Yeah the "uncommitted" movement was smart and I think effective to whatever degree it could be. It was a good way to throw rocks at the window, it got some attention.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 2 May 2024 03:23 (two months ago) link
And this is more than rocks at a window, it's inside the house.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/college-democrats-of-america-statement-biden-gaza-campus-protest_n_663278fce4b0849b2edded55
Now this is crazy. You never see this shit. They really fucked it https://t.co/V2VXQBrllS— Sam Adler-Bell (@SamAdlerBell) May 2, 2024
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 2 May 2024 05:04 (two months ago) link
this is legit how all of you sound to me, fwiw
― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Thursday, 2 May 2024 bookmarkflaglink
Avg ilxor age: 60
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 2 May 2024 07:53 (two months ago) link
We’re worried about our Social Security
― Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Thursday, 2 May 2024 10:43 (two months ago) link
You think the overwhelmingly Dem-voting Jewish population is going to abandon Biden if he refuses to continue arming Israel?
A surprisingly large percentage would, yes.
― il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Thursday, 2 May 2024 11:51 (two months ago) link
Look what happened to the Labour Party in the UK after Ed Miliband (who is Jewish) criticized Israel's 2014 campaign in Gaza. Follow that up with Corbyn and I think at one point support for the Labour Party in the Jewish community was at 9% and the Tories 81%.
― I've left the box of soup near your shoes (Tom D.), Thursday, 2 May 2024 12:02 (two months ago) link
He made it Labour policy to recognise Palestine in 2014 and Maureen Lipman went apeshit.
― steely flan (suzy), Thursday, 2 May 2024 12:35 (two months ago) link
And hasn't stopped going apeshit ever since.
― I've left the box of soup near your shoes (Tom D.), Thursday, 2 May 2024 12:45 (two months ago) link
I feel like there's a path of conditional support (you can do this but not that would thread an electoral needle, so to speak, but maybe not. Even if there isn't, it seems surprising they haven't at least looked for it
― anvil, Thursday, 2 May 2024 13:01 (two months ago) link
Missing closing bracket there, should be (you can do this but not that),
― anvil, Thursday, 2 May 2024 13:02 (two months ago) link
My comment not whether it should be done (obviously it should), but it is just as likely lead to MORE arms going to Israel under the next (Republican) administration.
― il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Thursday, 2 May 2024 13:05 (two months ago) link
*to* lead
more on the assault at UCLA, which was the culmination of several nights of harassment and abuse:
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2024-05-01/inside-ucla-pro-palestinian-encampment-on-night-of-violence
Soon after protesters, most of them students at the Westwood campus, pitched tents on Dickson Court on April 25, pro-Israel counterdemonstrators showed up with megaphones. Some shouted racist, homophobic and anti-Islamic slurs, according to campers interviewed.They set up a giant video screen near the camp that played and replayed videos of Hamas militants. They broadcast a running torrent of loud, disturbing sounds over a stereo — an eagle screeching, a child crying — and blasted a Hebrew rendition of the song “Baby Shark” on repeat, late at night, so that campers could not sleep.They returned night after night.
They set up a giant video screen near the camp that played and replayed videos of Hamas militants. They broadcast a running torrent of loud, disturbing sounds over a stereo — an eagle screeching, a child crying — and blasted a Hebrew rendition of the song “Baby Shark” on repeat, late at night, so that campers could not sleep.
They returned night after night.
This article is tabloid-y trash, but I hope better reporting on how this group is organized comes out: https://www.thedailybeast.com/jessica-seinfeld-and-bill-ackman-fund-pro-israel-counterprotests-at-ucla
― rob, Thursday, 2 May 2024 13:23 (two months ago) link
I think Trump is going to loudly signal that he will be much worse which could bring a lot of those voters back in the end
Is this issue not one where Trump's anti-globalist, ultra-isolationist rhetoric actually presents an at least functionally "no static" brighter side alternative for voters like the ones in that college dems tweet? Worth remembering that, in the now moment, he's already starting to moderate his tone on abortion.
