Anti-semitism thread: onwards from 2023

Cops are cracking skulls in support of actual genocide, one college kid’s bad opinion does not matter.

if a kid has a bad opinion and is standing around with the megaphone are people gonna keep protesting or are they gonna go home

doofus apologized is he gonna take one for the team and disappear or is he high on status

Acknowledging that he’s a dumbass is fine, the problem is (as ever) the media’s decision to focus on one dumbass “leader” (who holds no real power or sway) rather than what the protests are about.

this is the anti-semitism thread. Your track record with identifying anti-semitism is, how shall we say, not great, so maybe fuck off

I remember thinking I was a Weatherman-type radical during Iraq antiwar protests in the 90's, but I just went home and went to bed, no actual street-fighting

this kid has a big mouth and that's about it

Whether I've personally heard of someone is a pretty bad measure of whether I should care if he calls for murder. Whether he has a platform is a better one.

I remember thinking I was a Weatherman-type radical during Iraq antiwar protests in the 90's

in '90-'91?

Aw, Shakey thought you’d empathize more with someone caught out for saying stupid and abhorrent things online.

yeah, thereabouts

Aw, Shakey thought you’d empathize more with someone caught out for saying stupid and abhorrent things online.

put up or shut up you fucking clown

If you search for his name up until two days ago, he has a ton of mentions in major news outlets. He held press conferences on behalf of the protestors, he isn't just some guy. xp

(i.e. pre-current-controversy mentions)

ay i've got a jewish kid who is about to have a bar mitzvah and idk that i believe anyone who says they want to murder zionists truly differentiates between who are zionists and who are non-zionist jews. my wife has said she is sometimes glad our kid has my extremely non-jewish last name bc she has descendant ptsd from her survivor dad, and it's been triggered of late. she's not into israel btw but two things can be true: israel can be run by some awful, genocide-committing right wing scumfucks, and some protestors can be using this moment in time to find a safe space to spew their previously held vile beliefs. my kid was wondering why the hotel where his mitzvah is going to be will have a security guard outside the gate, i told him they do that for all events, bc what am i supposed to tell him?

i mean it seems reasonable to *not* tell those who have felt the sting of antisemitism they should shut up about it bc those who who co-opted a righteous movement to spew those views are doing it from inside that righteous movement.

keep in mind i'm someone who just responded yesterday to a text from a friend who was asking about how my kid was doing with the israel stuff by getting into how i thought what israel was doing was fucked, which he disagreed with fairly vehemently, and i was reminded via a note to self it's never good to text about politics.

Mr. James was raised in Boston, and graduated from Boston Latin Academy, according to a 2021 interview with The Bay State Banner.

He told The Banner that at Columbia, he planned to study economics and political science. “The ultimate destination is Congress,” he said.

He's deluded. If he was ever cut out for success in US electoral politics he would have been savvy enough not to blurt crap like that on IG.

'yeah, all that talk about murdering jews? just a youthful indiscretion, I don't feel that way anymore..'

Well he could run as a Republican

he could be trump's VP.

Aw, Shakey thought you’d empathize more with someone caught out for saying stupid and abhorrent things online.

I can't remember exactly, but it was something he said a while ago I think in a thread about 'me too', maybe a thread he started? don't know, but the reaction to it was over-the-top ilx hate

It was under a screen name something like outic, which I cannot search for

he is the kind of valuable poster that ilx should not have chased away

I apologize to you all for lashing out but the gall of this motherfucker - who has a 20+ year history of minimizing anti-semitism on ILX and I can point to the posts where he consistently did so - coming on here and trotting it out yet again and then trying his usual tactic of resorting to bullshit ad hominem attacks on me when called on it is too much. Bye everybody!

