US Politics, April 2024: "Are You Better Off Today Than You Were <Checks Notes> Four Years Ago?"

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Rockers Meets King Tubby In A Fiery House Scrum

Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Thursday, 18 April 2024 17:37 (two months ago) link

lol here from me too

Are you addicted to struggling with your horse? (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 18 April 2024 17:39 (two months ago) link

I'm just curious -- what happens if we don't get a Farm Bill?

Ima Gardener (in orbit), Thursday, 18 April 2024 17:42 (two months ago) link

van Orden is an angry drunk

underminer of twenty years of excellent contribution to this borad (dan m), Thursday, 18 April 2024 17:46 (two months ago) link

what happens if we don't get a Farm Bill?

something involving pitchforks and torches I think

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 18 April 2024 17:47 (two months ago) link

Anyway, adding to overall totals, a GOP baby is leaving the House (allegedly because of his own kids but come on, this guy's what, 15?)

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 18 April 2024 17:59 (two months ago) link

Separately, oh my fucking god:

Conservatives in the House Freedom Caucus are signing up to take shifts to monitor the chamber floor in order to prevent their own party leaders from making unilateral moves that could curb their power.

The Freedom Caucus’ Floor Action Response Team, shorthanded as “FART,” aims to guard against an unannounced request to pass resolutions that would stealthily limit their leverage against leadership, according to two Republicans with direct knowledge, who were granted anonymity to speak candidly.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 18 April 2024 17:59 (two months ago) link

The idea stinks.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 18 April 2024 18:00 (two months ago) link

The last thing you want skulking around a crowded chamber floor is a stealthy FART.

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 18 April 2024 18:03 (two months ago) link

Rotten, unwanted, causes upset unless expelled, gaseous, I'd say it's a good sign of self-awareness.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 18 April 2024 18:03 (two months ago) link

I mean, is this new or different or something? They object to every fucking thing

Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 18 April 2024 18:08 (two months ago) link

not a big surprise, but Kerry Kennedy, RFK Jr.'s sister, is doing a big endorsement for Joe Biden on behalf of the Kennedy family

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Thursday, 18 April 2024 18:08 (two months ago) link

xpost Per the story, it's pretty clear that a lot of other GOP types are increasingly fed up with them, so I suspect this IS new in a sense of 'we may be getting shanked here.'

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 18 April 2024 18:12 (two months ago) link

Then again -- hilariously -- their majority is so small and everything so down to the wire that, as Gaetz rather correctly was quoted as saying, "Talking about changing the threshold to the motion to vacate [the speakership] is likely to induce the motion to vacate."

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 18 April 2024 18:13 (two months ago) link

Imagine going up to your colleagues and asking “do you want to be on the FART”

Cemetry Gaetz (DJP), Thursday, 18 April 2024 19:09 (two months ago) link

Well, I think we all know what the proper response is (either way)

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 18 April 2024 19:11 (two months ago) link

Ice Spice for Speaker

Third in line after President Swift and VP Del Rey.

nah Vice Spice all the way

Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Thursday, 18 April 2024 19:26 (two months ago) link

come on right the FART
and ride it
(pew, pew)

ain't nothin but a brie thing, baby (Neanderthal), Thursday, 18 April 2024 19:54 (two months ago) link

*ride

ain't nothin but a brie thing, baby (Neanderthal), Thursday, 18 April 2024 19:54 (two months ago) link

RIGHT THE FART STOP THE STEAL

Leave the fart, take the cannoli, etc.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 18 April 2024 20:02 (two months ago) link

Meanwhile via WaPo, more on this whole thing:

A verbal altercation erupted on the House floor Thursday morning when Rep. Derrick Van Orden (R-Wis.) got into a heated argument, aggressively daring members of the Freedom Caucus to introduce their measure to oust Johnson and calling Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.) “tubby,” according to a person who witnessed the argument. Gaetz responded by asking Van Orden if he has an I.Q. over 40, a Gaetz spokesperson said.

