Israel/Palestine post 10/7 - follow-on events/thoughts as relate to other countries

Solid piece by Michelle Goldberg: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/18/opinion/columbia-antisemitism-hearing.html?ugrp=c&unlocked_article_code=1.lk0.gMDT.rpyfUsAW9kxH&smid=url-share

Shafik appeared with two chairs of Columbia’s board of trustees, Claire Shipman and David Greenwald, and with David Schizer, a former dean of Columbia’s law school who is one of the chairs of the school’s antisemitism task force. The university, said Shipman, was taking steps to restrict student protests: “One of the excellent recommendations of our antisemitism task force is that they have said that if you are going to chant, it should only be in a certain place, so that people who don’t want to hear it are protected from having to hear it.”

Goldberg doesn't mention it, but Claire Shipman is ostensibly a journalist. OTOH she's married to one of Obama's old press secretaries.

And as at many other schools, some at Columbia have celebrated terrorism; in an ugly Oct. 8 essay repeatedly cited at the hearings, Massad, the anti-Zionist professor, wrote of “jubilation and awe” occasioned by the “innovative Palestinian resistance” of Oct. 7.

This bit of testimony was elicited by the aforementioned Tim "turn Gaza into Hiroshima" Walberg, if you want to calibrate this committee's level of hypocrisy.

Google apparently fired people for simply saying 'hello' to the protestors in the office or offering verbal support. California is an at-will employment state, but I think there will be some lawsuits over this because it sounds like retaliation.

https://www.thehandbasket.co/p/google-worker-fired-protest-israel-project-nimbus

Apparently people at my alma mater thought the poster advertising the spring weekend poster was anti-semitic and the student newspaper wrote an article about it, but only had one sentence about the anti-semitic complaints and several paragraphs of students complaining that they didn’t think the concert lineup was good

*spring weekend concert

we have to see the poster now

There are kinder ways to ask for sarah's photo

How much of an incentive Is there an incentive for - and route to - Netanyahu using Iran as a way of getting rid of Biden in November (via something like higher gas prices)

That might be a related benefit but part of the point to enlarge the war and keep it going because Netanyahu is facing trial and jail once it ends

i know sarahell in the real life!

it was a bad joke akm <3

That might be a related benefit but part of the point to enlarge the war and keep it going because Netanyahu is facing trial and jail once it ends

I think the incentives to keep Netanyahu away from trial are fairly well established and understood, this is kind of a side question.about whether theres also a perception getting rid of Biden might be a plus too. I say perception, because I dont know if it a sure fire thing that Trump would be a better bet, with the isolationist wing of the the republicans holding some sway and Biden being pretty pro-Israel (although not so much pro-Netanyahu, which may tie into any calculation regarding the trial factor)

Biden being “anti-Netanyahu” is a total fabrication, afaic. You can’t be against him if you materially support nearly everything he is doing. Total bullshit made to obscure Biden’s full-hearted support of a genocide.

I was referring more to Netanyahu's perception of Biden rather than mine

oh i didn’t even think that you were referencing your own beliefs, fwiw, but i appreciate that clarification

The markets are pretty cool on any war rn.

One of the remarkable things about all of the backwards and forwards missile strikes between Iran and Israel from the last week is how cool the oil markets have been to the whole story.

Oil prices barely moved in the last week and they shrugged off yesterday‘s strike by Israel… https://t.co/yhHsExt2Zm

— BenAris (@bneeditor) April 20, 2024

Not unsurprising given that only the consulate strike from either 'side' has really been anything more than a virtue signal

Ignore quotes around the word side, doesn't sit right

the isolationist wing of the the republicans holding some sway

Some posturing here. The conservatives are as reflexively pro-Israel as the Democratic establishment. If Trump announced he would support Netanyahu militarily, Matt Gaetz, Ted Cruz, Mike Johnson, et al would be onboard.

I agree its partially posturing, but what isn't currently clear is to what degree

https://www.columbiaspectator.com/opinion/2024/04/18/is-columbia-in-crisis

https://imgur.com/a/V61qDHQ

https://www.nydailynews.com/2024/04/21/as-columbia-protests-continue-university-rabbi-warns-jewish-students-to-stay-home/

"“in response, he says, to ‘just horrific’ videos of ‘protesters on campus calling for Jews to be killed, just off campus Jews being yelled at to ‘go back to Poland’,"

are these videos in wide circulation?

or, is this going to turn out to be people saying 'from the river to the sea' again

remind me what image host to use ... it's been forever since I did it and the old way no longer works apparently (not a bbcode problem btw)

I saw a video of some chanting of Kill Yourself and Death to America but it wasn't on a campus. I never know how seriously to take these things when there's no real indication of size

and it wasn't a TSOL show from the early 80s?

