Anti-semitism thread: onwards from 2023

yall are really listening to a genocide-enabling birdcage liner trying to disempower the largest student protest movement in the past 25 years? ridiculous how ready you are to fall in line

“this one student leader said something bad! this means the whole movement is suspect and should be shut down” get the fuck out of here with that bullshit

Nah, I'm going to draw the line at incitement to murder. Not going to get the fuck out of here.

A quick scan of lLX political threads would provide plentiful examples of death-dealing rhetoric similar in tone to “Zionists don’t deserve to live” and “Be grateful that I’m not just going out and murdering Zionists.” Wishing death on large swathes of people who disagree with you is fully normalized in political discourse these days. Candidates for public office issue ads where opponents are put in the cross hairs of a rifle scope. It is so ingrained now that urging any moderation of this rhetoric is dismissed as the crime of "tone policing".

tabes my dude this dumb asshole fucked up and he fucked up a lot of people when he fucked up

“this one student leader said something bad! this means the whole movement is suspect and should be shut down” get the fuck out of here with that bullshit

― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table)

Fwiw nobody here said the second sentence you said here

some Boston Latin grad who wants to go to congress can't be facecamming his violently-tinged vent session onto the gram and then letting himself be held out as a leader of a protest movement three months later, whatever happens next is his fault not the New York Timeses

as a Jew actively in a leadership position of an (admittedly small) Jewish community that is working to oppose the state of Israel's genocidal actions, I can assure you that this rhetoric and brand of "leadership" is counterproductive and not helpful. Also sort of murder-y and antisemitic (how does this enlightened student distinguish between, say, a Jewish Voice for Peace member, and a Zionist? is there some sort of badge I should wear?)

hi Shakey

Hey there Shakey!

need a mansplaining-equivalent word for when non-Jews lecture Jews about Judaism, anti-semitism, Zionism, the history of Israel, the Holocaust, etc. Goysplaining?

Well, I don't think that Jews necessarily own the history of Israel or Zionism, but I still know what you are talking about and I see it a lot.

yall are really listening to a genocide-enabling birdcage liner trying to disempower the largest student protest movement in the past 25 years? ridiculous how ready you are to fall in line

the guy said it himself, posted himself saying it on his own instagram, and has now had to apologize for it, so I'm not sure what parts of that should be ignored because you don't like this newspaper

like the appropriate response to this is "this guy should go fuck himself" not "but the NYT is bad boo hoo". If that's your response, I am deeply suspect of your beliefs.

I haven't read the NYT since all the Judith Miller shit

You missed a lot of news.

they have wordle now

honestly I'm suspicious of anyone who doesn't support the destruction of the NYT

but David Brooks

ok sorry maybe if a 20 year old on tik tok had posted this story everyone would be less resistant

Acknowledging that he’s a dumbass is fine, the problem is (as ever) the media’s decision to focus on one dumbass “leader” (who holds no real power or sway) rather than what the protests are about.

Focusing your attention on him is just letting yourself be tricked.

I'm ideally not going to pay attention to this man after today tho maybe he'll make it to congress eventually

Cops are cracking skulls in support of actual genocide, one college kid’s bad opinion does not matter.

if a kid has a bad opinion and is standing around with the megaphone are people gonna keep protesting or are they gonna go home

doofus apologized is he gonna take one for the team and disappear or is he high on status

Acknowledging that he’s a dumbass is fine, the problem is (as ever) the media’s decision to focus on one dumbass “leader” (who holds no real power or sway) rather than what the protests are about.

this is the anti-semitism thread. Your track record with identifying anti-semitism is, how shall we say, not great, so maybe fuck off

I remember thinking I was a Weatherman-type radical during Iraq antiwar protests in the 90's, but I just went home and went to bed, no actual street-fighting

this kid has a big mouth and that's about it

Whether I've personally heard of someone is a pretty bad measure of whether I should care if he calls for murder. Whether he has a platform is a better one.

I remember thinking I was a Weatherman-type radical during Iraq antiwar protests in the 90's

in '90-'91?