Van Orden was at the Jan. 6 “Save America “rally and recently reamed out high school interns for laying on the floor of the Capitol rotunda to take in the frescos.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 18 April 2024 20:44 (two months ago) link

I love the smell of GOP infighting in the morning

Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 18 April 2024 20:48 (two months ago) link

incredibly, the second time the acronym FART made an appearance in conservative politics since 2018: https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-draft-bill-to-abandon-wto-rules-dubbed-the-fart-act-2018-7

ain't nothin but a brie thing, baby (Neanderthal), Thursday, 18 April 2024 20:59 (two months ago) link

It ain’t infighting you’re smelling

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 18 April 2024 21:09 (two months ago) link

I seem to recall the Fresno Area Rapid Transit getting pretty far along in the acronym process for the sides of the buses before someone noticed

Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 18 April 2024 21:14 (two months ago) link

I feel like when the campaign to name MARTA popped up, my dad was reading through a lot of the public suggestions from the newspaper and one of them was one like From Atlanta Right Through

ain't nothin but a brie thing, baby (Neanderthal), Thursday, 18 April 2024 21:16 (two months ago) link

A friend has written an interesting essay grappling with "what if Trump wins?". This is the meat of it, but there's more:

We are being sold an image of the future that comes from people who have no experience of the kind of tyranny they assure us Trump intends to inflict on us, unless it is as enthusiastic cheerleaders of the United States inflicting it on other countries. The narrative is that we will wake up the morning after the election to find jackbooted thugs roaming the streets, executing dissidents, throwing minorities into concentration camps, calling off elections, punishing political enemies with jail or death, and ignoring or overturning the law willy-nilly. We will go from zero to Hitler in the space of a single day.

The problem with this narrative isn’t that Trump isn’t a genuine authoritarian threat; he is. The problem isn’t that fascism isn’t on the rise both at home and abroad; it is. The problem isn’t even that a lot of Americans would be perfectly happy to vote a strongman into power; they are (though the Democrats have a lot less interest in actual democracy than they lay claim to). The problem is that this isn’t how fascism happens. It didn’t happen this way anywhere genuine fascism arose; it didn’t happen in Spain, it didn’t happen in Japan, it didn’t happen in Italy, and it didn’t happen in Germany, which is the one historical fascism liberals ever talk about. And it won’t happen that way here, either, no matter who wins the next election.

Those of us on the left with an actual material analysis know that the wishes of the voting public are largely irrelevant in America. While Trump is willing to push the country towards fascism, is he able? It’s a serious question, and it deserves serious thought and analysis instead of a worst-case scenario meant to do nothing but preserve an already-rotten status quo. Much more of it than most people are willing to contemplate will come down to what the people with real power — the moneymen — decide to do. They don’t really like Trump, for a number of reasons. For one thing, they can spot a phony a mile off, especially when it’s one of their own. For another, they were willing to put up with him for years as long as he was good for business and he let them operate in peace. But while light authoritarianism is generally good for business, full-blown fascism is not.

With his base shrinking and becoming more extremist — and, crucially, less likely to ally with wealthy elites — the split between the wealthy corporate interests and the less class-loyal true believers in the Republican Party becomes more pronounced. The bosses and the CEO class will have to do what they have always done in times of growing right-wing reaction: They have to make a bet on fascism being worth it. That is, they have to decide if the hassles they think Trump will spare them (taxation, labor troubles, government regulation, bad attention from the press, foreign entanglements) will outweigh the hassles Trump will cause them (widespread social unease, trade issues, mass violence that isn’t easily ignored, a lack of legal redress if things go sideways, and the constant worry that the bribed won’t stay bribed). This is particularly true if Trump — who they are canny enough to know is a world-class grudge-holder — really does intend to upend the legal system that they have so painstakingly learned to bend to their own advantage.

They have good reason to believe that Trump will become nakedly corrupt rather than merely generally well-disposed to big capital; they are listening to what he says just as much as liberals are. (Many of them are liberals themselves, of course.) They don’t relish the idea of being cut out of the sweetheart deals they rely on in favor of Trump’s chosen cronies. This isn’t a new phenomenon; capital always places these wagers when authoritarianism is on the rise, but they don’t always make the right bet. It’s hard to guess which way they’ll go, particularly now that some of the big-money operators are tech people who have become true believers to the hindrance of the bottom line.