It was in Manhattan, I saw it when doing a twitter search on a pro-Israeli provocateur that the table is the table mentioned, in one of the replies. I don't like posting tweets when I'm not clear if misleading (only mentioned because in reference to akm). For me there's a gray area on things that happened but aren't representative, or are smaller in scale than they appear and I don't know how to accurately gauge stuff like that

“Death to America” is good not bad, and “Kill yourself” aimed at one person is NOT inherently antisemitic. It’s not great language, but I have certainly yelled it at cops before.

the Daily News is a right-wing rag and the idea that we’re entertaining propaganda from them is ludicrous.

I don't have particularly strong opinions on the former, or the latter for that matter - though I agree neither are anti-semitic and should have been clearer about that. I don't know that daily news is but you're probably right I shouldn't have posted without finding out more (something I usually do but was a response to akm).

I've seen the usual dipshits on twitter saying "Now Jews are not even allowed on college campuses" as if this Rabbi's declaration is a government edict or something

What is most infuriating is that many Jewish students and faculty are a part of these protests. The antisemitism of making a monolith of the Jewish people in service to Zionists ideology is craven and unhinged, and I cannot believe it is tolerated as much as it is.

"“in response, he says, to ‘just horrific’ videos of ‘protesters on campus calling for Jews to be killed, just off campus Jews being yelled at to ‘go back to Poland’,"

are these videos in wide circulation?

― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Sunday, April 21, 2024 1:00 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

I did see a video from Columbia that fit this description. It seemed like it was a small group a little away from the main protest site, and it’s always a little hard to tell if something precipitated it (although it wouldn’t be ok regardless). Both things can be true: that the main thrust of the protests is not antisemitic and that there are also antisemitic incidents.

What is most infuriating is that many Jewish students and faculty are a part of these protests. The antisemitism of making a monolith of the Jewish people in service to Zionists ideology is craven and unhinged, and I cannot believe it is tolerated as much as it is.

Yale students arrested, Harvard Yard getting closed due to protests; not sure how they don't realize that by arresting these protestors, they're simply causing these protests to grow and escalate

Thought this essay was really good:

For @parapraxis_mag I thought a little about student protests for Palestine, the securitization of universities, the rhetoric of “safety,” and the spectacular distractions of America’s libidinally charged obsession with the things that happen “on campus.”https://t.co/eftOP9QpKW

— samuel catlin (@lint_ax) April 22, 2024

Excellent article.

I’m glad we’ve finally moved on from liminally to libidinally this is progress

Nice

NYU faculty creating a ring around the Gaza solidarity encampment to protect their students after the school threatened mass arrest. So beautiful. pic.twitter.com/OgW21AM9nU

— Read Let This Radicalize You (@JoshuaPHilll) April 22, 2024

thanks for posting that essay, really good

thanks, Eazy.

wow that’s an essay with points worth writing that should never ever be permitted to be issued in that style. he could have intro’d his pt 2 deeper analysis with “it’s time for some game theory.” i can at least read that writing style, but i think it’s absolute shit. jmo. i’m not that smart.

i think what i mean there is “that’s actually too important and necessary to be hamstrung like- like that.”

it was published in a psychoanalytic magazine, it’s not really meant to be a beach read! it’s relatively dense but I think it’s coherent

will be honest though I learned at least 5-6 words reading that lol

point taken, thx. and yeah v coherent. i’m a little used to academic speech, but man that was a lot to me.

ha, there was one word that even looked misspelled to me, but no fucking way would i even think to check it, i was just “lol no way this mf gonna misspell anything in this venue, he in his space.”

https://slate.com/human-interest/2024/04/columbia-university-protests-presidents-jewish-students-encampment.html

“Civil War” would have been more apropos of our age if it was about pundits wringing their hands over what the kids are saying about the civil war on campus rather than the war itself.

That Slate interview is great, thanks for posting that. Adding to the chorus on the Parapraxis piece (and was once again reminded I want to read No Future), though I wish everyone would refer to her as Baroness Shafik

I give shout-outs whenever I can to student journalists.

massive police presence (state troopers, not university police) on the University of Texas campus pre-emptively blocking student protests from getting anywhere near the Tower

apparently the person who was "stabbed in the eye for being a Jew" (accidentally poked by someone waving a flag in a crowd) is the same person who reported that the campus cafeteria had deliberately removed "Israeli" from their couscous description.