US Politics, April 2024: "Are You Better Off Today Than You Were <Checks Notes> Four Years Ago?"

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Rep. Eric Burlison: “Johnson has become - his reputation, his history, his legacy, will be the Speaker who got things done with Democrats. Unfortunately, that’s a fact. I don’t even recognize the person that I once called a friend.” pic.twitter.com/NpDlptY37m

— Ron Filipkowski (@RonFilipkowski) April 19, 2024

pretty wild how the GOP is just openly more disposed towards hostile nations and terrorist groups than they are the Democrats

frogbs, Friday, 19 April 2024 16:38 (two months ago) link

They see Democrats as 'the enemy within the gates' instead of as their more liberal-minded neighbors.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 19 April 2024 16:56 (two months ago) link

Ol' Newt has thoughts! (I am amused at how clearly he loathes Gaetz, who is as much his descendant as anyone.)

Ned Raggett, Friday, 19 April 2024 17:37 (two months ago) link

Newt sorta 'gets' it (as far as it is possible for Newt to 'get' anything):

"He has 30 or 40 members who ideologically wake up every morning knowing that they’re gonna vote no — they’re not sure what the issue is, but they know they’re going to vote no. And then he’s got this last 30 or 40 [members] who need to do something to go on TV and send out fundraising emails, and they don’t frankly care if they screw up our party or the country, if that’s what it takes for them to be so important."

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 19 April 2024 17:46 (two months ago) link

If you are an elected official lamenting the fact that government is functioning on some level, please just go ahead and feed yourself into a meat grinder so no one else has to do it for you.

I'm so utterly sick of people responding to petulance as if it's a valid method of expression for adults to employ rather than just telling these puling pieces of shit to shut the fuck up as many times as it takes until they actually shut the fuck up. Broadening indulgence of adult babies is Trump's most pernicious legacy imo.

Great-Tasting Burger Perceptions (Old Lunch), Friday, 19 April 2024 17:51 (two months ago) link

apparently someone self immolated in front of the (Trump trial) courthouse in New York

just like Christopher Wray said (brownie), Friday, 19 April 2024 17:53 (two months ago) link

What are you going to do? Are we going to run around every day, stick your finger up in the air and see whether or not Matt Gaetz blows on it?

Thanks for this image, Newt.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 19 April 2024 17:54 (two months ago) link

The great love they have for each other, demonstrated.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 19 April 2024 17:58 (two months ago) link

Anna Paulina Luna says she has been told that as soon as a Motion to Vacate is brought to the floor, at least two moderate Republicans will resign immediately rather than wait until end of their term to flip the House to the Democrats. pic.twitter.com/DyXNDTXrJu

— Ron Filipkowski (@RonFilipkowski) April 19, 2024

fwiw

Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Friday, 19 April 2024 18:45 (two months ago) link

Interesting form of threat to keep Gaetz, Greene & Co immobilized.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 19 April 2024 18:49 (two months ago) link

Huh

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 19 April 2024 19:17 (two months ago) link

I mean, cool, just I’ve become so numb about politics that I can’t even be that giddy about this

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 19 April 2024 19:17 (two months ago) link

I'm pretty happy with it, people are finally starting to call bluff on these losers

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Friday, 19 April 2024 19:56 (two months ago) link

Eh, I don’t believe it but tbh I think a lot of GOP reps prefer being in the minority, and will be like “don’t threaten me with a good time”

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 19 April 2024 20:13 (two months ago) link

Guy who set himself on fire wrote a lengthy substack that starts off pretty good (crypto is a ponzi scheme, Theil is a shit) and then starts to nosedive pretty quickly once he gets to Kitty Dukakis. By the time he starts enumerating Simpsons episodes and making HOmer and Marge complicit, you simply have to applaud his manic energy.

https://theponzipapers.substack.com/p/i-have-set-myself-on-fire-outside

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Friday, 19 April 2024 20:21 (two months ago) link

Dipshit Secrets of our Rotten World for May thread title

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Friday, 19 April 2024 20:38 (two months ago) link

i always feel bad for these secret conspiracy people. but they also bug the hell out of me. the united states military goes into the middle east FOR NO REASON OTHER THAN REVENGE and commits wholesale slaughter for 20 years killing....who knows how many people? a million? more? nobody will ever know. destroys entire regions with bombs, missiles, seriously toxic shit. but people are always looking for a *secret* plan to destroy the world!
its a little maddening.

scott seward, Friday, 19 April 2024 22:20 (two months ago) link

or, you know, pick your own example of extremely shady and hateful shit that big governments do right out in public. i've been reading about what china is doing in africa and there is a whole world of hurt there.

