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“They feel like it, but they ain’t facts”: Deep Polyamory In The Zoom Era

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 19 April 2024 20:11 (two months ago) link

“there’s a guy coming over”

“a guy?”

“his name is todd. he’s a, what you might call, a pussy unlocker”

“a what now?”

“that’s apparently what they call it”

*doorbell rings*

Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Friday, 19 April 2024 20:20 (two months ago) link

W/r/t Buckley, I’m going to recommend that American Prospect piece from Rick Perlstein that Alfred linked above. Dude was personally worse in certain circumstances than even some of the more rightwing people he ostensibly sidelined, but his affect was such that he was welcomed on PBS as respectable conservative for class reasons for decades.

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Friday, 19 April 2024 21:20 (two months ago) link

Oh yeah, also I scroll a bit and see that Left beat me to a lot of these points.

So, yeah, wot they said.

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Friday, 19 April 2024 21:21 (two months ago) link

perlstein's WFB piece getting passed around on ilx threads more times than the new stud in the polycule

budo jeru, Friday, 19 April 2024 22:13 (two months ago) link

i blame the chubb group. they secretly own pbs and peter thiel and soros and the simpsons. wait i'm getting my threads mixed up. or am i....

scott seward, Friday, 19 April 2024 22:15 (two months ago) link

man I hope I never learn what agile scrum is in any context

JoeStork, Friday, 19 April 2024 22:18 (two months ago) link

Is this for real?

― Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings)

yeah, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. the extraordinary claim to me is the idea that a 20 person polycule would last more than a week without imploding into insane drama.

i haven't read the article in question because paywall but this sounds a lot like a tumblr post from january about a supposed "portland polycule" where the blogger just threw in the most ridiculous shit he could think of. i mean having not seen the article in question i'm not gonna say it's _impossible_. there are polycule cults out here. it's one of the main reasons i don't get any action - i don't fuck with polycules, literally or figuratively.

honestly, as far as i can tell the only way a 20-person polycule works is _as_ a cult. otherwise someone brings a friend over to the house who someone else in the polycule hates and there are fights... polycule drama scales approximately logarithmically with the number of members...

i mean this _is_ in the PNW, right? is there anywhere else in america where shit this fucked up could happen?

Kate (rushomancy), Friday, 19 April 2024 23:14 (two months ago) link

man I hope I never learn what agile scrum is in any context

― JoeStork

fortunately it's not something i've had to worry about since i had my orchi

Kate (rushomancy), Friday, 19 April 2024 23:15 (two months ago) link

it keeps making me think of the human centipede when i see the word *polycule*. which gives me the shivers.

scott seward, Friday, 19 April 2024 23:20 (two months ago) link

A 20-person Cambridge MA polycule composed of 25- to 45-year-olds sounds like the premise for our millennial Big Chill.

jmm, Friday, 19 April 2024 23:36 (two months ago) link

fpsa at 2:38 19 Apr 24

I think Pamela Paul, David Brooks and Bret Stephens are the worst of the pack. Like truly evil


I don't want to defend Brooks exactly, but he seems mostly like a squish who is uncomfortable with divisiveness and ideas outside his milquetoast moderate worldview. Whereas Paul and Stephens are just lazily contemptuous reactionaries. Neither type is great, but I find the latter more irksome.

jaymc, Friday, 19 April 2024 23:37 (two months ago) link

Jmm, write the script

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 19 April 2024 23:40 (two months ago) link

tbf, brooks is super lazy too

mookieproof, Friday, 19 April 2024 23:41 (two months ago) link

20-person polycules are an entirely different sort of fucked up from the human centipede, if that helps any, scott

Kate (rushomancy), Friday, 19 April 2024 23:42 (two months ago) link

I don't want to defend Brooks exactly, but he seems mostly like a squish who is uncomfortable with divisiveness and ideas outside his milquetoast moderate worldview. Whereas Paul and Stephens are just lazily contemptuous reactionaries. Neither type is great, but I find the latter more irksome.

― jaymc

both types want me to not exist, the latter are just more open about it

Kate (rushomancy), Friday, 19 April 2024 23:47 (two months ago) link

fair

jaymc, Friday, 19 April 2024 23:56 (two months ago) link

the McLaughlin Group ran for decades too. lots of choice Pat Buchanan for you on PBS. i watched it sometimes god help me. the libs always looked like weak sisters on that show. they set it up that way.

