Israel/Palestine post 10/7 - follow-on events/thoughts as relate to other countries

https://www.nydailynews.com/2024/04/21/as-columbia-protests-continue-university-rabbi-warns-jewish-students-to-stay-home/

"“in response, he says, to ‘just horrific’ videos of ‘protesters on campus calling for Jews to be killed, just off campus Jews being yelled at to ‘go back to Poland’,"

are these videos in wide circulation?

or, is this going to turn out to be people saying 'from the river to the sea' again

remind me what image host to use ... it's been forever since I did it and the old way no longer works apparently (not a bbcode problem btw)

I saw a video of some chanting of Kill Yourself and Death to America but it wasn't on a campus. I never know how seriously to take these things when there's no real indication of size

and it wasn't a TSOL show from the early 80s?

It was in Manhattan, I saw it when doing a twitter search on a pro-Israeli provocateur that the table is the table mentioned, in one of the replies. I don't like posting tweets when I'm not clear if misleading (only mentioned because in reference to akm). For me there's a gray area on things that happened but aren't representative, or are smaller in scale than they appear and I don't know how to accurately gauge stuff like that

“Death to America” is good not bad, and “Kill yourself” aimed at one person is NOT inherently antisemitic. It’s not great language, but I have certainly yelled it at cops before.

the Daily News is a right-wing rag and the idea that we’re entertaining propaganda from them is ludicrous.

I don't have particularly strong opinions on the former, or the latter for that matter - though I agree neither are anti-semitic and should have been clearer about that. I don't know that daily news is but you're probably right I shouldn't have posted without finding out more (something I usually do but was a response to akm).

I've seen the usual dipshits on twitter saying "Now Jews are not even allowed on college campuses" as if this Rabbi's declaration is a government edict or something

What is most infuriating is that many Jewish students and faculty are a part of these protests. The antisemitism of making a monolith of the Jewish people in service to Zionists ideology is craven and unhinged, and I cannot believe it is tolerated as much as it is.

"“in response, he says, to ‘just horrific’ videos of ‘protesters on campus calling for Jews to be killed, just off campus Jews being yelled at to ‘go back to Poland’,"

are these videos in wide circulation?

― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Sunday, April 21, 2024 1:00 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

I did see a video from Columbia that fit this description. It seemed like it was a small group a little away from the main protest site, and it’s always a little hard to tell if something precipitated it (although it wouldn’t be ok regardless). Both things can be true: that the main thrust of the protests is not antisemitic and that there are also antisemitic incidents.

What is most infuriating is that many Jewish students and faculty are a part of these protests. The antisemitism of making a monolith of the Jewish people in service to Zionists ideology is craven and unhinged, and I cannot believe it is tolerated as much as it is.

Yale students arrested, Harvard Yard getting closed due to protests; not sure how they don't realize that by arresting these protestors, they're simply causing these protests to grow and escalate

Thought this essay was really good:

For @parapraxis_mag I thought a little about student protests for Palestine, the securitization of universities, the rhetoric of “safety,” and the spectacular distractions of America’s libidinally charged obsession with the things that happen “on campus.”https://t.co/eftOP9QpKW

— samuel catlin (@lint_ax) April 22, 2024

Excellent article.

I’m glad we’ve finally moved on from liminally to libidinally this is progress

Nice

NYU faculty creating a ring around the Gaza solidarity encampment to protect their students after the school threatened mass arrest. So beautiful. pic.twitter.com/OgW21AM9nU

— Read Let This Radicalize You (@JoshuaPHilll) April 22, 2024

thanks for posting that essay, really good

thanks, Eazy.

wow that’s an essay with points worth writing that should never ever be permitted to be issued in that style. he could have intro’d his pt 2 deeper analysis with “it’s time for some game theory.” i can at least read that writing style, but i think it’s absolute shit. jmo. i’m not that smart.

i think what i mean there is “that’s actually too important and necessary to be hamstrung like- like that.”

it was published in a psychoanalytic magazine, it’s not really meant to be a beach read! it’s relatively dense but I think it’s coherent

will be honest though I learned at least 5-6 words reading that lol

point taken, thx. and yeah v coherent. i’m a little used to academic speech, but man that was a lot to me.

ha, there was one word that even looked misspelled to me, but no fucking way would i even think to check it, i was just “lol no way this mf gonna misspell anything in this venue, he in his space.”

https://slate.com/human-interest/2024/04/columbia-university-protests-presidents-jewish-students-encampment.html

“Civil War” would have been more apropos of our age if it was about pundits wringing their hands over what the kids are saying about the civil war on campus rather than the war itself.