No apology needed, sorry to see you go :(

By that he means I said 'RFK Jr openly courts Nazis, I don't need to divine hidden messages from tweets,' which I completely stand by and have no idea how agreeing that RFK Jr is at best happy to get down with Nazis is minimizing anti-Semitism but ok. Not really a fan of conspiratorial mind palace creation whether it's that stuff or Pelosi chalking up pro-Palestine protests to Chinese agitation.

(also xxp - both)

I'm pretty sure that's not what he means, milo

It is, though. That was when he got big mad and accused me of minimizing it before, which was completely incomprehensible then and now, aside from the fact I dared disagree with him about a tweet by a lunatic.

Nor am I minimizing anti-Semitism here - what this kid said is terrible and he should have to apologize and take a societal punishment for it (no Congressional career for you, unless you make this a MAGA conversion story and start grifting there). What he said should not, however, color anyone's attitude toward the college protest movement and we should be suspicious of the Times' motive. This has been the corporate media play with every protest movement of my life - Iraq War protests? Guess what, ANSWER are MAOISTS! Pick a "leader" from a random Occupy encampment and find something they said. Repeat with BLM. Attempts are made to discredit these decentralized movements by focusing on one or two people as if they're figureheads and motivating theorists.

Sure cool great yeah awesome. Maybe just don't post this (okay true) deflections of real anti-semitism in the anti-semitism thread?

And maybe don't keep a 18 year old post streak on rachael ray rapeplay gloating going either? Seems like you're more obsessed with it than Shakey with how much often you bring it up.

Fwiw while I regret my tone and insults earlier today this is what I meant— fuck this kid and his noxious views but we also know where the media will take this, because it’s been doing it for months. any sign of a some noxious antisemitic views show up near a pro-Palestine protest, the media chooses to emphasize and amplify this noxious viewpoint, thus disempowering the actual admirable aims of the protest movement: ceasefire, divestment, and a liberated Palestinian people. this happens over and over and over again with protest in the US, i have seen it throughout my life, and i simply become furious both that some bad actors can taint something noble so easily and that the mainstream media can hold so much sway as to essentially destroy a movement.

Like there are Jewish posters in this thread, and on this board who are reading this. Doesn't matter how true what you're saying is. The truth of real life (not internet) hurt this rhetoric can stir for normal, non genocidal jewish people is also true, and far more relevant in this thread. Go post your good ideas and opinoins to the US politics or something

Fair table, and sorry to speak this as a non-jewish person in this thread (please correct me if I speak for no one), but this is the kind of place where those qualifications at the start of that post are important. Without them, the rest of the post seems dismissal of real violence, and even with them, it's questionable if this is the place for it you know?

I dunno, I shouldn't be thread policing, people can post what they want. But I do want to underline, whereas qualifications of "the guy is an asshole idiot and did a dumb thing" might appear obvious to some, they're still important to say if you want to get a message across. Especially to the people implicated in this blokes idiotic speech

Shakes should not follow me around being a malicious dick if he doesn’t want to be reminded of things he’s actually done (not just Rachael Ray). I ignore his aggro hardman schtick pretty easily unless he starts something.

good to know because, uh, now we'll be aware of it. thanks for the heads up

I hate it when people start shit by asking me not to diminish anti-semitism in the anti-semitism thread >:(

Again dude, what you said isn't wrong, just find another thread hey? This one is called "is this anti-semitism". The response to that question re: this particular kid is... Yes! Sure, post your "but:, just maybe don't accuse a jew of being a rape apologist for an internet post 18 years ago in the process?

And lol at the idea of "Shakey's following me around!" as if the last time you posted in this thread before Shakey showed up wasn't last year.

This Erwin Chemerinksy thing seems not good.

I can’t for the life of me see how lobbing toxic, antisemitic messages and cartoons the way of a celebrated, and progressive, legal scholar advances the cause of the left or focuses attention on the awful acts carried out by the IDF in Gaza.

https://www.thenation.com/article/activism/berkeley-erwin-chemerinsky/tnamp/

they banned that kid from the campus. just saw a thing on cnn about him.