― scott seward, Friday, April 19, 2024 8:46 AM (four days ago)

I vaguely remember that Buchanan was more "restrained" on PBS than off ... definitely a lot of "I wouldn't go that far, Pat!" wrist-slapping at least... but definitely the "liberal wuss" stereotype was very present on this show. There was a CBS show kinda like it at the time that had the same set up. There actually is a deleted scene featuring Howard Hunt on Buckley's show in White House Plumbers.

sarahell, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 04:46 (two months ago) link

Agile scrum, when gymnasts and rugby players have an orgy

papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 05:09 (two months ago) link

I remember Buchanan getting fired up and blaming "the reds, the greens, and the trots" one time on McLaughlin and I almost spit out my coffee. The same noxious views, but skirting self-parody

ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 13:41 (two months ago) link

I haven't read it obvs, but I keep seeing excerpts of the McWhorter column and each one is even dumber than the last

rob, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 15:02 (two months ago) link

lol These protesters are ruining my John Cage lecture.

Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 15:04 (two months ago) link

that part is discrediting (as a prof) and lol, but he also spends a lot of time elaborating a fantasy about a fictional protest against DEI as if real students are comparable to the imagined protesters that live in his mind, and then there's this:

The other night I watched a dad coming from the protest with his little girl, giving a good hard few final snaps on the drum he was carrying, nodding at her in crisp salute, percussing his perspective into her little mind. This is not peaceful.

rob, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 15:11 (two months ago) link

However, the relentless assault of this current protest — daily, loud, louder, into the night and using ever-angrier rhetoric — is beyond what anyone should be expected to bear up under regardless of their whiteness, privilege or power.

Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 15:15 (two months ago) link

McWhorter's a fun case of radical centrism where what actually counts as centrist gets smaller and smaller

ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 15:15 (two months ago) link

omg

But relatively constant are the drumbeats — people will differ on how peaceful that sound can ever be, just as they will differ on the nature of antisemitism.

Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 15:17 (two months ago) link

why can't people protest at home, silently, like Dr. King

Are you addicted to struggling with your horse? (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 15:19 (two months ago) link

the whole article is like "What would you libs feel if this were a bunch of Klansmen instead of college kids doing drum circles and doing a chant that sounds like it comes from Moana?"

Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 15:19 (two months ago) link

i had high hopes for that article about the vegan chef who owes everybody money but it was really kinda boring. so he got a ton of rich people to give him money? bully for him!

scott seward, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 15:21 (two months ago) link

sucks bad that the chef was closing restaurants without paying employees but that seems like a standard dirtbag restaurant owner thing

at least a couple local guys did that and then it came out that the employees were also keeping the literal infrastructure together because the owners wouldn't fix things

ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 15:24 (two months ago) link

I missed that one. Was it supposed to be notable because the chef was vegan?

I "borrow" my subscription but seeing stuff like this and I might have to finally give up on Wordle and Connections:

The Meta-Morphosis of Mark Zuckerberg

The robotic nerd depicted in “The Social Network” has turned into the kinder, more accessible face of Silicon Valley, our fashion critic writes.

rob, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 15:27 (two months ago) link

McWhorter is possibly one of the dumbest people with tenure in the entire world. It baffles me that anyone can take the guy seriously

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 15:37 (two months ago) link

That he is teaching music courses at Columbia is enough to discredit the entire institution, nevermind the ridiculous anti-Palestinian cop-calling “crisis creation”

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 15:39 (two months ago) link

all the people responsible for employing him and continuing his writing are probably pensively nodding and agreeing with that article. that's how you keep your job

ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 15:44 (two months ago) link

"I missed that one. Was it supposed to be notable because the chef was vegan?"

Indeed! Rich Hollywood types totally gave him money even though he was a bad businessperson/shady and they even knew he had lost tons of money but they thought he was going to save the world. he's very cult-y looking.

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5a8b358f18b27d54781955a1/1526326734103-2BNL0QSX2Q49A5PIAQJO/matthewkenney.jpg

scott seward, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 16:20 (two months ago) link

not just vegan, RAW food. my wife had some dealings w him, almost 20 years ago now, and after a few meetings he totally ghosted her.

Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 16:25 (two months ago) link

And although Mr. Kenney became a prominent figure in veganism, championing its virtues to both investors and the public, he conceded to The Times that he had eaten seafood a “few times,” though he claimed to have done so “openly” and not to have eaten “land-based flesh” in more than 20 years.

scott seward, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 16:35 (two months ago) link

he sounds lovely:

“We were all specifically told not to tell the women he brought that he had a girlfriend,” Ms. Duran said. “And we also knew when the girlfriend would come, not to mention the dates he would bring to the restaurant.”

scott seward, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 16:36 (two months ago) link

you can tell that someone with influence pushed that story to the NYT in order to roast his ass

I doubt it was Michael Landon's widow, who is quoted as an investor that got burned, but probably in her charitable sphere

ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 16:40 (two months ago) link

you could teach a pretty good media literacy class using NYT articles like this as an example

why are they writing about this, and who is the target audience?

in this case, it's undoubtedly to burn whatever cred he has hustling people for more money

ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 16:42 (two months ago) link

you should see the article they just did about the publicist for influencers who looks like Barbie! it makes the vegan crook story look like bartlett and steele.

scott seward, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 17:07 (two months ago) link

And although Mr. Kenney became a prominent figure in veganism, championing its virtues to both investors and the public, he conceded to The Times that he had eaten seafood a “few times,” though he claimed to have done so “openly” and not to have eaten “land-based flesh” in more than 20 years.

ethical non-veganomy

omar little, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 17:14 (two months ago) link

new Pamela Paul column has a graf that starts "But as Ricky Gervais says..."

jaymc, Thursday, 25 April 2024 12:42 (two months ago) link

she really is the Onion version of her colleagues

rob, Thursday, 25 April 2024 12:46 (two months ago) link

I can't tell if that vegan chef is going to ask me if I want to have a threesome with his wife or harvest my blood for dark rituals or both.

papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 25 April 2024 12:50 (two months ago) link

looks like the Pitchbot twitter account was hired for real headlines:

In Immunity Case, Trump Can Lose in Ways That Amount to a Win

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 25 April 2024 13:56 (two months ago) link

sucks bad that the chef was closing restaurants without paying employees but that seems like a standard dirtbag restaurant owner thing

oh it very much is! i only skimmed the article but as scott said, it was kinda boring ... the "robbing peter to pay paul" thing ... another standard dirtbag restaurant owner thing. i worked as a bookkeeper/office manager for one ... at first they were arguing with me that the restaurant was losing so much money they were likely going to have paychecks bounce ... then it happened ... then it was worse because I was handing staff paychecks and telling them either to "cash it now" or "wait until Tuesday when the weekend sales hit the bank otherwise your check with bounce" ... the food was really good though!

sarahell, Thursday, 25 April 2024 17:03 (two months ago) link

* as in I told them the restaurant was losing money and they argued that I must be doing the accounting wrong

sarahell, Thursday, 25 April 2024 17:05 (two months ago) link

it really does amaze me sometimes what a crappy business the restaurant business is. sometimes i feel like the only justification for it is as a way to launder money. the mental and physical toll a place can have on someone and the amount of work involved and even wildly successful places can make NO money. its insane. it makes them feel archaic somehow. and that's just normal places. when you get to fine dining and the rich people ass-kissing...blah. it kinda sucks. i don't even want to go to places anymore where people are fake nice to me. i stick to the local diner, the chinese joint, and the mexican/salvadoran place. they're just nice enough but mostly they leave me alone because they're busy.
and don't get me wrong i work hard for no money and deal with creeps but i do it so that i never have to have a boss again and i'm mostly by myself. and i never smell like fish grease. and i did enjoy waiting tables when i was young because cash and also i was working with friends but i'd rather die than work in a restaurant now. i would be stabbing people nightly. or as many nights as they allowed me to stab people.

scott seward, Thursday, 25 April 2024 17:35 (two months ago) link

Yeah, I don't get restaurants at all. Every time I try to do the math in my head it makes me shudder. But hey, my record label is just an inefficient way of pouring money down the toilet, so what do I know?

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Thursday, 25 April 2024 17:41 (two months ago) link


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