so many people are suffering in the same way and the only way i can think to talk about it is by abstraction, is by looking at the common forces of oppression. capitalism. cisheteronormativity. patriarchy. i'm not saying these things as _immediate calls to action_. i'm not saying these things to negate or disregard the very real personal, daily conflicts that affect even people who are strongly politically aligned.
if we can't agree on everything, if we can't always work together, i just... i'd like to believe that we can agree on _something_, something _meaningful_. that we can have a common cause. a better common cause than whatever watered-down intellectually and emotionally bankrupt mishmash the DNC leadership is offering.
― Kate (rushomancy), Tuesday, 23 April 2024 01:50 (five months ago) link
if we can't agree on everything, if we can't always work together, i just... i'd like to believe that we can agree on _something_, something _meaningful_. that we can have a common cause.
There are always meaningful points of agreement. They can be as small as, "So-and-so needs help paying the rent. Can you kick in?" or "We need a better library. Vote Yes on the ballot initiative, please." This is why I wish the empty-headed fucks who launch ego-driven "presidential campaigns" would run for city council instead. Do some actual goddamn work to make people's lives materially better, instead of preening on Twitter and/or cable news. And this is why I have no time for talk of sweeping change. It's not coming. But small change absolutely is. There's work to be done every day. If you've got time to lean, you've got time to clean. Hell, I (in my guise as Burning Ambulance) am a member of the Chamber of Commerce! And a member of my local electrical co-op. I have a voice in local issues! I get emails about public hearings about stuff like replacing the bridge that the Montana DOT decided is no longer safe for pedestrian or vehicle traffic. Now we gotta figure out what we're gonna do about that, and where the money's gonna come from. That shit is important — way more important than railing against capitalism on the internet.
― Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Tuesday, 23 April 2024 02:20 (five months ago) link
Lots of ppl preening on twitter are actually doing the work, they just have a longer term view of what it's for.
And bigger change is absolutely coming via climate change, and in many of our lifetimes. Lol @ "voting for a library". You are praying that's all you'll have to do.
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 23 April 2024 06:21 (five months ago) link
I don't think we should tell anyone what to believe or how to approach the world, on the other hand people should know better than to weaponize their positions as if they were final and fit for all purposes. Unperson is right that long-term is meaningless if there is no short-term path to it, and that you have to work with what you have, no matter how sad/frustrating/humbling that is - more than grand declarations or ideology, that's the essence of politics.
Also we're all commenters here, if there's a politician here I haven't heard. We don't even live in the same countries. So we don't have to defend our little persona / "line" and we can be a little more chill.
― Nabozo, Tuesday, 23 April 2024 07:02 (five months ago) link
"more than grand declarations or ideology, that's the essence of politics"
Sorry to break it to you but there is a declaration of ideology there from unperson.
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 23 April 2024 09:40 (five months ago) link
I hate it when he's otm
― H.P, Tuesday, 23 April 2024 10:00 (five months ago) link
Helping to stop the world from burning up + running an electrical co-op are not mutually exclusive idk
― the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 23 April 2024 10:14 (five months ago) link
unperson, as I have said on this board numerous times, I volunteer for several mutual aid orgs and contribute bits of what little money i have to orgs, too. your characterization of me is utter bullshit. believe it or not, making grand pronouncements and holding ideological firmness can be completely in line with doing on the ground, “small potatoes “ work. i do the latter because i want the change exhibited in my ideological positions to come to pass. for example, i work with Food Not Bombs every two weeks and also deliver meals once a month for another organization. this is not glamorous work, but it is about helping my neighbors and others who are housebound get what they need in terms of nutrition and sustenance. this shouldn’t be an issue in the richest country on earth, and yet it is. the small acts of kindness and compassion lead me to the larger issues of food apartheid and inequality, which are systemic issues that need to change.THIS is the way my world works, and if you don’t care for how i express my views about it, then fucking killfile me already, or fuck off with these attacks.
― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Tuesday, 23 April 2024 11:27 (five months ago) link
_I have a voice in local issues! I get emails about public hearings about stuff like replacing the bridge that the Montana DOT decided is no longer safe for pedestrian or vehicle traffic. Now we gotta figure out what we're gonna do about that, and where the money's gonna come from. That shit is important — way more important than railing against capitalism on the internet.