Defending Melanchon: Is this anti-semitism?
Defending Jamie Foxx:
Is this anti-semitism?
Lamenting being unable to use the word Zionist: Is this anti-semitism?
Defending the use of "from the river to the sea": Anti-semitism thread: onwards from 2023
Arguing that VICE magazine's promotion of white power folk duo Prussian Blue was no big deal: PRUSSIAN BLUE - White Power Folk Duo.... of 12-year-old twin sisters...

Again dude, what you said isn't wrong, just find another thread hey? This one is called "is this anti-semitism".

And multiple posters were discussing the Times article and the quality of the Times, which is also what I did. I was neither the first nor the last, so why are you pretending I was?

if the last time you posted in this thread before Shakey showed up wasn't last year.

Did I respond to him? No. I ignore him, unless he starts being a dick to me. It's very easy, I have no interest in interacting with him. But when he accuses me of being sympathetic to anti-Semitism, that merits a response. Just as everyone else would respond.

just maybe don't accuse a jew of being

I have no idea about his religion or religious background, nor did I accuse him of anything but making some bad and abhorrent statements. His last vacation from ILX was because people who weren't me took him to task for starting this thread - True or False: Every sexual assault accusation must be believed

You're remarkably consistent over the years with telling Jews that "thats not really antisemitism" (often caveating it with "something else going on here is more important"). You prefer to deflect rather than cop
To this. Get fucked.

Lamenting being unable to use the word Zionist

Defending the use of "from the river to the sea"

But yes, I'll glady stand by the statement that equating "from the river to the sea" to "calling for intifada against Jews" is in bad faith, trying to equate Palestinian statehood with genocide of Jewish people in the midst of an ongoing genocide being perpetrated against Palestinians.

could you both take this somewhere else?

xp milo

1. pretending nothing. I agree with your first post. I thought it was a good point. But Shakey is right to take it in bad faith if you're on recent record defending that Jamie Foxx insta and that Melanchon statement.

2. fair. But moving on is also an option

3. he stated it, directly above. Sometimes its better to listen than talk.

4. Fair points re: unable to use zionist and river to the sea. But lets move on. We've all posted muck on the internet. No need to roll in it

But Shakey is right to take it in bad faith if you're on recent record defending that Jamie Foxx insta and that Melanchon statement.

Did you follow those links? That's not what happened in either case - but yes, I'm done. Shakes's translation of my discomfort with WASPs using Zionist as "lamenting" that I don't get to say it shows what he's all about, it was nice of him to clear it up. I will continue ignoring him in general, should he choose to be an aggro dick for no reason again in the future will I be the bigger person and ignore it? Probably not.

Fair, maybe just drop the 18yo bit next time (I'm not sarcastic scolding)

So hopefully this is... IDK, hopefully not too heavy. I was passing by the "progressive" Lutheran church on my way back from physical therapy today. Last week they were advertising "Drag Church". That kind of a place. I almost prefer the place up the road with the classic Erma Bombeck style signs - this week's is "Mothers don't sleep, they just worry with their eyes closed." Bleak, Central Christian. Really bleak. Well, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they don't have regular PTSD nightmares.

ANYWAY! This week the Drag Lutherans' sign says "Religion Hurt Jesus Too". See, that's the thing... just like the Central Christian sign, I genuinely am not sure they thought through the implications of what they were saying. Like, I'm pretty sure the intended reading here is "We get it, we have religious trauma too" and not "Yeah well the Jews killed Jesus". But uh. There are a HELL of a lot of people who are still really strongly invested in the latter statement.

it would never occur to me to read it the second way

as a Jew I don't know all that much about what Jesus was up to so I can't adequately comment on what that could possibly mean but I can't fathom it meaning that second thing

Yeah, the entire basis of Christianity is Christ’s suffering, and the reason behind the suffering was religious (failure to denounce god or accept Roman gods or whatever)