scott seward, Friday, 19 April 2024 22:24 (two months ago) link

this is the latest horror show that i have read about. china needs millions of donkey hides every year for their donkey gelatin trade. it is causing problems around the world. who needs peter theil and lisa simpson?

https://www.reuters.com/graphics/AFRICA-CHINA/DONKEYS/xmpjrdgbxpr/

scott seward, Friday, 19 April 2024 22:30 (two months ago) link

Did not expect “Bill Clinton blackmailed Rob Lowe”….

paisley got boring (Eazy), Friday, 19 April 2024 22:34 (two months ago) link

The Mena connection!

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 19 April 2024 22:51 (two months ago) link

A VW plant in Chattanooga, Tennessee just voted 73-27 to join the UAW. A Mercedes plant in Alabama is up next.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Saturday, 20 April 2024 04:43 (two months ago) link

a big fuckin' deal

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 20 April 2024 09:11 (two months ago) link

Tennessee Republicans have been terrified of that plant organizing ever since VW opened it. It’s a huge win for the UAW and for labor more broadly here.

And yeah that Bouie column is great, connects lots of dots. It’s so important to understand slavery and segregation in the context of labor rights, people tend so much to see them in terms of just racism — but the racism was all about economics obv.

Here's where I recommend a Katznelson's Fear Itself: The New Deal and the Origins of Our Time, a fantastic analysis of the compromises FDR had to cut with the Solid Racist South to keep the New Deal.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 20 April 2024 12:58 (two months ago) link

*Ira

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 20 April 2024 12:58 (two months ago) link

It’s so important to understand slavery and segregation in the context of labor rights, people tend so much to see them in terms of just racism — but the racism was all about economics obv.

I would replace that “all” with “also”

Cemetry Gaetz (DJP), Saturday, 20 April 2024 14:17 (two months ago) link

i been meaning to read that katznelson book forever- thx for reminder. i almost feel like i’ve read it i’ve been so exposed to extracts or cites

schrodingers cat was always cool (Hunt3r), Saturday, 20 April 2024 15:12 (two months ago) link

yeah it's become the touchstone for this area of research even though it's only 11 years old

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 20 April 2024 15:12 (two months ago) link

Thanks for that book recommendation

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 20 April 2024 15:16 (two months ago) link

An excerpt.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 20 April 2024 15:18 (two months ago) link

Meantime in House roffles today per WaPo:

If you’ve been watching the debate on the House floor today, you probably haven’t seen any far-right members present their perspective against the plan presented by Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.). That’s by design.

According to several Republicans, those members have been prevented from receiving “floor time” to speak because of overwhelming opposition from the conference.

These members have been consistent in their opposition, and it has irritated many Republicans who, while they respect their opinions, are upset they blocked debate and prevent regular order. Others are mad that these members are on the wrong side of history and don’t want them to dominate the debate on serious matters.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 20 April 2024 15:36 (two months ago) link

A lovely piece on the late Bob Graham:

Lots of politicians talk about “the dignity of work.” Not so many back it up by picking tomatoes and shoveling manure.

Graham always put in a full day on whatever job he was doing, and his genuine respect for his co-workers and their craft comes across on every page. He spent his day at the nursing home feeding and bathing patients and changing their soiled bedsheets with Johnny Denton, “a 33-year-old Black man of Santa Claus shape and ebullience” who earned $2.45 an hour. He was clearly moved by Denton’s dedication to his patients, by his belief that “these old folks must be good, because God let them live so long,” by the care he took to fold the seams in the sheets under the bed so nobody would get sores.

The first part of this excerpt has become political boilerplate; the second part widened my eyes:

You don’t have to be fascinated by people to be effective in the political arena, but it helps. I happen to believe, and I’m not alone, that Al Gore could have won Florida and changed history in 2000 if he had chosen Graham as his running mate. I also believe, and on this I may be alone, that if Graham hadn’t suffered some heart issues in 2003, he might have beaten John Kerry for the Democratic nomination and ousted George W. Bush. He was a centrist swing-state Intelligence Committee chair who opposed the war in Iraq on the grounds that it was crippling the war on terror.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 20 April 2024 15:38 (two months ago) link

I would replace that “all” with “also”

Sure, it’s impossible to disentangle racism from economics, but I think most historians of slavery agree that the South’s complex racial order was devised to serve its economic interests rather than the other way around. Slavery was primarily an economic model — and when it was abolished, the white supremacist economic order was maintained through continued disenfranchisement that preserved an economic hierarchy with a built-in class of cheap labor.