― sarahell, Tuesday, 23 April 2024 11:43 (five months ago) link
In my experience of organising, mutual aid and such I would say there's def a big overlap between ppl doing important short term local work and ppl who talk a lot about abolishing capitalism, the patriarchy and etc. Not all of them by any means but it's certainly a common combo.
No doubt people who talk a lot about abolishing capitalism and do absolutely nothing also exist, but to jump to the conclusion that someone on ILX talking about these things must belong to that group falls under the old Making Up A Guy To Get Mad At routine.
The reason you'll hear more about systemic change than short term local action on ILX I think would be obvious - this is a discussion forum and as such ideally suited to abstract discussions.
― Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 23 April 2024 11:53 (five months ago) link
Also I recently read this older issue of n+1 that had an interesting essay about leftism and affect theory and hopelessness… by Gabriel Winant… it is relevant to this discussion idk if anyone else read it
― sarahell, Tuesday, 23 April 2024 11:55 (five months ago) link
Good points by Daniel
― H.P, Tuesday, 23 April 2024 11:56 (five months ago) link
Granted in the space of organizing and community work, there are people who do more talking than working and focus on meetings and make the perfect the enemy of the good … but for the most part, Daniel otm ime
― sarahell, Tuesday, 23 April 2024 12:00 (five months ago) link
I like Winant, but I've not read that essay. Will look later thanks Sarah
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 23 April 2024 12:10 (five months ago) link
I feel good knowing you like them, xyzzz! No sarcasm
― sarahell, Tuesday, 23 April 2024 12:17 (five months ago) link
V1nce Crudele
No, he seems to be over in Helena, which is about 350 miles from me.
― Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Tuesday, 23 April 2024 12:59 (five months ago) link
No doubt people who talk a lot about abolishing capitalism and do absolutely nothing also exist
Er, hello! To be fair, I don't very often talk about abolishing capitalism, I do do absolutely nothing though.
― Not waving but droning (Tom D.), Tuesday, 23 April 2024 13:02 (five months ago) link
he said doodoo
― ain't nothin but a brie thing, baby (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 23 April 2024 13:09 (five months ago) link
_ V1nce Crudele_No, he seems to be over in Helena, which is about 350 miles from me.
― sarahell, Tuesday, 23 April 2024 13:21 (five months ago) link
There are always meaningful points of agreement. They can be as small as, "So-and-so needs help paying the rent. Can you kick in?"
what happens when the answer is "no", always "no"? do you know how many of my friends are homeless? do you know how many of my friends are unemployed, possibly unemployable? do you know the joke about "mutual aid" around here? "mutual aid" is passing around the same $20 bill, over and over again. there isn't _enough_, nobody has _enough_ for us to all be, you know, _housed_.
i mean, what you're doing, what you're doing is good. we need libraries. that's where a lot of us go when we need to apply for aid or apply for jobs, and the answer is nearly always "no" but we keep trying. making bridges safe for pedestrian traffic? that's good. that's important.
talking shit on the internet may seem stupid and pointless, but sometimes it's the closest a lot of us get to feeling... i don't know. empowered in our lives. it gets people to _notice_ us. that can be a double edged sword, but for those of us who put "OF in bio" in our usernames... i think it's important to respect the hustle.
we all got our own ways of doing things, all got our own ways of making meaning in this godforsaken world of ours.
― Kate (rushomancy), Tuesday, 23 April 2024 14:41 (five months ago) link
There’s probably some people on ilx who could make a salient point about realpolitik & electoralism and their irritation at ilx’s marginalised people having the temerity to express their anger at the constantly degrading situations they live in. The old white guy who makes a living from his “writing” while living in fucking Montana? Do you hear yourself? Evidently not. Probably easier to push the value incrementalism when you’re going to be dead sooner than the rest of us.
― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Tuesday, 23 April 2024 16:00 (five months ago) link
An alternative view of record store owners:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vJBBpadaGg
― Dr Drudge (Bob Six), Tuesday, 23 April 2024 16:30 (five months ago) link