― Rich E. (Eric H.), Thursday, 2 May 2024 13:29 (two months ago) link
OTOH not sure why the fascist mob bothered, when the cops are on their side: https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/05/02/nyregion/ucla-protests-college-campus?unlocked_article_code=1.o00.Dkds.3bezcvmCB91u&smid=url-share
― rob, Thursday, 2 May 2024 13:33 (two months ago) link
he's essentially been wondering out loud why Netinyahu hasn't simply murdered all the Palestinians while him and the rest of the GOP are working on bills which make it legal to murder protestors. if it was indeed a "we're gonna stay out of it" that would be one thing, but alas
also kinda doubt he's "moderating his tone" on abortion, think its more that its an issue he doesn't really care about and just says whatever he thinks people want to hear. when he's speaking at the convention he'll probably start talking about punishing women again
― frogbs, Thursday, 2 May 2024 13:37 (two months ago) link
it's not insignificant, but otoh the College Democrats had zero influence on my vote when I was in college
― c u (crüt), Thursday, 2 May 2024 13:40 (two months ago) link
College Dems were just seen as a bunch of lame hacks who wanted capitol hill internships. No one really took them seriously as any kind of influence on campus. I don't even think they were that big or active.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 2 May 2024 13:41 (two months ago) link
X13 Tom D. I don't think you can compare the US and Britain in this case. My understanding was the vast majority of British Jews are Orthodox, many with family ties in Israel, while the US Jewish population is majority reform-to-secular with no familial ties to Israel.
― Are you addicted to struggling with your horse? (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 2 May 2024 13:43 (two months ago) link
Yeah I don't think College Dems have much influence on peers, but they mean something within the party. Mostly treated as an afterthought, of course, but as that tweet notes it's super unusual for them to ever challenge the party leadership. They're generally there to start building political resumes and move up the ranks, not piss off the party bosses.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 2 May 2024 13:44 (two months ago) link
As with the "uncommitted" vote, sure, the political leadership can just kind of shrug it off as insignificant. But these things add up.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 2 May 2024 13:45 (two months ago) link
The vast majority of British Jews are not orthodox. Wikipedia says 42.8% - but even that seems high to me. Also a lot of the stricter Orthodox Jews don't vote at all.
― I've left the box of soup near your shoes (Tom D.), Thursday, 2 May 2024 13:47 (two months ago) link
college democrats are usually the hackiest partisans of all hacky partisans. they aren’t an influential organization or anything, but the fact that even they are frustrated is a bad sign for biden's youth support
― the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Thursday, 2 May 2024 13:51 (two months ago) link
The fact is that traditionally the Jewish community in the UK was left/ progressive leaning - in terms of voting patterns - and now it overwhelmingly votes Conservative. There are various reasons for that, of course, but the slide accelerated because of a change in the Labour Party's attitude to Israel and Palestine.
― I've left the box of soup near your shoes (Tom D.), Thursday, 2 May 2024 13:52 (two months ago) link
he has also said that he would completely halt the resettlement of palestinian refugees in the states and would deport any non-citizen supporting “pro-hamas” views
― the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Thursday, 2 May 2024 13:53 (two months ago) link
can a mod add "US Politics:" to the beginning of every ile thread please?
(I'm kidding but y'all can be kind of exhausting with this and we got 6 more months to go)
― rob, Thursday, 2 May 2024 14:01 (two months ago) link
US is an other countries as per thread title
― G. D’Arcy Cheesewright (silby), Thursday, 2 May 2024 14:08 (two months ago) link
We’d probably stop talking about it it tabes and milo promised to vote for Biden
Anyway unfortunately as you are probably aware, #onethread
― G. D’Arcy Cheesewright (silby), Thursday, 2 May 2024 14:11 (two months ago) link
we should have put #onethread to a vote, this borad is fascist!
― rob, Thursday, 2 May 2024 14:13 (two months ago) link
Abandon as in majority vote GOP? No. But does the GOP see an opportunity to make voting Dem less default for Jewish voters? Absolutely -- otherwise why would they be hammering the idea that "our nation's top colleges are antisemitic cesspools" so hard? It is most certainly not because they care about the well-being of Jews in America or elsewhere in the world.
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 2 May 2024 14:17 (two months ago) link
― Rich E. (Eric H.), Thursday, May 2, 2024 9:29 AM (forty-eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
I think we had a version of this conversation in December 2016.