So it’s not just a question of how, say, Clarence Thomas will roll if Trump manages to make the Supreme Court the ultimate arbiter of his presidential chances. It’s likely he’ll dance with the ones that brung him; he’s constitutionally inclined towards authoritarianism. He also won’t live much longer, certainly not long enough to face any consequences if Trump’s reign falls short of the thousand-year mark the way fascist regimes usually do. But he does have a keen sense of self-preservation, and he has to have wondered how much pull he’d really have if Trump — or a Trump-adjacent brute who takes racism a lot more seriously than he does — just decides to be done with him once and for all. We might even wonder what the people paying his bills think he should do, and if their answer differs from his own.

It’s also a question of how many disparate elements of the American machine will react if an open authoritarian wins. We are often led to assume that when such a leader comes to power, a switch labeled FASCISM gets flipped and we wake up the next morning in 1939 Berlin. But a lot of people with a lot of power — none of whom, it should go without saying, include us or, likely, anyone we know or care about — are going to have to make some tough decisions if Trump wins the presidency and his cronies try to functionally end the nominal democratic system we have in America.

He obviously can’t govern by force; we have seen the kind of people who are willing to do violence on his behalf, and they are few in number and low in competence. It is by no means certain that the military would support him wholesale; the rank and file soldiers will have lots of conflicted feelings if they are given the charge of domestic repression, particularly if — as is likely — it will be directed at Spanish-speaking populations, while the brass has seen how quickly he’s willing to sell them out if they don’t toe the line. Cops tend to like him institutionally, but our police aren’t federalized and it would take a lot of doing to make them so, which means we have a lot of unconnected, disjointed communities with no effective coordination and plenty of reasons not to take on heavier duties than just locking up more minorities than usual.

We’ve already talked about the moneymen. The church isn’t the power it used to be, and there’s a lot of uncertainty about him in those ranks as well, given the varying cultural and ethical issues in a country that has no single dominant religious sect. Trump’s constant bitching about the Deep State suggests he doesn’t have the national security apparatus entirely sewn up, and every elected official, judge, bureaucrat, and government employee will be making their own bets that he’ll both return their loyalty and never lose in a way that will make them face any consequences. The fact that judges in two states — neither of which are particularly liberal — have issued rulings finding him ineligible to run again suggests that maybe the whole country isn’t willing to sacrifice the system for the sake of one pissy old blowhard.

The only cohort he has set in stone is the exurban white bourgeois, and while they are the north star of post-war America, they may not be enough to support and maintain a mass reshaping of the way the country functions. Even a lot of elements of the Republican right want a government that basically doesn’t work, not one that’s been given the maximum of unaccountable power. None of this is to say that a worst-case-scenario Trump win wouldn’t be awful, or that it wouldn’t result in unspeakable misery, or won’t lead to something even worse; what would harm the country more — an authoritarian Trump presidency, or a military coup meant to prevent an authoritarian Trump presidency? It is only to say that the assumption that Trump’s victory is both inevitable and sure to result in an immediate fascist turn that will irrevocably disrupt American society, the American state, and the way America works is a faulty assumption that relies on the belief that it’s a lot easier to wreak massive change in this country than it is.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Thursday, 18 April 2024 22:53 (two months ago) link

He's one of those leftists whose greatest enemy is the Democratic Party, but he makes some points nonetheless.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Thursday, 18 April 2024 22:57 (two months ago) link

I agree with a lot of that but also don't see any of it as a reason to either a.) not vote, or b.) not vote for Biden, particularly in any kind of swing state. I think it's totally accurate to say that a Biden victory does not equal "good guys win." But obviously a Trump victory unequivocally means "bad guys win." We might hate that choice on principle, but it's still the choice.