Aw, Shakey thought you’d empathize more with someone caught out for saying stupid and abhorrent things online.

yeah, thereabouts

Aw, Shakey thought you’d empathize more with someone caught out for saying stupid and abhorrent things online.

put up or shut up you fucking clown

If you search for his name up until two days ago, he has a ton of mentions in major news outlets. He held press conferences on behalf of the protestors, he isn't just some guy. xp

(i.e. pre-current-controversy mentions)

ay i've got a jewish kid who is about to have a bar mitzvah and idk that i believe anyone who says they want to murder zionists truly differentiates between who are zionists and who are non-zionist jews. my wife has said she is sometimes glad our kid has my extremely non-jewish last name bc she has descendant ptsd from her survivor dad, and it's been triggered of late. she's not into israel btw but two things can be true: israel can be run by some awful, genocide-committing right wing scumfucks, and some protestors can be using this moment in time to find a safe space to spew their previously held vile beliefs. my kid was wondering why the hotel where his mitzvah is going to be will have a security guard outside the gate, i told him they do that for all events, bc what am i supposed to tell him?

i mean it seems reasonable to *not* tell those who have felt the sting of antisemitism they should shut up about it bc those who who co-opted a righteous movement to spew those views are doing it from inside that righteous movement.

keep in mind i'm someone who just responded yesterday to a text from a friend who was asking about how my kid was doing with the israel stuff by getting into how i thought what israel was doing was fucked, which he disagreed with fairly vehemently, and i was reminded via a note to self it's never good to text about politics.

Mr. James was raised in Boston, and graduated from Boston Latin Academy, according to a 2021 interview with The Bay State Banner.

He told The Banner that at Columbia, he planned to study economics and political science. “The ultimate destination is Congress,” he said.

He's deluded. If he was ever cut out for success in US electoral politics he would have been savvy enough not to blurt crap like that on IG.

'yeah, all that talk about murdering jews? just a youthful indiscretion, I don't feel that way anymore..'

Well he could run as a Republican

he could be trump's VP.

Aw, Shakey thought you’d empathize more with someone caught out for saying stupid and abhorrent things online.

I can't remember exactly, but it was something he said a while ago I think in a thread about 'me too', maybe a thread he started? don't know, but the reaction to it was over-the-top ilx hate

It was under a screen name something like outic, which I cannot search for

he is the kind of valuable poster that ilx should not have chased away

I apologize to you all for lashing out but the gall of this motherfucker - who has a 20+ year history of minimizing anti-semitism on ILX and I can point to the posts where he consistently did so - coming on here and trotting it out yet again and then trying his usual tactic of resorting to bullshit ad hominem attacks on me when called on it is too much. Bye everybody!

No apology needed, sorry to see you go :(

By that he means I said 'RFK Jr openly courts Nazis, I don't need to divine hidden messages from tweets,' which I completely stand by and have no idea how agreeing that RFK Jr is at best happy to get down with Nazis is minimizing anti-Semitism but ok. Not really a fan of conspiratorial mind palace creation whether it's that stuff or Pelosi chalking up pro-Palestine protests to Chinese agitation.

(also xxp - both)

I'm pretty sure that's not what he means, milo

It is, though. That was when he got big mad and accused me of minimizing it before, which was completely incomprehensible then and now, aside from the fact I dared disagree with him about a tweet by a lunatic.

Nor am I minimizing anti-Semitism here - what this kid said is terrible and he should have to apologize and take a societal punishment for it (no Congressional career for you, unless you make this a MAGA conversion story and start grifting there). What he said should not, however, color anyone's attitude toward the college protest movement and we should be suspicious of the Times' motive. This has been the corporate media play with every protest movement of my life - Iraq War protests? Guess what, ANSWER are MAOISTS! Pick a "leader" from a random Occupy encampment and find something they said. Repeat with BLM. Attempts are made to discredit these decentralized movements by focusing on one or two people as if they're figureheads and motivating theorists.

Sure cool great yeah awesome. Maybe just don't post this (okay true) deflections of real anti-semitism in the anti-semitism thread?

And maybe don't keep a 18 year old post streak on rachael ray rapeplay gloating going either? Seems like you're more obsessed with it than Shakey with how much often you bring it up.

Fwiw while I regret my tone and insults earlier today this is what I meant— fuck this kid and his noxious views but we also know where the media will take this, because it’s been doing it for months. any sign of a some noxious antisemitic views show up near a pro-Palestine protest, the media chooses to emphasize and amplify this noxious viewpoint, thus disempowering the actual admirable aims of the protest movement: ceasefire, divestment, and a liberated Palestinian people. this happens over and over and over again with protest in the US, i have seen it throughout my life, and i simply become furious both that some bad actors can taint something noble so easily and that the mainstream media can hold so much sway as to essentially destroy a movement.