I just think that emphasis is really important as part of pushing back on the conservative narrative that, to whatever degree racism ever existed in America, it was primarily a matter of individual prejudice rather than a calculated system for economic exploitation.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/20/trump-trial-presidential-campaign-costs-00153446

“To his supporters, part of Trump’s appeal as a politician has always been the show he puts on. And in that respect, the court spectacle was not a total loser for him. He drew nearly nonstop press, as cameras and reporters chronicled his every step to and from the courthouse. News coverage of Trump and his trial easily surpassed that of Biden and his campaign stops this week.

But another part of Trump’s strength has traditionally been the impression that he was in command, performing on his own terms. What became obvious in New York this week was that is no longer the case, with Trump confined to the courtroom and, on trial days, campaign events restricted to New York and its environs. At a minimum, that is limiting Trump’s ability to respond to the unfolding presidential campaign.”

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 20 April 2024 17:32 (two months ago) link

🔥 @RepTonyGonzales on CNN SOTU: “It's my absolute honor to be in Congress but I serve with some real scumbags. Look, Matt Gaetz — he paid minors to have sex with him at drug parties. Bob Good endorsed my opponent, a known neo-Nazi. These people used to walk around with white…

— Sahil Kapur (@sahilkapur) April 21, 2024

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 21 April 2024 18:15 (two months ago) link

rep gonzales is a republican from san antonio and used to have a dogfight toss-up district before the 2021 redistricting that turned it into a p safe gop seat

polyamerie "it's more than this 1 thing" (m bison), Sunday, 21 April 2024 18:28 (two months ago) link

It’s all breaking open, isn’t it?

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 21 April 2024 18:33 (two months ago) link

Can anyone explain why the MTG Johnson stuff in a way that makes sense? Whats different about the Ukraine funding from 2 months ago that prompted Johnson to change his mind.

anvil, Sunday, 21 April 2024 18:43 (two months ago) link

I think he realized he doesn't want to be the person who causes Ukraine to lose the war. Also, they had been insisting that Ukraine aid had to go hand-in-hand with a border bill, but then they tanked the border bill, now they can't make that same play again.

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Sunday, 21 April 2024 18:50 (two months ago) link

https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/21/politics/ukraine-aid-mike-johnson-house-speaker-israel-taiwan/index.html

fwiw:

And more recently, Johnson received a key intelligence briefing from CIA Director Bill Burns, who painted a picture of the dire situation on the battlefield in Ukraine and the global consequences of inaction, according to multiple sources with knowledge of the situation. The briefing left a lasting impression, and Johnson became increasingly convinced the fate of Western democracy was on his shoulders, sources close to him said.

Another factor that sources say weighed heavily on his decision-making: Johnson’s oldest son was recently accepted into the Naval Academy.

“To put it bluntly, I would rather send bullets to Ukraine than American boys. My son is going to begin in the Naval Academy this fall. This is a live-fire exercise for me as it is so many American families,” Johnson told reporters. “This is not a game, this is not a joke.”

symsymsym, Sunday, 21 April 2024 18:57 (two months ago) link

It feels like that sort of makes sense but not quite enough, presumably he also knew two months ago about his son applying to the naval academy, and it feels weird that he didn't get a briefing from Burns earlier too. I can't tell what it is that is true today but not true two months ago (also is Trump kind of going easy on Johnson or is that a misreading?)

Will Massey/Greene go after him now as threatened, seems like maybe not after all?

anvil, Sunday, 21 April 2024 19:04 (two months ago) link

must be tough to live in a world where nothing ever makes sense to you

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Sunday, 21 April 2024 19:11 (two months ago) link

He may also be getting reassurances that the Dems will save him if his speakership is in danger.

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Sunday, 21 April 2024 19:12 (two months ago) link

That makes sense but wouldn't they have also given those reassurances two months ago too? (if he agreed to greenlight Ukraine)

anvil, Sunday, 21 April 2024 19:18 (two months ago) link

greene will still go after him but I think Johnson believes dems will help save his position and/or he doesn't care at this point and he made what he believes to be a principled stand

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Sunday, 21 April 2024 19:19 (two months ago) link

wouldn't they have also given those reassurances two months ago too

i admit to not following Ukraine very closely anymore but I think things have gotten worse there in the past two months.

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Sunday, 21 April 2024 19:19 (two months ago) link

They've been very bad. This will absolutely help.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 21 April 2024 19:27 (two months ago) link


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