Better than doing another "Bush vs. Gore: what's the difference?".

paisley got boring (Eazy), Thursday, 18 April 2024 23:10 (two months ago) link

yeah, with trump - you get miller, maybe bannon, a whole bunch true villains. Not the case with Biden

Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 18 April 2024 23:14 (two months ago) link

Biden has offered me way much more to vote for than Clinton did at this point.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 19 April 2024 00:00 (two months ago) link

Hard to overstate how rare it is for the House minority to vote to rescue an otherwise failing RULE in committee. Unheard of in modern times. Rules are typically partisan affairs tied to majority party control of the chamber. This has the hallmarks of a coalition government. https://t.co/kyxFb6HCKf

— Sahil Kapur (@sahilkapur) April 19, 2024

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 19 April 2024 12:45 (two months ago) link

Gotta keep those guns running

Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Friday, 19 April 2024 13:50 (two months ago) link

The Biden administration expanded federal protections across millions of acres of Alaskan wilderness on Friday, blocking oil, gas and mining operations in some of the most unspoiled land in the country.

The Interior Department said it would deny a permit for an industrial road that the state of Alaska had wanted to build through the Gates of the Arctic National Park and Preserve in order to reach a large copper deposit with an estimated value of $7.5 billion. It also announced it would ban drilling in more than half of the 23-million-acre National Petroleum Reserve-Alaska, an ecologically sensitive expanse north of the Arctic Circle.

Together, the two moves amount to one of biggest efforts in history to shield Alaskan land from drilling and mining. They are expected to face challenges from industry as well as from elected leaders in Alaska, where oil and gas revenues make up much of the state’s budget and where mining is a main driver of the economy.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 19 April 2024 15:01 (two months ago) link

Rep. Eric Burlison: “Johnson has become - his reputation, his history, his legacy, will be the Speaker who got things done with Democrats. Unfortunately, that’s a fact. I don’t even recognize the person that I once called a friend.” pic.twitter.com/NpDlptY37m

— Ron Filipkowski (@RonFilipkowski) April 19, 2024

pretty wild how the GOP is just openly more disposed towards hostile nations and terrorist groups than they are the Democrats

frogbs, Friday, 19 April 2024 16:38 (two months ago) link

They see Democrats as 'the enemy within the gates' instead of as their more liberal-minded neighbors.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 19 April 2024 16:56 (two months ago) link

Ol' Newt has thoughts! (I am amused at how clearly he loathes Gaetz, who is as much his descendant as anyone.)

Ned Raggett, Friday, 19 April 2024 17:37 (two months ago) link

Newt sorta 'gets' it (as far as it is possible for Newt to 'get' anything):

"He has 30 or 40 members who ideologically wake up every morning knowing that they’re gonna vote no — they’re not sure what the issue is, but they know they’re going to vote no. And then he’s got this last 30 or 40 [members] who need to do something to go on TV and send out fundraising emails, and they don’t frankly care if they screw up our party or the country, if that’s what it takes for them to be so important."

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 19 April 2024 17:46 (two months ago) link

If you are an elected official lamenting the fact that government is functioning on some level, please just go ahead and feed yourself into a meat grinder so no one else has to do it for you.

I'm so utterly sick of people responding to petulance as if it's a valid method of expression for adults to employ rather than just telling these puling pieces of shit to shut the fuck up as many times as it takes until they actually shut the fuck up. Broadening indulgence of adult babies is Trump's most pernicious legacy imo.

Great-Tasting Burger Perceptions (Old Lunch), Friday, 19 April 2024 17:51 (two months ago) link

apparently someone self immolated in front of the (Trump trial) courthouse in New York

just like Christopher Wray said (brownie), Friday, 19 April 2024 17:53 (two months ago) link

What are you going to do? Are we going to run around every day, stick your finger up in the air and see whether or not Matt Gaetz blows on it?

Thanks for this image, Newt.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 19 April 2024 17:54 (two months ago) link

The great love they have for each other, demonstrated.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 19 April 2024 17:58 (two months ago) link

Anna Paulina Luna says she has been told that as soon as a Motion to Vacate is brought to the floor, at least two moderate Republicans will resign immediately rather than wait until end of their term to flip the House to the Democrats. pic.twitter.com/DyXNDTXrJu

— Ron Filipkowski (@RonFilipkowski) April 19, 2024

fwiw

Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Friday, 19 April 2024 18:45 (two months ago) link

Interesting form of threat to keep Gaetz, Greene & Co immobilized.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 19 April 2024 18:49 (two months ago) link

Huh

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 19 April 2024 19:17 (two months ago) link


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