― the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 2 May 2024 14:20 (two months ago) link
genuine lol
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 2 May 2024 14:36 (two months ago) link
seems like it's been majority Conservative-voting for a long time:
https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/how-british-jews-vote-and-why-they-vote-this-way/
Overwhelmingly, British Jews support the Conservative party. Which means that their political predisposition is centre-right. This taste for the conservative side of the British political spectrum has been with us for many years now, a quarter of a century at least. A study of the British Jewish political attitudes conducted in the mid-1990s produced these most unambiguous results: when asked about their voting intentions, 45% of British Jews said that they would support the Conservative party, 41% preferred the Labour party and 14% – the Liberal Democrats. Arguably, the preference for the Conservative party was far from overwhelming then, but consider the contrast with the general population of Britain at that time: only 29% supported the Conservatives and 57% preferred the Labour party. This was before any controversies concerning to the presence of the antizionist or antisemitic elements on the British Left, and in the Labour party in particular, developed.
― symsymsym, Thursday, 2 May 2024 14:49 (two months ago) link
I think the UK doesn't track exit poll data, so it's hard to know for sure. but it's nothing like the historical association between American Jews and the Democratic Party
― symsymsym, Thursday, 2 May 2024 14:51 (two months ago) link
(xps) Alfred otm. Say what you will about the naivete of college students, but they have developed the necessary brain functions (object permanence etc) to understand that Donald J. Trump will not actually disentangle U.S. and Israeli military and strategic interests, a thing that would require a lot of hard work and would not make him any richer
― The king of the demo (bernard snowy), Thursday, 2 May 2024 15:02 (two months ago) link
My students distrust Biden but loathe Trump and Trumpism with every breath. Remember: in my non-trad public university many students live at home with their MAGA families.
― the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 2 May 2024 16:00 (two months ago) link
saw this retweeted, as I said above.
These "rubber bullets" now maiming students protesting for Gaza in US cities were first pioneered by the British Army in Northern Ireland during the so-called "Troubles." They ki!!ed 17 civilians. 8 of them were children under 16. None were armed.Birds of a colonial feather. https://t.co/k44EqxDRiT pic.twitter.com/yqsdpUFaw2— Friendly Neighborhood Comrade (@SpiritofLenin) May 2, 2024
― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Thursday, 2 May 2024 17:01 (two months ago) link
The same lies that Trump would trot out, couched in nicer language.
Biden is now giving a completely one-sided, dishonest speech about these campus protests.“Dissent must never lead to disorder.” pic.twitter.com/fevNwImBAj— Read Let This Radicalize You (@JoshuaPHilll) May 2, 2024
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 2 May 2024 17:01 (two months ago) link
saw this retweeted, as I said above.🐦[These "rubber bullets" now maiming students protesting for Gaza in US cities were first pioneered by the British Army in Northern Ireland during the so-called "Troubles." They ki!!ed 17 civilians. 8 of them were children under 16. None were armed.
― sarahell, Thursday, 2 May 2024 17:07 (two months ago) link
but-but xyzzzz__ wtf would you or I know about living in countries where abortion access is illegal or violent institutional racism 🙄 clearly more condescension will work
― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Thursday, 2 May 2024 17:14 (two months ago) link
*exists!
― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Thursday, 2 May 2024 17:17 (two months ago) link
I medic’ed a dude who was shot with one by pigs during one of the Oakland Commune sieges in 2011, fwiw. This man’s leg had been broken. We had to drag him to safety and get him to a medic car, saw him again a few weeks later and he bought us a beer. Rubber bullets are fucked
― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Thursday, 2 May 2024 18:36 (two months ago) link
Also fuck Joe Biden
― sarahell, Thursday, 2 May 2024 18:37 (two months ago) link
Honestly I am more interested in hearing from non-US posters about events/issues where they live than debating the upcoming presidential election in yet another thread
― sarahell, Thursday, 2 May 2024 18:38 (two months ago) link
otm
― the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 2 May 2024 18:40 (two months ago) link
I just walked by a group of counter-protesters wrapped in Israeli flags and could hear one of them say, "They're a bunch of followers. It's just like with Covid."
― Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Thursday, 2 May 2024 18:41 (two months ago) link
We must restore order: https://www.thecity.nyc/2024/05/02/nypd-officer-fired-gun-columbia-hamilton-hall-raid/
― rob, Thursday, 2 May 2024 23:14 (two months ago) link
Cop probably dropped a gun they were going to plant on a protester.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 2 May 2024 23:19 (two months ago) link