That Slate interview is great, thanks for posting that. Adding to the chorus on the Parapraxis piece (and was once again reminded I want to read No Future), though I wish everyone would refer to her as Baroness Shafik

I give shout-outs whenever I can to student journalists.

massive police presence (state troopers, not university police) on the University of Texas campus pre-emptively blocking student protests from getting anywhere near the Tower

apparently the person who was "stabbed in the eye for being a Jew" (accidentally poked by someone waving a flag in a crowd) is the same person who reported that the campus cafeteria had deliberately removed "Israeli" from their couscous description.

the Texas photos/videos are really intense

what starts here changes the world pic.twitter.com/ZV0ojR4vQu

— valkyrie (@mxmimosa) April 24, 2024

UT has a strong commitment to free speech when it's the fundamentalist preacher who screams through a megaphone at women walking past his booth wearing tank tops calling them sluts and whores, but a pro-Palestine protest is just beyond the pale and cannot be allowed

I bet things like this don't happen at Bari Weiss' University of Austin.

wonder why the protestors are wary of engaging with the media

As has been pointed out, this is not on the Columbia campus but a few hundred feet away from the gate. I was focused on the blatant antisemitism on display in a major American city. https://t.co/Hn7Y0CbfrI

— Jake Sherman (@JakeSherman) April 24, 2024

Seems like a great time to be an anti-Semite in New York because all you have to do is take the 1 to 116th and you can get your sign shared on Twitter 15,000 times

i've seen people on FB/instagram/threads obliviously passing off this quote as justification for why Jews in NY are scared: ""We will not tolerate the existence of Jewish people on campus," said Darren Polk on behalf of the protesting students inside the encampment. "People keep trying to come up with ‘peaceful ways' to end this conflict, but there's only one way we envision this coming to a conclusion, which is all the Jews being dead."

Where did the quote come from? this babylon bee article .

The pictures from Texas are horrifying.

Here's a good thread from Deb Cowen, a Jewish academic, on her experience speaking to the solidarity encampment at NYU:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1783118648242004348.html

Worthwhile pod ep from two leftist academics with Columbia/NYU history:

https://goodbye.substack.com/p/campus-crackdown-and-an-assessment

Today, we talk about everything that’s happening on campus from Columbia to NYU to Berkeley. Tyler talks about the responsibilities of faculty in these moments and what he thinks is driving a surprisingly strong faculty response to the arrests in New York City. We also talk about how to process the instances of antisemitism at these protests and Jay talks about some of the difficulties that have arisen with the leaderless activism model over the past decade or so

That pod also making the point that there are class divisions that will be showing up more in campus protests, in terms of adjunct faculty vs tenured faculty vs administration, w/r/t who calls the cops vs who protests because their students are getting arrested vs who gets arrested with their students

Go bears

there was one word that even looked misspelled to me, but no fucking way would i even think to check it, i was just “lol no way this mf gonna misspell anything in this venue, he in his space.

(and yes i learned that as an undergrad in the 90s sue me)

Faculty at @UTAustin are going on strike tomorrow to protest police and state troopers mass arresting and beating students. https://t.co/CsEscanZTI

— Writers Against the War on Gaza (@wawog_now) April 25, 2024

Xp I don't know if that was the word Hunt3r was thinking of when they said that, but it was definitely the word I was thinking of when they said that.

Interpellation is a concept that is quite useful, honestly, even if one isn’t a Marxist.

(and yes i learned that as an undergrad in the 90s sue me)

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, April 24, 2024 7:41 PM (yesterday)

How many times did you have to read that Althusser Ideological State Apparatus essay as an undergrad? I think I had it in 3 separate classes! I actually think about interpellation a fair amount tbh, especially in the context of online discourse and "callout culture"

Ha, yeah, interpellated is the term that always tripped me up.

Likewise, Took me longer than expect to learn what “reify” meant, but that was mainly because I never heard it pronounced correctly(I.e. more Latin sounding)

2020s undergrads learn interpellate now too, though not directly from Althusser but via Judith Butler

i feel like my 90's Cal education must have been deficient because I never once had to read a single one of these things. nevertheless I still know what 'interpellation' means